and if the poles have it, it might be good that oleg walesa was not a red director, just as leonid danylovych was not ideological or secretary central committee of the communist party of ukraine, he did not really understand economics and gave it to the same lesha kovaltserovych and other economists who did it, and leonid danylevich , especially 90, was a typical red director, he understood how all this would end from the point of view he did not perceive and understand the red director, that is why we had such a chance to carry out and live as in poland, but the political will of the then leadership was unfortunately not enough, unfortunately , we did not have a wise elite at that time. people were not ready, did not want to understand. why is this, after all, market mechanisms in poland? there is a private owner , even in cut-out forms, but they still had it. it started in 1946 or even 1949. the decommunists finally took power. and in unfortunately, since 18 years ago, we even understand. i would, although i remember how my grandmother used to tell me that our gardens used to be there, you

dany leonid danylovych kuchma, on these tapes, the words, well, kuchma, which he said that he will expose, take him away, obscene language, give it to the chechens, let them ask for a ransom , do you remember this key phrase? well, then of course, all the arrows went against kuchma, but everything is not so clear-cut in this story, we will talk today with people who definitely know more, and we are joining the conversation now roman shingle to the editor-in-chief of the magazine, the liberation struggle p. roman, i wish you a good day. well, also literally from the minute for a minute we will invite you to a conversation , he told that who is the editor-in-chief of the den newspaper and that it was the den newspaper, the editor of the den publishing house , at one time worked for a long time together with journalists ivanov simvon and published a book which was called the boiler, and there is a big book about the case and all the circumstances of the case of georgy gongadze p. roman today passes, well, in fact , it was the day before yesterday, but these days it has been 23 years since ge