with the years of drone strikes, and we also, by the way, heard the former director of the cia, leon pennettamilar thing at his confirmation hearing. the thing we have to be caution of is it's a little dangerous, the minute you say that you encourage affiliates like al qaeda and the iranian pennsylvania to attempt a big attack to prove you wrong. i do think they are severely weakened. i think it's true they are on the brink of collapse, but it's early to say that, though. >> does it mean there is less of a terrorists threats to americans? >> well, they are no less determined. they do seem less capable of being able to pull off a successful attack, and that has to do with intelligence and drones, and the whole tool kit of things we use to defeat them. >> fran, where are the heavy hitters, the al qaeda leaders? where do we have to be concerned about most? >> no question most people now have heard of al locky, and as long as there is chaos in saudi arabia, and we believe that the somali al qaeda affiliates are working with those in yemen, and that poses a threat. as we drawdown in afghanistan, w