hearings almost immediately after john's testimony, where two more people had to testify, because leonid brezhnev, the premier of the soviet union was coming to the united states, big date, hot meeting and you couldn't have watergate going on during that period. well, this gave us a little bit of a reprieve. a little respite. just before that, we said, this is not the way to investigate. i'm serious when i say the law, the criminal process in particular, but even the law when it applied to, in the senate context. you can't just go around questioning people under oath. you're not going to get the truth. you have to go work around the edges. one of the things we found out, there were all of these invisible people in the white house, and the invisible people to some extent were the lower level staff but particularly women. we didn't have any women professional staff members at the time. the white house didn't have very many, scarlett hills, i can't leeb th remember who they might have had. >> the secretarial staff. >> the secretarial staff. talk about sexism, like the remarks made last night. it was