leslators do not like the governor, the governor ds not like the leglators.tion i will there be enough of a demand to force the legislature to do somethi other than change the rple? >> there really is a wa to finesse the issue and to keep from having tochange the law with the change the governorship. i think what they ought to do i massachusettis simply pass a law thatays, the governor will appoint a successor if the nator dies in office if the vernor is a demoat. otheise, if he is a repuican, there will be a special election than they do not haveo change the law again. >> [laughter] >> i do not tnk that will be a problem. >> i think the people of massachusetts wod think is a great idea tousinberre like that. -- to do something like that. >> i do not thi that they wa to be without a senor for five nths. it justaw what happened in minnesota. >> why did they changit? >> they changed it for political reasons. they will change it back for purely politicaleasons. hypocrisyeads to schear icketcrookedness >> in 19 between 196and this pas week, there has been e senat

i worked withim on leslation, though he was a democrat and i was a republican.usually voted the same way, and we became close friends. i knew his brother, the president, john f. kennedy and had an office next to robert kennedy. i knew the knedy's pretty well. in later year i've got to know ted kennedy even more than the others. >> tell me how you worand his work intertwined, given that you were a republican and he a liberal democrat >> tech was alws interested in alth care. i was prarily interesd in hoing for the poor. on many other issues, voting rights act, civil-rights act, poverty, all those issues, and even on forgn pyolol issues as well as domestic, y would find us generally voting in theame way. >> thank you for your service and yourime, und these difficult momts, to talk abo your friendship th the late, grea edward kennedy. i appreate your ti to talk withs. tavis: 46 years ago at the march on washington. the book is called a " king's dream, the legyf martin luther king' speech." i want to sta with a quote from the book. this rlly got my attention. you ar

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byrdule was desied to prevent reconciliation from beg used to writeajor substantive leslation becausereconciliation was only intended for defic reducti in which you chan the spending numbers and the renue numbe butot wre substabive the policy. and so he put specific les in place to pvent writi bstantive legislati. and so under the bd ruleany provisn that does not score for budget purposes is subject to strike. anything for which the score is only incidental to theolicy changes subject to automic stri. what doethat all mean? parliamentarianists saidf you try to wri health care reform legislation and reconciliation, you'll be left with swiss cheese for legislation. those who say bthely "we'll just go foreconciliation," i don't thinkhey've done the ho work about what that really means. >> rose: senator kent conrad of north kota, a democrat who serves on the fince committee theudget committee and is a member of the ga of sixtrying to find an acceptable compromise for health ce refo. back in a moment. ay with us. >> rose: jon kilar is here, he's the e.o. of hulu, an onlineideo service gtin