as les abend pointed out, les abend said that there is -- if you are in some sort of catastrophic situationmergency, right, and this particular plane you said had just been given new frequencies, that may explain the lack of communication if there was, indeed, a lack of communication. they may have been trying. >> they may have been trying. but they were handed off to ho chi minh city. which is on the en route chart, everybody knows. it's 1:20 decibal 9. that's the frequency they were given. i'm sure it sounded like the information was all on board. all right. good night. dialed in the frequency. maybe attempted to contact them. they may know in that area, i'm not familiar, i've never flown in that area of the world. they may know it'll take a few minutes to get ahold of ho chi minh center. >> miles o'brien, you make the same point. if they had just been handed over a new frequency. i hope martin and mitchell are listening to this. because the point is, is that if you've just been handed over to a new frequency, you'd have to dial that frequency. right, guys? then, you know, there may not -

les abend making that point. a very good point, les abend.ill ripley, you have been not only reporting from there where the ocean shield is, but you have been reporting from pierce as well there are other assets searching as well, assets in the water and in the sky. and this is just one that they believe is the best option, one of the best options for locating the data recorders. >> yeah, absolutely. you know, you mentioned, you know, we had another ship just arrive. so now with the addition of the ocean shield in a few more days, i believe, according to our latest numbers, and the numbers are changing every day, that we're going to have eventually ten ships out there. more than a thousand people on those ships doing a visual search. because with all the technology that we have, the true heart and soul, the backbone of this operation are people looking with their eyes, with binoculars, scanning the water to see what kind of debris they can spot. in addition, that's also happening with the air search. sometimes there is ten planes. there have

so les abend is here, and captain abend, i'm sure that looks extraordinarily familiar to you as where marty and mitch are sitting. it doesn't make sense to me as a novice here that anybody would have some kind of a nefarious plan to hijack or take a plane off course for bad reasons and then actually fly established routes and established waypoints. if that's your intention, why are you following the super highways everyone else is on? >> well, i don't think -- it's not necessarily following the super highways. there's just one waypoint that if the information is correct that was entered. okay? and if i had, as i've asserted before, if i had an emergency situation, or some sort of abnormality that compelled me to want to return to base, i would want to enter in that airport or a diversionary airport. so it may have just been one point which if it was an airport, it would have been four -- a four-letter identifier is what we call it. and would have headed right for the airport. and would have been just as they demonstrated there, a direct point. >> as the "new york times" reports, the w

richard quest, david sousi and les abend. richard, the news today, the news just in the last several hours is now we've learned, confirmed of a final communication or attempt at communication made by this plane or what seems to be made by this plane. explain exactly what it is, a partial hand shake they're calling it. >> we've had six pings where they know the plane tried to connect to the satellite, and we know they were confirmed. and then there was the seventh, the partial ping. they couldn't say, and they were quite open about it, they couldn't say why, and they couldn't say the significance of it. today, they said that they don't believe this partial ping was done by human intervention. in other words, this last ping only eight minutes after the previous one -- >> 8:11 a.m. was believed to be the last communication from this aircraft. >> the sixth ping, yes. the sixth ping. then you have this partial one eight minutes later, 8:19. the significance is, no human intervention, so nobody has tried to switch it on to register

les abend. this information that nbc news has broken tonight that the change in direction was programmed into the computer at least 12 minutes before that final communication. how do you interpret it? again as in everything, there are multiple interpretations of this. >> i hate to use a common word we all seem to be using, but baffling. to me, 12 minutes prior indicates that maybe there wasn't a problem. but at the same token, it could have been programmed for maybe a -- being a waypoint and maybe it was a mistaken waypoint initially. >> let's run through the options here. at least 12 minutes before the final communication of good night which was a routine good night communication. so if there was some sort of incident on board, a fire on board for instance that they were changing direction in order to respond to this, you would think that they would then have made mention of it in that final communication. >> well, the only thing i can come up with on that is that they were looking at a nonseri

joining us two pilots who are both cnn aviation analysts, les abend and miles o'brien. does that make sense in any way that a suicide pilot or co-pilot would be involved in this? >> why do it in the middle of nowhere? it just doesn't make sense. i would have done it after takeoff. my understanding is that there's one of the world's biggest buildings and towers in kuala lumpur. why not do it going into beijing? >> miles, others would say perhaps you wanted to go to a deeper area, the waters in the gulf of thailand were very low. but pilot suicide as we talked about in that egyptair disaster off nantucket in the late '90s, that was shortly into the flight, correct? the malaysia airlines flight if the information is accurate, it went on for hours well off course. does that line up with the theory of suicide? >> if you look back at the egyptair 990 story, there was a lot of recriminations that were focused on the family of the first officer who was implicated by the ntsb on a suicide mission. of course the egyptians deny it all. so what we're talking about here is the possi

david souci is here, les abend, david gallo, now the director of special projects at the oceanographic institution. mary schiavo is here, representing accident victims and their families. les, the transcript of these communications, the 54 minutes, does anything jump out at you? again, there is some language issues, but you have to consider it was translated from english to mandarin to english. >> right. and it's a very abridged version. you don't get all the transmissions to other aircraft in between. so terminology we use is situational awareness. there's a lot of things deleted or left out. the translation, like you mentioned, anderson, it's difficult even clearances that normally would be responded to in a standard way aren't translated properly. >> this final communication that some people have focused on, the casualness of it, does that -- is that common? does that count as casual language? >> well, yeah, it's nonstandard. but that frequency is probably used all the time and the controllers know that the pilots know and vice versa. >> so technically, the co-pilot should have rere

les abend? >> i'd like to see more information with regard to the radar data when it comes to direction of flight and especially altitude. i think some of the assumptions on where the search area has gone, i'm not clear on that. >> more on the radar data. >> more on radar data. >> especially when it pertains to altitude. >> okay. miles o'brien? >> i totally agree with les. we need radar data. we want to line that up with the altitude as best we know it and want to overlay that with the air traffic control communications which we still haven't heard. then i'd like to see the maintenance records of that aircraft and like to know a little bit about those pilots, what it was like, the ten pilots that flew with them on previous flights? did they know anything or see anything that was at all suspicious? >> very good points. listen, there is so much to go over here. we have learned a lot of new information today. it feels like because we've been covering this for three weeks that nothing concrete has b

steve wallace, you heard what les abend had to say. what's your response to him? well, i don't disagree. dialing in that emergency 7700 squawk might be a low priority. but what troubles me is that the transponder was simply apparently, and there are two of them on the airplane, turned off. so that's what makes it a little harder for me to reconcile. and, again, the -- we all got pretty locked on to these inmarsat pings. and i can't reconcile this -- this notion that it went down and west with those inmarsat pings. unless it did something else afterwards. >> yeah. cnn's miles o'brien also standing by has been listening to this breaking news. miles, we're talking about the altitude change here. and the sharp turn. according to les abend, who is, you know, our 777 pilot here, still flies, he's saying, listen, when you're in a particular situation, the possibility that something catastrophic happened on board the plane, you have all these checklists, what have you, doesn't necessarily happen in real life. we have emergencies. we have certain things we're supposed to d

les abend a retired pilot and cnn analyst. and david gallo and mary schiavo. les let's start with you. the transcript of the 54 minutes you have in front of you. does anything jump out at you? again there is some language issue but you have to consider it was translated from english to mandarin to english. >> right. and it's a very abridged version. you don't get all the transmissions to other aircraft in between. so terminology we use is situational apairness. there's a lot of things deleted or left out. the translation like you mentioned, anderson, it's difficult even clearances that normally would be responded to in a standard way aren't translated properly. >> and this final communication that some people have focused on, the casualness of it, which we'll put on the screen, is that common? that kind of casual language? >> well, yeah. it's nonstandard, but that frequency is probably used all the time. and the controllers know that the pilots know and vice versa. >> so technically, we're seeing it on the screen here all right good night technically the copilo

back with me now my team of experts, david soucie, les abend, miles o'brien and colleen keller. you two were having a fascinating discussion about a potential theory you think may have happened. >> les and i have been talk a lot about dropping down to 12,000 feet. taking some assumptions into that it did go down to 12,000 feet. if they were using a flight change button it was preset to that for emergencies. it could have been press and gone down. if there was a mechanical failure on board the aircraft. so i'm thinking along the lines of here, and miles keep me honest on this because i know there are some holes in here and we'll probably get there. but the only thing that makes sense to me, most probable and confidence i have in the data, this aircraft had some mechanical failure on board, namely the lithium batteries. if the lithium batteries started on fire. remember we talked about and mary has brought this up before it has the capability of putting out those fires that are going on. but there's another hazard that comes in with that. if you put out the fire, the lithium batte

les abend, thanks to so many of you.and the advances we have, you think we will absolutely find this plane? >> i'm optimistic. >> okay. thank you very much. we now know that flight 370 had a dramatic drop in altitude. coming up. we'll take you inside our flight simulator and let you know what that looks like. staying active can ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, this can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain and improve daily physical function so moving is easier. because just one 200mg celebrex a day can provide 24 hour relief for many with arthritis pain. and it's not a narcotic. you and your doctor should balance the benefits with the risks. all prescription nsaids, like celebrex, ibuprofen, naproxen and meloxicam have the same cardiovascular warning. they all may increase the chance of heart attack or stroke, which can lead to death. this chance increases if you have heart disease or risk factors such as high blood pressure or when nsaids are taken for long periods. nsai

i want to bring in our panel, david sousi, also with us, captain les abend. richard quest and david gallo. richard, let's talk about this "usa today" report. it's obviously natural to focus on the pilots but essentially "usa today" based on one up named malaysian source is saying it was the pilot who is the only one that could have done this, the most experienced and therefore they're focusing on him. >> the "usa today" report is judge and jury, convicted and just throw away and lock away the key. in the last hour, one of the guests on our special program with don lemon, one of our guests basically said his source in malaysia, high up in the police force, made it quite clear that there is no undue interest in one of the pilots. they're part of a wider investigation. they're obviously being looked at closely, but he completely and utterly denied that this view -- so what we have really done, and sara said in the last hour, as well. we're now sort of -- the rampant stage of unnamed sources -- >> also a single source who may have their own reason. les, the idea

i want to bring in now les abend. you've flown a 777 many times. does this new information reduce suspicions about foul play in the cockpit? >> on the surface, it seems to. i don't want to discount any other possibilities. but yeah, very much so, that it seems like this is the action the crew facing some sort of emergency. >> i want to ask you this, i want to go to mike. this is your expertise. you and richard quest talked about the radar, a military radar tracked this flight. is this a game changer in this investigation? and why was this information released earlier? >> i'm still treating the altitude data that we're getting with a lot of caution. a number of reasons for that, don. the first one is that the evidence we have so far suggests the transformer was turned off or the transponder was off. there is a number of reasons that could happen, i won't go into that now. the bottom line is the transponder gives you position, attitude, speed and information. if that was off, you won't get altitude information from primary radar. primary radar drops

les abend says runways are 10,000 feet. this is all hypothetical. i know 777 er could land on a much smaller runway if there was an emergency, if fuel was low, right? how short around can you do it? >> well, first of all, it's a simulator, a simulator is not exactly as the 777 might act, but it is doggone close, as close as we can get safelism is a small island off of western australia. we are not saying this is what happened. what we want to show you is the safety aspect of the plane itself. what we are talking about here is that we are dealing with an aircraft that has so many safety features built into it. yes, they need 6 to maybe 8,000 feet. they can do it with less. we are looking a at runway here, mitchell, what do we think -- >> i'm sorry, what is that? >> 4,000 feet. if he can't make it on the approach, we will go around. this runway is not ideal. got some of the best and biggest landing gear of any major plane and you can see the weather is a problem. so whether he is gonna get it down and have enough runway at the end, i guess we watch an

les abend, a 777 pilot and mik michael kay, a retired air force pilot. and we also have will ripley who is out in the water now with the traveling, shadowing the ocean shield. and he will be showing what's is going on there. you see the ocean shield there behind him. you think it's a military vessel. it's not a military vessel. do you think this is maybe the best hope yet to find something? this is indeed a vehicle that could do it? >> i think expectation is the key word here, don. i think we've got some sophisticated technology both in the form of -- sorry, above the surface, vessels and aircraft. but i think the australian prime minister hit the nail on the head in terms of the air force 447. we knew where the haystack was and it took two years to find the black boxes. and unfortunately, the families need to gear themselves for that long haul and set their expectations there. because this is a huge area. what i would be wanting to do in this situation is really try and get some cooperation of the search area, don. we're putting all our eggs in this exp

les abend, we understand -- are we getting the coordinates? point at which this is found. a considerable distance. can we back that out a little more. i want to know how close that is to the island off of the west of australia. this is a considerable distance from perth where the planes have taken off, les. and they're not going to make it out there. even if this object is still in place four days later which is highly unlikely. they're going to have to wait until day break tomorrow to get out there. >> yeah, that's frustrating. that was a little over 1,400 miles the last time the search for satellite imagery was found. you're going to need a bigger airplane with a lot more fuel to get out to that distance and who knows -- like you said, where it drifted from there. >> but if you have the coordinators, real quickly, before we let you go, would they be sending ships out there right now to be out there as the sun rises? >> christi, i doubt. unless there's a merchant ship of sorts throughout at that point. or we have one of our military navy ships

. >>> i want to bring in les abend who is a 777 captain. we're working with hypotheticals here. viable do you think this autopilot theory is and what would have had to have happened in the cockpit? >> i think it's a very viable theory. it's something i've been touting that seems the most plausible all along from the standpoint of -- the scenario i'm looking at it different than payne stewart. that was simple highpoxia. the plane lost pressure rye zags and everyone essentially went to sleep. but my scenario is a smoul smouldering fire that created smoke and once that began the crew donned their oxygen masks. you can't totally see all of that smoke from breathing and you're going to get toxic fumes, depending on what is burning. so my scenario is they approached that point where it sounded like there was a normal situation. there may have been something on the screen that indicated a slight fault, maybe a shrug of the shoulder and then it started to progress if it was a fire situation. the captain realized it was compelling enough to get the airplane turned and entered a waypoint

les abend, a cnn aviation analyst. mary sciavo and david gallo, so leader of the search for air france 447, director of special projects. and jeff beatty is a former fbi/cia intel support officer with years of experience. good to have you here this evening, as well. you see that large object, as much as 79 feet long, could that be an actual piece of the aircraft? >> yeah, absolutely. and to me, that looks like it could be the wing because it's much too big to be the vertical stabilizer as in the previous accidents of american 587 and then air france 447. it's possible, if it's a 78-foot piece, it's a wing. >> given the resolution isn't clear, there are those who said it could be several pieces that are tied together or strung together. >> of course. i'm saying it's the wing by virtue of the fact that it's got empty cavities and the center tank fuel probably was not filled up. >> david, there is reason to be skeptical about all this, given the rough nature of the ocean in this area. could a piece this big be there after

joining me now a man who has lots of experience in that area, les abend is a 777 captain with 29 yearsf flying experience. miles o'brien and mary schiavo. talking to david there on the break about quite an interesting new thought process i think about an established thing, which is if the plane flew at 12,000 feet, the presumption is being that they would have burned off too much fuel too quickly to have got to where the site is. you now believe it would have been possible. >> exactly right, piers. i looked at the numbers. and just my experience in flying jet airplanes i said there's just no way. but i looked at the numbers and confirmed it with a really good boeing source. and this gentleman came back and said, i see what you see. and it's very possible. >> david, you've had the same conversations with people which also suggest this could have been possible, this plane could have been flying at 12,000 feet and ended up -- running it out. >> i also independently confirmed his numbers were correct and thought is possible. >> okay. mary schiavo, taking that into account, and taking into

i want to bring in david souci and les abend.ou looked like you had questions about that. >> i don't know if this is what you were talking about. question if you had -- if this was flying without communications, it's possible the electric power wasn't there. that correction wouldn't exist. so it's potential that it could have gone. if it had electrical power it probably would have. >> les if both engines went out at the same time, would it be a gradual descent? >> yeah. if they went out at the same time. i very much doubt it. >> you doubt that would happen? >> i doubt it. i'm not sure the system, all due respect to mitchell, i'm not sure that what they call a thrust asymmetry compensator would actually be effective or be active with that scenario. the airplane may very well have turned which might explain what it did initially. >> but les and david, you were saying there's a lot we can learn even from one or two pieces of debris, you can start to put together the pieces of the puzzle. >> absolutely. this fuselage when it goes in,

joining us two pilots who are both cnn aviation analysts, les abend and miles o'brien.sense in any way that pilot and copilot would be involved in this? >> why do it in the middle of nowhere? it just doesn't make sense. i would have done it after takeoff. my understanding is that there's one of the world's biggest buildings and towers in kuala lumpur. why not do it going into beijing? >> miles, others would say perhaps you wanted to go to a deeper area, the waters in the gulf of thailand were very low. but pilot suicide as we talked about in that egyptair disaster off nantucket in the late 90s, that was shortly into the flight, correct? the malaysia airlines flight if the information is accurate, it went on for hours well off course. d's that li does that line up with the theory of suicide? >> if you look back at the egyptair 990 story, there was a lot of recriminations that were focused on the family of the first officer who was implicated by the ntsb on a suicide mission. of course the e judicigyptians all. we're not saying this is what happened, but the possibility t

. >> les abend? >> as frustrating as it is for the family, i think it's positive we're narrowing this investigation and can find answers hopefully. >> the frustrating part is the search has been called out for now. right now i'm going to turn things over to cnn international's rosemary church. >>> this is cnn breaking news. >> hello, everyone. i'm john vause. >> and i'm rosemary church. we continue with the breaking news coverage of the malaysian fly 370. >> more than 300 angry relatives of passengers of flight 370 have stormed out of their hotel rooms. >> and authorities have blocked them from boarding buses. also it's reported that beijing is demanding that malaysia turn over its satellite data. >> heavy rains kept planes grounded on monday. the search is not likely to resume until wednesday, that is weather permitting. this all comes after an announcement that appears to end all hopes of finding survivors while asia's prime minister says the missing plane crashed somewhere in the southern indian o

i want to bring in les abend, jeff wise. les is author of "extreme fear" and jeff a 777 pilot.the families, devastating news this morning. it does validate the focus investigators have put and searchers have put on that southern corridor, that southern area off the coast of perth. >> yeah, in a sense, it really only validates what had become the consensus view about the likely outcome of this flight. and it also, again, shows how key this inmarsat data is. first gave the final arc where the plane was known to have wound up and then further analysis gave a likely route. and now this seems to have given us that final piece of the puzzle, which direction it headed. >> it also seems to confirm, les, that this plane was flying for some six to seven hours from the time that it made that turn, which is an extraordinary -- it covered an extraordinary distance. we still don't know why, we still don't know how, or exactly what altitude it was flying or why it went in the water. >> it's true. but as devastating as this is for the families and all of us here, really, this is a positive thi

richard quest, david sousi and les abend.s today, the news just in the last several hours is now we've learned, confirmed of a final communication or attempt at communication made by this plane or what seems to

les abend, the 777 pilot was talking about them earlier.f you look at the charts for the 777, the distance change at 12,000 feet is not that much less than at 35,000 feet, which of course is the way i had interpreted it. so i'm wondering, do you think there's any scope for confusion on this point of how far the plane could have gone? >> reporter: well, according to my source, richard, the 777 at 12,000 feet can do about 340 knots. at 35,000 feet, it can do 480 knots. that's about 600 kilometers an hour, versus 900 kilometers an hour. if you do the range calculation as we have done to 2500 kilometers southwest of perth, the 777 couldn't do it at 12,000 feet. >> that's quite a difference. geoffrey, the question is, talk to us more about this scenario that you presented. if the plane did run out of fuel and crash, describe how that crash would have unfolded, at least according to your source. >> reporter: look, yes, it's rather heavy duty, if you like. no airplane is absolutely stable. so the engines fail, the electrical systems fail, the plan

jeff gardere, les abend and david jordan is a deep ocean explorer and former u.s. going to start with you. my question is do objects retrieved today look significant to you in any way? or do they look like ocean trash? >> unfortunately, there is a tremendous amount of trash in the ocean. i've seen wrecks at 10,000 feet deep over 2,000-year-old littered with styrofoam and plastic bags, sad to say. i'm certainly not qualified to identify any of those pieces. i'm sure if the plane did crash in that area there will be many pieces of debris. important thing is to note location and time of each one so we can have an opportunity to make some kind of estimate as to where they originated. >> les abend, the search field moved hundreds of miles yesterday based on calculations that flight 370 flew faster, burned more fuel and had a shorter flight path over the ocean. it seems to change frequently, how confident are you with these new calculations? >> well, you know, i think i'm like everybody else. i think, you know, they started off with an assumption that may have not been c

les abend, thanks to so many of you.u think in today's technology and the advances we have, you think we will absolutely find this plane? >> i'm optimistic. >> okay. thank you very much. we now know that flight 370 had a dramatic drop in altitude. coming up. we'll take you inside our flight simulator and let you know what that looks like. latte or au lait? sunny or bubbly? cozy or cool? "meow" or "woof"? wheels or wheeeels? everything exactly the way you want it ...until boom, it's bedtime. your mattress isn't bliss: it's a battleground of thwarted desire. enter the all-new sleep number classic series. designed to let couples sleep together in individualized comfort. starting at just $699.99 for a queen mattress. he's the softy: his sleep number setting is 35. you're the rock: your setting is 60. that works. he's the night owl. his side's up while you're in dreamland. you're the early bird. up and at 'em. no problem, because you're in it together... keeping the love alive. and by the way - snoring? sleep number's even go

les abend. when you hear this from the u.s.t ruling out terrorism here, almost to week three, what is your reaction to that. >> my reaction, that's a smart statement. i am not ruling out anything, i'm not stuck to a particular theory. i know i have written an article with regards to the scenario of fire and smoke, but there are holes in that theory, as there is in a hijacking theory also. >> okay. let me run through a couple questions we have been getting from viewers, and combing the twitter. here is one from a number of viewers, wondering what are the lanc chances the plane could be intact somewhere in the ocean? >> highly improbable, highly improbable, even if the airplane touched down in a controlled fashion, with pilots at the controls, waves, it is very difficult. this is not a hudson river type scenario. this is, you know, a scenario with major swells, and if it did touch down, we'd be thinking about survivors because the rafts would be deployed and we would be in a whole other situation because the rafts have emergency

about the challenges that are facing these search crews, cnn aviation analysts, mary schiavo and les abendy analyst david soucie. first things first before we get to the battery life and race against time. we have breaking news that the simulator, the flight simulator that was found in the pilot's home, which the fbi has been looking at, we're now being told that it's actually here in the united states. at quantico. mary, i just want you to weigh in on this. this is an area of your expertise. did that surprise you to hear? >> it surprised me to hear, because at first they said they weren't able to get access to it. that's very good news. when we did investigations, often we would have to have things that were thought -- supposedly erased from computers, reconstructed, and fbi quantico was very helpful. so this is good news, if they indeed have it. >> good news and more gear, more eyes. from what i gather, there were less than a handful of agents actually over in malaysia. so now you've got the full force of the fbi and all of the technology at their disposal, correct? >> well, that's corre

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. >>> les abend, thank you. can you stay? >> i'm here. >> you're the expert.t so many questions like how far would that plane have actually been able to fly after the communications were turned off? how much fuel did that plane have on board? if it flew high, if it flew low, how far could it go? there are so many possibilities. we're going to lay out some of them, ahead. >>> and then, what do you do when an earthquake hits in the middle of your newscast? that's what these people did. the alarm bells rang. they ducked for cover. find out about what happened in los angeles in a moment. i'm beth... and i'm michelle. and we own the paper cottage. it's a stationery and gifts store. anything we purchase for the paper cottage goes on our ink card. so you can manage your business expenses and access them online instantly with the game changing app from ink. we didn't get into business to spend time managing receipts, that's why we have ink. we like being in business because we like being creative, we like interacting with people. so you have time to focus on the thing

. >> david soucie, les abend, thank you so much for being with us. we appreciate it.ng to follow the breaking news that's been developing all night on the search for flight 370, these possible pieces of debris. you're looking at them right now, found some 1,400 miles off the coast of australia. i say found. spotted by satellite. they have planes, they have ships now headed to the area to see if they can get a better look. we will tell you the latest updat updates, how those planes are doing, right after this. ♪ ♪ so you can have a getaway from what you know. so you can be surprised by what you don't. get two times the points on travel and dining at restaurants from chase sapphire preferred. so you can taste something that wakes up your soul. chase sapphire preferred. so you can. iwe don't back down. we only know one direction: up so we're up early. up late. thinking up game-changing ideas, like this: dozens of tax free zones across new york state. move here. expand here. or start a new business here... and pay no taxes for 10 years. with new jobs, new opportunities an

colleen keller, michael kay, les abend and will ripley joining us from australia and we have rosa floress is just in from hmstuwumba has made best speed and entered the area. there we go, the ship has made its way into the area where we believe the objects were found. and so they are -- made good time on saturday afternoon. so there we go. we have that ship. we've also got the ship that will is out shadowing. and then we have this new information that rosa flores is bringing us. i want to get to you first, colleen. what do you make of rosa's information here talking about, you know, if the origination of two different places in the ocean where objects were found, and it doesn't -- the data doesn't quite jive? >> it's no problem that the data doesn't jive. the reason is the data is uncertain. so you could have two separate hypotheses and they could be conflicting. since you have overlap and uncertainty you, have you to keep both of them on the table until you exclude one, until you have credible evidence that takes one completely away. in the air france search, we actually had three separ

also cnn aviation analyst les abend. he'll stick around.ttle later on we've got a lot more ahead. >>> new insight from our panel of seasoned pilots. do they believe that flight 370 was hijacked? we're going to run through the top scenarios that investigators are looking at. and as i said, the frustrating thing -- if you've been following this -- that each of these though possible is -- there's also good reasons why it's not possible, why it doesn't seem likely. so we're going to kind of look at what all the investigators were looking at, talk to a partner of american passenger phillip wood about why she is not giving up hope of seeing him alive again. we'll be right back. way to get your fiber. try phillips fiber good gummies. they're delicious, and a good source of fiber to help support regularity. wife: mmmm husband: these are good! marge: the tasty side of fiber. from phillips. feeding your lawn need not be so difficult neighbors. get a load of this bad boy. whoa. this snap spreader system from scotts is snap-crackin' simple -- just snap

les says his airline asks questions about his personality. >> do you like your mother, do you hate your father, you know, things of that nature. you know, have you ever harmed a small animal. >> reporter: abend interview the pilots' friends. many u.s.-based airlines go above and beyond what is requirement required by the government. they can't fly if they've got bipolar disorder or similar problems. some medications are bad. but some pilots say they don't always get asked about psychological issues and it's often up to pilots to report those and to report any medications they are taking. >> if he or she doesn't self report, what happens? >> if you don't self-report, it's gone unnoticed. typically what happens is if you have an issue, one of your crew members might recognize something like that. >> reporter: do the airlines check on pilots to see if anything's come up in their personal lives that might cause concern, financial problems, maybe a worrisome illness in the family? >> the short answer is if you miss a trip for a particular reason -- >> reporter: ache said that if they started doing that, privacy issues would be raised. does this mean that there's gap in the system. >> pilots for t