later, what can be the details on this topic, we will talk with two of our experts - this is leonid polyakovntly an adviser to the director of the national institute for strategic studies and in the past was the deputy minister of defense of ukraine, and anatoly mikhnenko, a defect-express expert, a specialist in of defense technologies, mr. leonid, i congratulate you. good evening, mr. serhiy, do you have an understanding? given your previous position and other positions, what is ukraine's primary need now to strengthen defense technologies possibilities and what can end with the rammstein defense ministers' meeting, we must remember that despite our hopes for a counteroffensive and the unconditional need for offensive weapons, we should not forget about anti-aircraft defense, about anti-missile defense, that is, means of defense without the harmonious use of means of offensive and means of defense there is always a risk that everything will not go according to plan, so it is quite difficult to guess here, we can also talk about what we can get against ship missiles with a longer range, we

russia and the european one, i.e. comments to our viewers, i will remind our viewers that it was leonid polyakov , advisor to the director of the national institute of strategic studies, and anton mikhnenko, an expert of the defense express company vasyl, i pass the word to you because you still have a lot of interesting information for our viewers. the situation in the war, he is the editor-in- chief of defense express and the host of the day's military summaries regarding the destruction of hummers by the russians and all those who fight in this russian army means they really like to create such heroes , as it was during the second world war, there was a feat of gastello, then it turned out that it was not a feat of gastello and not a feat, eh. that means, eh, the zheleznyak subway. well, plus there are partisans of heroes. well, there were many heroes who needed general karbyshev had a lot of exploits and now they are trying to multiply these sub-exploits as well. let's go. well, there were 23 panfilovs, so that it turned out later that 23 were not panfilovs, well, it doesn't matter, but they