and he had a speech next week but i've been reading a book i howard university professor leslie alexander laceyabout the civilian conservation corps entitled the sort of the soldiers. and there's a congressman in this book, congressman oscar dupree from illinois. recognize or not, a history. but i wonder if you're familiar with congressman dupree because he was a republican, and he got an amendment to legislation for the civilian conservation corps, which barred discrimination based on race or religion. and i just found is so amazing, and i wondered if you had seen this before. thank you. >> guest: i'm serving not an expert on the congressman but i'm certainly aware of his existence. he was a republican in areas where it was possible to be a moderate republican. i think we're in a different era now in terms of what republicans represent. >> host: ellis cose, alexander of university place washington e-mails into you, and this is his third point that he wants to make. in your opinion have the hbcus fulfilled their role as a social and social mission, or add new areas of research, or what role do