we're hearing from leonard padilla from one of your staff members, right, tracy mclaughlin? >> that's correct. >> tell me about her access to casey. how much time did she spend with her? >> she spent i believe exactly nine days from the time she was bonded out until the time she went back into custody. to clear something up, tracy doesn't work for me. she has worked with me for many years. her ex-husband was an associate of mine and we've known each foreabo other for about 25 years. >> did she have the most access to casey of anybody working with you on the case? >> that's correct. she had the most. next in line would have been rob. >> all right. let's listen to some of it. this is tracy mclaughlin talking to investigators as casey saw herself on the tv news, listen to this reaction and listen to what tracy says about casey. >> she's talking about herself and the news. she just talks about stupid things. she didn't talk about caylee at all. she didn't talk about the case. but the night after, i mean, it was just -- >> what was she saying about herself? >> i think i should si

joining us to talk about this, florida state prosecutor pam bondi and bounty hunter, leonard padilla. they had access to casey. also joining us, latisha nance. all right. natisha, let's get the legal stuff out of the way to get to the recordings that are fascinating. the judge ruling the fraud trial goes before the murder trial? is that what happened here? natisha? okay. >> hi. >> go ahead. >> just able to hear you now. what was the question? i'm sorry. >> the fraud trial before the murder trial. a lot of us thought, nope, it has to go the other way around. >> the judge recently ruled that that fraud case will go before the murder trial. we don't know exactly when it's going to be but this is pretty significant meaning that casey anthony could potentially go into the murder trial with felony convictions already on the table. >> okay. pam bondi, help us understand this. we had legal experts come on and say murder trial has to go before the fraud trial here. >> no. i've never believed that was going to happen. >> okay. >> i totally agree with the prosecutors. here's why. when she testif

this is leonard padilla and tracy mac lachlan and the fbi.we had thousands and thousands of pages of discovery to come out. this is the tip of the iceberg. >> author of cyber liz, what do you mike of it. >> jesse grund didn't do this. she was the last one seen with the baby. she was the one who her mom turned in and now they are coming up with all this. by the way, the statements made should be in court. that attorney made that mistake a long time ago of letting the people live with her who didn't have the protections. >> let's stop and remember john style, 38, highlands ranch, colorado. studied at the college of denver and served marines. as a coldier, risked his life rescuing three fellow soldiers and lost his life after talking to his wife of eight years. leaves behind parents lynn and linda. sister natalie serving in the air force and brother charles serving in the army. grandparents maxine and kenny and widow lana. jon styles, american hero. a special good night from georgia, tennessee and south carolina friends of the show. martha, kath

leonard padilla, you have hinted to a lot of this throughout the many times you've been on our show,t you've never come out and told us exactly what happened until now. because police had interviewed you. the fbi had interviewed you about all this. it's actually more disturbing than you ever intimated. >> well, a lot of the conversations that tracy's talking about i never questioned -- i never discussed with her. every now and then myself and her, rob, tony, we'd talk about things, but we never really discussed it in depth as to what i said to the fbi, what i was privy to. what rob said. when i heard the conversations the other day when they were released is the first time i'd ever had a full knowledge of what rob's interviews were about and what tracy's interviews were about. so it's just as disturbing to me to hear some of the things that tracy is now saying as it is to the public. >> it really is. i want to go to bill schaefer, defense attorney, wftv legal analyst, who has been in court @ today. bill schaefer, what's also disturbing is that just out of the blue when she's having t

leonard padilla, also robert dick.eyond that, we've had thousands and thousands of pages of discovery to come out. >> john, what do you make of it? >> everything points to her. she was the last one, the baby. she was the one who her mom turned in. and the statements should be in court. that attorney made that mistake a long time ago of letting those people live with her who didn't have attorney client privilege productions. >>> let's stop and remember john stils. rescued three fellow soldiers in his tour. lost his wife one day after talking to his wife of eight years. loves rivers around colorado. leaves behind his parents, sister serving the air force and brother, serving the army. widow. american hero. thanks to our guests, but especially to you for being with us. a special good night to georgia, tennessee, friends of the joe. aren't they beautiful? everyone, i'll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp eastern. until then, good night, friend. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >>> coming up next, horrifying new inform

she worked with leonard padilla. padilla bailed casey anthony out of jail.claughlin has access to casey anthony. here she is talking about casey anthony as casey is watching news coverage of the case and the news coverage is talking about evidence in the case. listen to what casey anthony is saying via tracy mclaughlin. >> she walks out. i said there is signs of decomposition. she said, i know, i'm trying to keep lee and casey away from the tv. i'm shaking. by the time i walk in the bedroom she is in there with the news on. yeah, something came up. yeah the samples came back. she said a lot of people had access to that car. >> wow. let's get this on two fronts. michelle, again, nothing about caylee, but immediately covering her own rear. talking about air samples that others had access. that is stunning, isn't it? >> again, i think what has been clear is how it appears narcissistic casey is. and again, you can see again her own self-interest and really that's the whole question of what may have happened to caylee, right? is about not being useful and inimped

keep in mind recently when the reports were released from leonard padilla and his team -- when that report came out about the hair in the trunk of the care casey anthony said, well, i'm not dead even more evidence pointing this could be caylee anthony whose hair cause found in the trunk of the car. >> pam, the outline of a child in the trunk of that car, it would seem to be a boon for the prosecution. help us out here. >> very, very, very compelling, of course, especially a jury will be shown all these photographs. now, they may have to come to their own conclusions, each junior, as to what they believe that outline shows. and, as mike said, a supervisor said this is speculative. so, i imagine there are going to be plenty of pretile motions on that issue as to how much the prosecutors can argue. but, jurors are going to see that photo. so they are going to make that determination. the hair, of course, little casey's hair -- little caylee's hair, excuse me, is very compelling because they are saying it's consistent with a decomposing body. >> right. >> remember we talked about that hair wit

. >> i want to go now to leonard padilla, bounty hunter, included in many of the anthony family private investigator notes, as you recall. he first bailed tot mom out. he's joining us via skype from sacramento, california, where he is a bounty hunter. leonard, thank you for being with us. what do you make of all this? especially the silhouette in the car that looks like a child in the fetal position and this recent photo that cindy anthony is having private investigators investigate that it's a living caylee in puerto rico. >> well, if you were to believe cindy thinks you have to do away with all the forensics and the studies done at the body farm and the fbi lab in quantico. as far as the stain or the indentation in the trunk of a child in the fetal position, that first came up the very first night that we met with george and cindy. they said there was a stain in the car that the cops were alluding to being something -- decomposition, but it was there when we bought the car for lee years ago. however, the -- it doesn't flezly haflez necessarily have to be a stain. it could be an indent

. >> i want to go now to leonard padilla, bounty hunter, included in many of the anthony family privates, as you recall. he first bailed tot mom out. then came off the bail. he's joining us via skype from sacramento, california, where he is a bounty hunter. leonard, thank you for being with us. what do you make of all this? especially the silhouette in the car that looks like a child in a fetal position and this recent photo that cindy anthony is having private investigators investigate that it's a living caylee in puerto rico? >> well, if you were to believe cindy thinks that you would have to do away with all of the forensics and all of the studies that were done at the body farm and the fbi lab in quantico. as far as the stain or the indentation in the trunk of a child in the fetal position, that first came up the very first night that we met with george and cindy. they said there was a stain in the car that the cops were alluding to being something -- decomposition, but it was there when we bought the car for lee years ago. however, the -- it doesn't necessarily have to be a stain.

one was leonard padilla, bondsman. it gives his background, his picture. robert dick, hoover, nancy grace is on here. another a reporter for wftv. reason -- reporter. disseminates hatred towards family. nancy grace, talk show host, disseminates hatred toward family. >> there's a lot that came out today. >> there's a lot that came out today. we'll be talking more about this, i'm sure. >> thank you, hln law enforcement analyst mike brooks, thank you. >>> another story, it touched a lot of you, one of the suspects accused of killing a chicago honor student has admitted to jumping on the boy's head while he was lying on the ground. that's from the state's attorney. four teenagers have now been charged with first degree murder in this gruesome death. one of them is a juvenile. that's why we're not showing his face. we're waiting for a news conference that's supposed to happen at any moment from authorities in chicago. 16-year-old derrion albert was beaten to death after being hit over the head. >> right now, we're not saying that this is a gang-related incident

we're talking to leonard padilla, the guy that bailed her out, his people i.e. as expected, it was all about her. we'll take your questions. 1- 77-tell-hln is the number. we'll continue to follow the jaycee dugard case. and we're hearing more about phillip garroid and how he so mettic owsley planned the kidnapping and rape in 1976 and the compound. we'll update you on the football coach charged in the death of one of his players facing reckless homicide charges. we are hearing from that young man's cad. so we'll have more coming up. >> a lot on the line that's really sad. >> yeah. >> thank you, mike. just hang with me here, big foot, maybe he's eaten his way through jefferson county, kentucky. a longtime resident thinks he's focusing on his vegetable garden. you have camera, proof maybe? our affiliate gives us a closer look. >> a lot of wildlife and territory around here. >> reporter: kenny mahoney has lived here his whole life and knows the people, knows the land -- >> you see, no problem. >> reporter: certainly the animals, which makes it odd his garden wasn't