michael leonicio, wanted to interchange the use of deadly force, when an ecd can only be utilized in those situations. for example, when a person is threatening suicide, an ecd could cause death or serious injury to that person. >> can i clarify section five? i thought there was also comments in section five that we got letters from saying protection -- we're just special considerations, right? >> yes. >> so i thought we got letters from a d, if the subject appears to be a child, which under the law is 14 years old, the letters request that we stay under the age of 18. is that also part of this discussion or is that going to be separate? >> not according to the process outlined for the paths of your discussion. that was actually taken up in the working group, consensus was met. i think it was president turman that was chairing that meeting, we decided that. >> and that also would be true for that special consideration i, number g, g where it talks about when the officer has credible information that the person suffers from serious mental condition, schizophrenia is not include index