kyle: now, leonid reshetnikov was a general in the kgb. he now purported to be retired, but mr.re's no such thing as a retired kgb officer. now, that's the context, it seems to me, in which one should view what we're seeing in australia, the prosecution of that information war in australia, clearly designed to try to g the australian government to change its policies towards reforming those policies so that they would be perceived as serving russia's interests and not being hostile to russia. alexey: we need to recognize that russia doesn't look at australia as a friendly country. russia looks at australia thugh the prism of our security and defense alliance with the united states. by ignoring russia's weight, russia's influence, and russia's international status, we allow ourselves to be caught off guard every time russia can pull the card out of its sleeve and wants to play a game against australia. sean: russia's interest in australia is not just political. australia has become an attractive destination for large sums of russian cash. sean: four corners has been working with

simes and lieutenant general former director of the russian institute for strategic studies leonid reshetnikovmitry leonid petrovich good evening good evening dmitry well, i want to start from the third moment, which i have highlighted, uh, from the fact that one thing is said and another is done. that's really one of the important features of this conflict is very large. i would say in many ways a total lie, and we hear it not only from the kiev regime. there it’s just, uh, what is called without illusion, but even on the part of the united states and nato on very many issues not only in the supply of arms trust is simply undermined completely, as in this situation, in your opinion. you can, in principle, agree on something, well, dmitry has a good saying that the first victim of the war is true, i think the general will agree with me that, in general, when you are fighting, share all information with the enemy. this is not a sign of wisdom, and of course, there is conscious misinformation, quite, if we say so, it is customary during the war, when you want to give the impression that you woul