leslie lee's office only handles appeals, death penalty cases, and public defender training. >> do younow how many people are sitting in jail, without having spoken to an attorney? >> oh i'm sure the number is quite large. but i have no idea. it's frightening. >> does anyone keep track of that? >> the challenges are we have 82 counties. 82 different ways that they keep the data. 82 different ways that they appoint public defenders. >> so why is it that in scott county indigent defendants can't see an attorney until after they are indicted? >> that's a very good question. we don't know why. it shouldn't be that way. >> who has oversight over how the justice system works in the counties right now? >> the judges. >> we're going to see judge gordon. this is the man that many people hold responsible for keeping people in jail for months without access to a lawyer. >> we met a few defendants yesterday, just being here a few days, went into the jail and spoke to a number of inmates who say they have been waiting to speak to an attorney for nearly a year. >> well that's not right. i know that'

back with leslie garner and christopher bedford as well as christian. leeerstand comedians can get with a lot of things and sometimes they are serious and sometimes they're not but when the heat comes there's always a joke that's i think what they said was mean-spirited and i don't think it was in the effect of comedy. >> i totally agree. it's totally different than making fun of tom -- donald trump's hair. you can see the tension between them and when i think is so interesting is you can call somebody close minded and not agree with them they wouldn't even listed carly fiorina view. she kept trying to get her opinion out and they kept shutting her down. it was really tense and i thought it was really upsetting. charles: what does it do with carly with respect renovations for the white house? ipod after the second debate which i felt she was the clear winner of she ran out of things and didn't seize the moment if you will. where she's dan allen does this help? christian: i learned something from watching her today. i have seen "the view". and number of time