what i did do was to make sure that mike young and lesley saul picked _ that mike young and lesley saul— in my statement i go on to talk about that. r' , about that. the risk identified by ernst & young — about that. the risk identified by ernst & young was _ about that. the risk identified by ernst & young was that - about that. the risk identified by i ernst & young was that unrestricted access to privileged it functions increased the risk of unauthorised or inappropriate access which could lead to processing of unauthorised or erroneous transactions. it's implicit in that that a form of remote access by fujitsu is possible, isn't it? remote access by fu'itsu is possible, isn't mi remote access by fu'itsu is possible, isn't it? reading that today with _ possible, isn't it? reading that today with everything - possible, isn't it? reading that today with everything we i possible, isn't it? reading that| today with everything we know, possible, isn't it? reading that i today with everything we know, yes, absolutely. — today with everything we know, yes, absolutely, i'm not sure at the ti

in which she told you that the — lesley saul in which she told you that the post office had beened that the expert with witness that the _ advised that the expert with witness that the post office had used in crimihat— that the post office had used in criminal cases to give evidence about— criminal cases to give evidence about horizon had failed to mention that there _ about horizon had failed to mention that there were bugs in horizon, ihctudihg — that there were bugs in horizon, including in the seam is the case. you tell— including in the seam is the case. you tell us— including in the seam is the case. you tell us that in your statement. yes, _ you tell us that in your statement. yes. that's— you tell us that in your statement. yes, that's right. can you tell us that in your statement. yes, that's right.— you tell us that in your statement. yes, that's right. can we please try to in yes, that's right. can we please try to pin down — yes, that's right. can we please try to pin down the _ yes, that's right. can we please try to pin down the date _ yes, that's right. can we plea

i would have read lesley saul�*s e—mail sent to be.d of it telling you _ and here, the head of it telling you i_ and here, the head of it telling you. i think your position is that you. i think your position is that you did — you. i think your position is that you did not _ you. i think your position is that you did not see simon clarke's advices. — you did not see simon clarke's advices, which address looking at past convictions, until after the court _ past convictions, until after the court of— past convictions, until after the court of appeal criminal does division — court of appeal criminal does division disclosures in late 2020, early— division disclosures in late 2020, early 2021~ — division disclosures in late 2020, early 2021. is division disclosures in late 2020, early 2021-_ division disclosures in late 2020, early 2021._ yes. i division disclosures in late 2020, | early 2021._ yes. so, early 2021. is that right? yes. so, ou did early 2021. is that right? yes. so, you did rtot _ early 2021. is that right? yes. so, you did no

to mark davies and lesley saul, urgent, accessing horizon.mail in the chain. "dear bowes, your help please in answers and in facing those answers in preparation for the select committee. one, is it possible to access the system remotely? we are told it is. " what you are doing there is attributing to the committee a statement or a challenge or a question, is that right? challenge or a question, is that riuht? . . challenge or a question, is that riuht? , . . right? yes, i am positing a question- _ right? yes, i am positing a question. imagining - right? yes, i am positing a question. imagining that l right? yes, i am positing a - question. imagining that which they ma ask question. imagining that which they may ask you? _ question. imagining that which they may ask you? yes. _ question. imagining that which they may ask you? yes. and _ question. imagining that which they may ask you? yes. and asking - question. imagining that which they may ask you? yes. and asking for. may ask you? yes. and asking for assistance — may ask you? yes. and askin