lesley stahl is the correspondence that i worked with. next week, condoleezza rice was saying publicly that there was no record of such a meeting. she was attempting to a tic -- attack his credibility. five-seven days later, some of our confidential sources then decided to come forward and go public and say, i was there. he was telling the truth. right after our piece, which was a two-part piece, the 9/11 hearings occurred. he followed up our peace with his testimony. what he did was framed the debate, what he did was establish his credibility. tv news can let the viewer is looking in the eyes. -- ken -- tv news can let the viewer looking in the eyes. you are defining yourself before those twwhom you are attacking are going to come out and attack you. i know for a fact that he did not regret for a minute going on the show. that was a smart move. to me, that anecdotes' illustrates both the virtue of going forward to if you are a whistle-blower. it is a very personal decision and is never going to be easy. there are benefits to going public

but lesley stahl cavalierly said, let's raise the retirement age.id not know that life expectancy grew a lot over the last three decades. it really only grew for the people in the upper half of the income distribution. people in the bottom half are not living longer. we have a problem of inequality that we have to deal with. we just saw a massive loss of wealth. 401k's are now called appropriately 201k's. the problem we have, not talking about social security shortfalls, but water going to do about retirement in this country? >> i agree with larry about his basic premise, about what kind of future do we want? aside from all the gloom and doom, the crisis should be seen as a big opportunity. we know that we have a tax system which is inefficient and does not raise as much revenue as it could from a simpler tax system that would be better for the economy. we know that we have a very inefficient health system. we need a thorough reform. we need to make the health system more efficient. in a way, that is an advantage, the fact we spend more than other c

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stahl: he decided he wanted to make amends for the 13 years he had spent as a radical, so now, he devotes himself to rebutting the very narrative he once passionately promoted. >> nawaz: frankly, lesley, i think it's the key factor in solving the problem we're experiencing in the world at the moment. >> stahl: countering the narrative. >> nawaz: countering the narrative is the core of the solution, making this narrative as unfashionable as communism has become today. >> stahl: to do that he co- founded a think tank, the quilliam foundation, that is mostly funded by the british government. the idea is to influence the two million british citizens who are muslim, and especially the roughly 2,000 of them who the government says are islamic radicals who pose a threat to national security. it is their views nawaz attacks. here, on the bbc, he's debating an extremist who wants to turn england into a caliphate, a religious state under sharia law. >> nawaz: in your so-called "caliphate", you'd have me killed, wouldn't you? wouldn't you have me... am i an apostate that deserves death? >> well, i mean, obviously, maajid nawaz... maajid nawaz... >> nawaz: answer the question. answer the questio

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who better to direct this discussion and lesley stahl of cbs news?lease welcome alan simpson, erskine bowles, and lesley stahl. [applause] >> hello, everyone. thanks for coming. first i want to ask alan, how is your niece? -- have is your knee? it is new, and it is seven weeks old. it is healing. i have not had a drink. erskine has not been sympathetic at all. >> now that we have dispensed with the funnies, our topic is kind of heavy. senator simpson, let me just are often ask you whether the word "doable" is going to be factored into your deliberation. if it becomes pretty clear that there is a solution that is obvious, will you just toss it out there? or will the idea of whether this can fly politically be woven in to everything you do? >> let me just thank pete peterson. that wonderful man has been working with me. we worked on social security. he is more than all the things you see. there is a deaconess to him called patriotism. that is where he springs from -- there is a deepness to him. when we got the call, joe biden called and said i have a r