rhodes and leona b. carpenter foundation and the charles a. frueauff foundation. >> this week on "to the contrary" first, is the president paying his female staff fairly? then, new research finds microcredit is not the magic wand it's been touted as to reduce poverty. behind the headlines: are online hackers anonymous helping or hurting women's causes? >> hello, i'm bonnie erbe. welcome to "to the contrary," a discussion of news and social trends from diverse perspectives. up first, the white house pay gap. does president obama practice what he preaches? former hp president and republican presidential candidate carly fiorina reignited that pay equity debate this week. fiorina confronted obama senior adviser valerie jarrett charging that the president is "not paying women equally, by his own measures in his own white house." jarrett refuted the charge saying white house women staffers are paid equally. they're both sort of right. according to white house salary data released last july, the average male staffer earns just more than $88,000 per y