i was just looking for something. , mary heard les paul ford.the record "how high the moon?" hearing that record, i tried that at home. on one tapeumpet machine, overdubbed it to the other, and i got this sound to her that was the genesis of the tijuana brass sound. charlie: when you heard it, you knew that was you? herb: i didn't know that exactly at the time. i knew i was onto something that felt good, and i didn't know and until "the lonely bull" "the letter from the lady." then you start getting your courage up. herb: you have done it all. you've been a businessman. you've been a musician. you've been a broadway producer, painter. charlie: herb: i still am a painter and a sculptor. charlie: which one of those defines you the most? herb: i think all three. i am a right-brain guy. music,, i sculpt, i make and i'm lucky. charlie: do they feed each other? herb: absolutely. i get that feeling when it happens. you can be sculpting, and the piece doesn't really take shape or feel good. i'm just as anxious until it's resolved, and when it's resolved