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we're joined bit former head of the doj's criminal division, leslie caldwell. the right to remain silent. but if they waive that right, we've seen prosecutors use the material. do you see in some of the statements we just ran through grist, material, evidence for the jack smith cases? >> yeah, absolutely. i think you hit the nail on the head when you said earlier that a defense lawyer would not want his client to be out there saying these kinds of things. it's much easier for the prosecutor if they can just press "play" instead of having to call witnesses to testify about what somebody said. so i think that he has created or increased the risk for himself. as you noted, jack smith has already relied heavily on many of trump's prior statements. and there's no reason to think he won't rely on some of these. >> yeah, intent matters. and it's supposed to matter because the law is supposed to care. fairness is supposed to care about the difference between intentionally doing something terrible and making a mistake or an accident or being, for example, as i've told v

also, leslie caldwell, former assistant attorney general of the colonel division of the probe of justice. ryan, if you, will bring us up to date on where we are with. this >> yeah, so, essentially, they were one of the very limited gag on donald trump. speaking about, in terms of him speaking about witnesses in this case as well as the prosecution. and the judge in this case saying that the comments you're hearing would impact the opportunity for him to have a fair trial, and get this case to trial. it's mostly going in march. which is coming up very quickly. less than six months. out. now saying that essentially, what he's doing now, is the same thing that he's doing in the lead up to january 6th itself. using threats and making these threats that are interfering with the process in the same way they ultimately did on january 6th itself. >> all, right ryan reilly for, us thank, you ryan. i'm natalie hugo. leslie, let's dig into some of. this can, first and foremost, what is a limited gag order look like? >> so, essentially, it appears the czech smith's team is trying to enforce against

we're joined by leslie caldwell, former head of the doj's criminal division. welcome back. >> thank you. >> i want to talk exactly to you about this case. given your experience. are these serious charges, and is this strong evidence? >>, so they're extremely serious charges. and they're very different than the charges filed against senator menendez in 2015. remember that between 2015, when the senator was indicted, and 2017, this case went to trial, there was a major supreme court ruling which pretty much altered the landscape on the level of proof the prosecutors have to present in public corruption cases. that law applied during senator menendez's first trial, and i think that went a long way toward from being a hung jury and the judge dismissing some counts. this is very different. this is a much more kind of traditional looking corruption case, where you don't have bags of cash, but you have envelopes of cash and you have bullion, which is very unusual, and you have a car. obviously these are just allegations at this point, and the senator obviously, as yo

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i'm joined now by leslie caldwell, eight years ago was a prosecutor for the justice department.ncing a difference at a bribery charges against senator menendez i should note menendez was acquitted after the jury deadlocked in that case. former president trump commuted that dr. sentence in another case against other charges. regarding this indictment, what do you make of -- do you believe it stronger than what the justice department tried to do in that previous case? look >> so i think it's very different. the first indictment was filed and tried when the law was one thing. and actually filed when the law was one way. and then between the indictment of the trial the law changed in the form of supreme court decision. making it much harder for prosecutors to do public corruption. this is a different kind of indictment with very different fact pattern. and the indictment is very careful to alleged links between specific conduct and specific benefits that will provide the senator and his wife. i think that makes a big difference and you'll see how it shapes out. >> of course what you

leslie caldwell, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. >>> and still ahead, america's top general facing a disturbing new threat, including from the man who appointed him. donald trump insinuating that general mark milley be executed. what does trump's former defense secretary, who served alongside him, have to say about these remarks? >>> plus the trump campaign saying the former president bought a gun, then correcting themselves after an up roar. remember trump is under four felony indictments. can he even legally purchase a firearm? that's next. >>> general mark milley tonight is facing an onslaught of violent rhetoric, just days before he is set to retire. on friday former president donald trump baselessly accused the department chairman of treason, quote, an act so egregious that in times gone by, the punishment would have been death. paul gosar suggested in a news rant on saturday night that milley be hanged, among other disgusting remarks that don't bear repeating and therefore won't be repeated tonight. trump and the congressman were piling on milley for his response to th