>> lester spence, let's talk about it. >> that's it. in fact an argument can be made that you need to build a healthy distrust of police. in fact we think about it we haven't had a lot of conservative callers, but one thing conserve tiffatives are known for is a distrust and speptkepticism of government. they rarely apply it to policing in black communities. i think in this case, a healthy conservative -- i can't believe i'm saying it out loud -- skepticism on the police is warranted. it's not just about individual officers, how we deal with individual officers, but that also deals with the police as an institution. that skepticism can cause us to say, you know what i don't think it's a good idea that we extend -- give police 300% more resources, when all they're doing is anti-black my ingpolicing. >> michael fletcher who writes for the baltimore post had a piece after the protests began in baltimore about how people in gray's neighborhood tell you it's the black officers who come down just as hard on them. >> there's an ice cube vote,

guest: we will have lester spence respond.i think police training is a significant issue of contention from the data i have. baltimore spends 57 times more on swat teams than on police community relations. that is something that is really important. police, as far as their training on how to deal with violence, they train consistently to be punitive as opposed to more nonviolent approaches. so there is a whole suite of policies that we can implement in order to make police act more humanely. as far as the booker t. washington thing, i have seen a bit on the washington versus dubois case. businesses owned by the worker -- there has been a push in baltimore from a number of activists for more worker cooperatives as opposed to kind of business development where you might have a black capitalist make money, but lack workers make less. the worker court -- you might have a black capitalist make money, what black workers make less. and provide kind of a ranging need for those communities and offer -- offer to employ a number of them.

guest: we will have lester spence respond. guest: i think police training is a significant issue of contention from the data i have. baltimore spends 57 times more on swat teams than on police community relations. that is something that is really important. police, as far as their training on how to deal with violence they are trained consistently to be punitive as opposed to more nonviolent approaches. so there are a whole suite of policies that we can implement in order to make police act more humanely. as far as the booker t. washington thing, i have seen a bit on the washington versus dubois piece. creating businesses owned by the workers, and there has been a push in baltimore from a number of activists for more worker cooperatives as opposed to kind of business development where you might have a black capitalist make money, but black workers make less. the worker cooperative can provide a range of needs for those communities. one of your charges about incarceration is that once you have a record, nobody wants to hire you

host: lester spence, associate professor of political science at johns hopkins university. you can follow him on twitter and go to leicesterspent -- to leicester-- twoo lesterspence.com. thank you for watching "washington journal. we will bed back -- we will be back tomorrow morning at 7:00 a.m. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2015] announcer: new attorney general loretta lynch will make her first appearance on capitol hill today since appearing -- since taking office. the senate appropriations subcommittee meets at 10:30 eastern, live on c-span. later today defense secretary ashton carter is expected to brief reporters, joined by the outgoing chairman of the joint chiefs, general martin dempsey. and voters in the united kingdom are making parliamentary choices around the nation. polls close at 10:00 p.m. local time, 5:00 p.m. eastern in the u.s. coverage will include extensive interviews from across the country. and stu

then lester spence will look at racial and socioeconomic factors creating division in america's inner cities. those conversations and your calls and e-mails. our show is live at 7:00 a.m. eastern, 4:00 pacific on c-span. >> here are a few of the book festivals we will be covering on c-span2's book tv. we will visit maryland for the gators bill -- gaithersburg book festival with martin frost and david axelrod. we will close out may at book expo america in new york city, where the publishing industry showcases upcoming books. in the first week in june, we are live for the chicago tribune lit fest with lawrence wright and your phone calls on c-span2's book tv. senator cochran: the committee will please come to order. today, we review the budget request of the department of defense. we are very pleased to welcome secretary of defense ash carter and general martin dempsey of the u.s. army. this is the final schedule hearing of the year on the 2016 budget request. the subcommittee recognizes the uncertainty of the current fiscal environment and the impact it has on the department of defense

lester spence is here and apparently you all know each other a lot. so talk to me a little bit. response of young people in baltimore. initially i would not have expected that while we were having this conversation there would be in kind of enthusiasm at the table. but in fact it looks like the comments yesterday from mosby really have changed the feeling and tenor of what's happening. >> yeah, well i mean one of the things that i was think was beautiful about yesterday was just the public displays of love and camaraderie particularly amongst black folk. the avenue where it's a historic place, a place where in the '50s you had a lot of black artists and social institutions that were there. and to me what's so amazing where now you see a lot of boarded-up hosing see a lot of the problems affecting urban america. but you saw black people out in the streets, celebrating, hugging each other. we're out there giving away food and giving away pamphlets that have information about how to deal with law enforcement, just talking about the work that we're doing and getting people informati

then race and urban policing with lester spence.hington journal live on c-span with your coverage and tweets tomorrow morning. now, a conversation from this morning's washington journal on asymmetrical warfare. hour, we will head to fort ap help military base in virginia where pager will pick it up from here. host: the reason we are on this base, it is about an hour and a half south of washington dc. the reason we are here is a -- is it is the site of asymmetrical warfare training. complete with multilevel buildings, a subway, a train station, even underground tunnel . the purpose is to have u.s. troops develop skills needed to fight in urban conflict zones. here to join us about the center and its mission is colonel john petkosek. he is the commander of the u.s. army asymmetric warfare group. thank you for joining us. guest: thank you for having me. host: can you tell us about these buildings behind us? guest: what i'd like to do is just put it into context in terms of why we have the training center here. the asymmetric warfare gr

joining us later lester spence a political science professor at johns hopkins university.e will discuss racial and socioeconomic factors creating divisions in america's inner cities. plus your facebook comments and tweets and emails. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2015] host: good morning everyone on this thursday, may 7th. loretta lynch will be testifying, talking about the budget for law enforcement agencies. we will have live coverage here on c-span at 10:30 this morning. and discuss the deaths of freddy gray and others and debate about crime and policing. we will begin here

topic of reparations, but in terms of government investment, johns hopkins university professor lester spence was on our program last week and he talked about the need for new [video clip] >> there has been a suite of government policies that have extorted wealth from black people and moved it. whether you are talking about housing policies that consistency that consistently label black labor -- black neighborhoods as not worthy of investment. you're talking about policies that routinely cause black people to get less anchor their walk as far as taxes and education, the only way to deal with that is policy that puts money behind innovative situation -- innovative solutions. think about baltimore or detroit, where i am from. those areas were created by the g.i. bill, millions of dollars of spending. it was also created by the national highway defense act. millions of dollars in spending. i don't see how we all of a sudden switch and say government does not work when it comes to dealing with liberal and radical needs. guest: he is partially right. i think innovation is what we need. what he doe