boy's life" i is a coming of age story in which you start off as yourself as you end up as leonardleonardo dicaprio>> why do you -- why do you think this is a great novel and why do you think it talks to our kids? >> well, i would say to begin with that i wish it weren't taught to the kids, because -- >> stephen: amen. >> part of the experience of finding that novel for myself was that i felt like i was being subversive when i was reading it, because here is a book that was really calling the adult world as i saw it then, a nest of hypocrisy, and phoniness, and that is something you want to discover on your own. you don't want your english teacher to be introducing you to the hypocrisy of adults. and so, you know, i still remember the night i read it. i was in a play, and i kept missing my -- because i was reading this book and laughing so hard, so in his thrall and i think when you discover the book in that way, it stays with you in that way the rest of your life. you read it later, right? >> stephen: i didn't read it. it was assigned in tenth grade, and, you know, i think i get holden caulfield b