david leonhardt joins me now and i'm please to do have him back at this table. welcome. people are looking at what happened here and the surprises d pollsters, pundits, press fail or simply did things happen that made this impossible to accurately entertain. >> i think this is an important moment for self reflection from everyone, from journalists and pollsters. the interesting thing to say here is everyone missed this. if you remember back in 2012 people close to mitt romney thought he was going to win. >> rose: including mitt romney. >> including mitt romney. had he won i think it would have been important for democrats and people in the media to be self reflective why the romney campaign was right and they were wrong. this was different. trump himself expected to lose. the republican national committee expected to lose. hillary clinton expected to win. there was no media source out there saying look, the polls show that he's ahead. >> rose: you kept asking how large is it, we asked the question often how large is the trump vote. is there a hidden vote. we asked those

david leonhardt of the new york times joins me now. i am pleased to have our guest back. welcome.avid: thank you. charlie: many people are looking at what happened here and the surprises of this election. did pollsters, pundits, press fail or simply that things happened that made this impossible to accurately ascertain? david: i think this is an important moment for self-reflection from everyone. i mean, from journalists, pollsters, people who analyze polls, strategists. i think the thing to say here is everyone missed this. if you remember back in 2012, a lot of people close to mitt romney thought he was going to win. charlie: including mitt romney. including -- david: including mitt romney. and had he won, i think it would have been important for democrats and people in the media to really be self-reflective about why the romney campaign was right and they were wrong. this was different. trump himself expected to lose. the republican national committee expected to lose. hillary clinton expected to win. there was no media source out there saying, look, the polls show he's ahead.