les mckeown and david anderson is the president of learn to lead an international sales and leadershiponsulting company. great to see you guys. i loved doing this story. i went through the same thing. it was so interesting to me to hear about the conversations they had and how it went. it went easy for us, but i think we were all really open and fair about our conversations, which, i think a lot of people aren't. what do you think are some of the biggest pitfalls people approach when hiring a ceo? >> i think, in this situation, you need to make sure you share the same values, the same vision and mission. you can't be on separate pages there. you can debate the strategy and tactics but if you can align in those areas, it's a key to sustaining a great progress. >> how do you figure that out? is it in a conversation? for me, it's a feeling. i sense this is a good guy and i trust him. >> figuring it out is a step past where the real brilliance because the brilliance is deciding we need to do this. i think it's a lot less usual than you might think. a third of the ceos that i work with shou

les mckeown is the president and ceo of incubation consulting companies, predictable success. he is also author of a book by the same name. and david anderson is the president of learn to lead. an international sales and leadership training and consulting company. great to see both of you guys. so i loved doing this story. as i said i went through the same thing and it was so interesting to me, to hear about the conversations they had, and how it went. because it also went easy for us. but i think we were also the open and very fair about our conversations, which i think a lot of people aren't. so what do you think are some of the biggest pitfalls that people approach when hiring a ceo? >> well, i think you need to, in this situation, you need to make sure that you share the same values. you share the same vision and the same mission. you can't really be on separate pages there. now you can debate this strategy, but if you can align in those key areas i think that's just a key to getting off and sustaining a great progress. >> and how do you figure that out? do you figure that