. >> before we go to tony, let me ask john. the book that you wrote was such a commentary on how we train or fail to train lawyers. you know, in the typical method that we teach in law school. that book and that story "the paper chase," what were you saying about the way in which -- i mean, when i went to law school, the emphasis was to become a corporate lawyer. there was very little emphasis placed on being a people's lawyer. or somebody like a tony sarah. what are your thoughts on that? you've practiced. you're a law professor. recently retired. you've taught at a number of different schools. any thoughts on that? >> well, yes, i have lots of thoughts on it. i went to harvard law school. and believe me, when i was there, there was no legal aid at all. everybody was become a corporate lawyer. there was no question about it. you didn't even think about it. it would never even dawn on anybody. i don't think that anybody knew that there were defense attorneys. you know? anyway, at its heart that little clip said something, i thi

let me ask you, john avlon, you've been down there a lot. you've seen some of their brochures and things. >> if you read occupy the machine or any of the basic anarchist guides, you do get a sense of the professional protester element in this. they've got an agenda way beyond income and equality. some lines talk about 500 years of genocide -- >> taking land from the american indians. >> yes. that's not a useful argument to make. here's what the tea party did quickly. take a populist political movement. that's been one of the interesting choices going forward for occupy. even liberal allies like portland mayor says, i sympathize with your goals. what issues are they going to take? continue talking about income equality? great. what to do about it? are you going to talk about crony capitalism? great. then what specific plans s do want to put forward? >> right, laws you want to change. allowing the banks to be as big as they were. very specific things you could put on the table. >> absolutely. things in the news. take on the crony capitalism. l

. >> let me ask you this, john. he said he saw it in the grand jury paterno said he wasn't told that detail. let me go back to you, mr. fallon. why would somebody go home, tell their daddy, and they should not tell the horrific thing he saw when they went to paterno the next day. that doesn't pass the smell test to me. >> it's pretty smelly here, too. i can tell you why someone would go home -- i certainly know from the priest abuse scandals, people saw things they couldn't believe, but it's strains credibility to say he we aren't home, spoke to his father, his father said tell the coach and he's going to say, coach, i saw him fooling around in the shower. you would be telling him what you told your father, how horrific it was. they'll try to water it down all the way. mcqueary would be in trouble -- he's already testified, so i don't think anybody is out of the woods. we all say why didn't he go to the police? you don't know me, but i think there should be an obligation to tell the police. the laws are not written l

. >> john, let me ask you real quickly. he's trying to give a different spin on this.he koch brothers group, americans for prosperity, they are running this ads of misinformation. let me show you quickly. >> they told us the sky would fall and wisconsin would end as we know it, but the sky is still there, and wisconsin is stronger than ever. we cut spending by asking government employees to contribute to their own pensions and benefits, like everyone else, and reining in abuses of collective bargaining positions, to put taxpayers back in control. >> this is funded by the billionaire koch brothers, john. misinformation? is it misinformation? >> well, yes, it's misinformation, first of all, but more importantly the koch brothers don't live in wisconsin, they do not live here, but what they want to do is want to come in and take over our schools and take over all the public sector jobs that are out there. yeah, it's misinformation. there was never abuses of collective bargaining like the ad said, but, again, what scott walker is going to do is hide he hind hundreds of mil

john, let me ask you about the political aspects of this. we're not a court of law, but i'm thinking that -- we've heard a lot of murky, we've heard a lot of buzz. everybody talks about what they think they've heard as the best reporting on this. but this isn't reporting. this isn't the media. this is a woman with a clear-cut memory, apparently, or an accusation of a memory which is stark as hell? >> yeah. and i think it's conceivably a watershed moment in this whole episode. as you said, and i'll draw it out a little bit further, herman cain last week had a series of allegations and a series of facts that became known. each day, they got a little worse, to my eye. but they all were still confined to stories by the reporters at politico to quotes from settlement documents to comments by lawyers on behalf of alleged vikts. but we had no face, no human being. now we have this woman who i thought came across as credible on tv. she did not come across as flaky. she didn't come across as someone who was in some way not to be believed on the face

and if that base is not motivated, you know, ask a candidate like john mccain how well that turns out for you. >> well, let me ask you, bloomberg had a poll out earlier this week in iowa that essentially showed a four way tie in the state including mitt romney right there with 18%. slightly behind herman cain and ron paul at 19% and 20%. is there a spot for mitt romney? he seems to think perhaps not. they are keeping it, to your point, they have kept iowa largely at arm's length after he played very heavily there in '08. is this a state that mitt romney can win and what is your assessment of why he stayed, largely stayed away at least to date? >> well, first of all, to answer your first question, it is testi definitely a state he can win. if you look back at 2008 you had romney, guiliani, cain, thompson, and mike huckabee. mike huckabee was the natural outlyer conservatives could rally around and we launched him out of the state of iowa. this time we have a full field with gingrich and santorum and bachmann and perry and cain and paul all going after a lot of that huckabee base and now romney becomes the outl

martha: let me ask you, it's interesting, because john kerry and patty murray apparently said they don'tmber. they don't like the twhai the republicans raised the revenue that they raised in this deal, and as you say, you know, there doesn't seem to be any interest -- all the talk we've had, we had the midterm elections about really cutting spending and government waste and yet, it sounds like none of that is happening in this meeting. with the supercommittee. >> martha, we really don't have a tax problem. we have a spending problem. and we're still spending more now than we did last year. we passed spending bills last week to spend more next year than they we did this year, so we won't deal with the spending. the general accounting office has given us hundreds of programs full of waste, they duplicate each other. there's no reason we can't go through these, and if we turn welfare back to 2007 spending levels, we could save almost 2 1/2 trillion dollars over the next ten years. so the spending cuts are available without hurting people. martha: let me ask you this. you know, it seems like

john summers, and tony frat, good to see you there. let me askcause you've been there most recently with harry reid. people seem so far apart. is there a point where the leaders, we saw harry reid and john boehner getting together this week. will they come and rescue this at the last minute? >> we've got six days to go and six days in washington as we all know here at this table is a very long time. they do have the possibility of coming up with a deal. they are very far apart but american families watching this are hopeful they'll come up with a deal. making very difficult choices right now, sitting at the kitchen table trying to decide what bills to pay, trying to get a good education and live the american dream. they watch what's going on here in washington right now. i think they are frustrated because of lack of leadership on the republican side in congress. i have to disagree with speaker boehner, no surprise to you, democrats have taken a position. we have agreed to all of the cuts that the republicans put on the table with the exception o

. >> let me ask you about the relationship between barry goldwater and john kennedy. both can to the senate together in 1952. >> they had affection for each other. one barry goldwater was rising in the early 1960's, he was very much compared to john kennedy. this handsome, charismatic guy. there was a famous store they talked about campaigning together and writing the same campaign trail and debating each other lincoln and douglas style. this is often taken as a testament of this old civil time. i suspect that john kennedy was speaking cynically and thinking if he could get this guy on a platform and forced into mouth his what were then unpopular views, i can wipe the floor with him. >> history changed in dallas on november 22, 1963 following the assassination of president kennedy. senator barry goldwater said this. >> he was a very decent fellow. he is the kind of an antagonist that i have always enjoyed. he would fight like a wildcat for his points and his principles. there was never anything personal about it. i imagine that i have debated the president more on the

john. let me ask you first, what do you make of this potential lawsuit against politico?an and should a presidential campaign try to sue over bad press? >> anybody can sue anybody in the united states of america. i view it as a bit of a stretch and i think it is part of the reaction of the cain campaign to push back to try to get people to rally around him to perceive him as somehow a victim here. would you have to prove -- randi, you know the business we work in. they'd have to prove some malice or intent, some libel. politico says mr. cain himself has conceded there were settlement so based on everything i know today i would say it is a legal stretch and a big legal stretch but it is part of the political debate i think more than any legal debate. as you know, john, herman cain isn't just sore at politico, he's also pointing some fingers at rick perry's campaign. you sat down with rick perry yesterday. what did he tell you? >> rick perry was here in iowa. his campaign has been struggling as well. the last thing he needs right now is some character questions. herman cain

want to thank you so much for joining us tonight and let me first ask you what it is that you think is going on here we hear these comments coming from john boehner or other politicians on the right do they really think that the reset was a bad idea that it needs to be rethought or are they just trying to push on the everything that obama does is wrong i think the letter. said commentary see we're into are silly season he'll be in his because. mostly. he. was wrong now graham you recently wrote a piece entitled ten reasons why russia matters so we'll get to the specifics but first give us a broad overview. well i did actually your your intro to a point that the if you look at baen or speech which deserves to be looked at because he is after all speaker of the house he basically fundamentally misunderstands the fact that russia matters usually to american national interests that is russia's choice that it's easier to do have been run by big impacts on the security and well being of the u.s. so just who is going to make it to front so which nation over the last twenty years has done the most appropriate to the spread of nuclear weapons to o

. >> john, let me ask you something.e and update and upgrade its military. with the stated goal of controlling its own backyard. china has economic interests and political interests around the world, but don't really completely mesh with american interests. and a lot of money, american dollars, to be frank, to push its own agenda. so, should the united states have a more, a more intertwined, economic and defense policy towards china? >> you know, i believe what we need to do as americans is that we have to be competitive. we have to grow our economy more actively. but in terms of defense and china. how would we feel if the chinese opened up a base in mexico? i think we need to understand that the people who need to be concerned about the defense of asia are the japanese, the koreans and the indians, not us. >> the chinese are, i will tell you something, the chinese are buying up chinese owned companies, state-owned companies are buying up huge shipping ports. the choke holds and different places around the world. yeah, y

asking now, or else. that's next. >>> let me finish tonight with this. as a student in the 1930s, young jack kennedy heard head master st. johnrite maxim, a youth who loves his alma mater will always ask, not what she can do for me, but what i can do for her. when it was time for the challenge of the cold war, those words stuck. ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. it was a call to duty. it was a very personal invitation. he wasn't going to do this alone, he said. the 234u frontier was not going to be a solo act. jack kennedy was going to be our leader. he would create the peace corps and alliance for progress, boosting the space program, calling up troops to meet the berlin crisis, calling for civil rights for all americans. his presidency was not going to be a spectator sport, something to sit back, watch and judge. that's what the obama presidency needs, the sense of the part of the american public of being called to join in the effort. it is felt most by all who voted for him with enthusiasm. cried on election night. got swept up in his inaugural fever. there are certain basics t

john adams because they are at tremendous odds. it was great inter-american drama. >> biography. let me first ask you -- you may, about autobiography. yeah, the you're not a fan. >> i'm a great fan of reading them more and autobiography which i could live on. i try to think if i ever edited one. i gobble them down one after another. >> because you have seen both sides of this, what is the difference between a biography and autobiography? >> the wonderful thing about an autobiography is he not have to understand anything about yourself. the funny thing about the cleopatra book, that i'm sure other biographers notices well, when you have a subject will not reveal him or herself, the biographer has no choice but to step onto the page a little bit more. there's a lot more of me in that book. as little as i have in common with cleopatra, there is a lot more of me in that book than in any of the others. i found that a little bit frightening. with the other books, i was has some sort of touched down, or a model of the genre. with the cleopatra book, i did not know anything about the tone or stands i wan

john adams, they were at tremendous of. it was a drama. it was the moment america gained its independence. >> let me ask you, you make a comment but of a biography. you are not a big fan. >> i'm a fan of reading memoirs. i am trying to think if i ever edited one. i am sure i did. i cannot think of writing one. >> because you have seen both sides, what is the difference? >> the thing about biography is you do not have to reveal or understand anything about yourself. the thing i noticed with the cleopatra book, i'm sure others have noticed this, you have no choice but to step on the page more. there is more of me in that book. there is more of me in that book than in any of the others. i am much more neutral, objective and i am in that last book. i had no model. the other books i had some touchstone. with the clip after book, i did not know anything that had the tone or stand i wanted to take. i thought about other subjects that were difficult. subjects were there was little documentation. there is nothing that took the approach of wanted to take. it was very frightening. i was not sure where i wanted to start this book in terms of her. >> what wa

john glen of the stereo hogs. >> i'm tracy of the stereo hogs. >> i'm tray bad. >> kg. i'm justin. >> guys, all right. let me asku were great last night. one of the hosts asked how you felt last night and you said blessed. elaborate on that. has it sunk in. >> we are really blessed to be here. the opportunity was great. they put us on a worldwide stage, you know. i'm really proud of my guys. they did a great job, you know. it's kind of crazy. it all happened last night. thinks live. so like we have not really even watched the show. i mean it's crazy. we are blessed. >> i tell you what, when you watch it -- when you watch it, paula really was torn and it appeared to me that she wanted to not vote. she wanted to abstain but then it was pointed out if she abstained, that meant you guys were did he have in thely gone. what was going through as all of this was happening? >> not really much. we were just happy to be up there, you know, happy for the opportunity to sing to america and sing live. we wanted to do this ever since we were kids, you know, and our dreams come true. from that moment on, we were just blessed t

can come up during the cnbc debate last week when john harwood asked newt gingrich what he did or his firm or he as a consultant to earn $300,000. let melay that tape for you. >> your firm was paid $300,000 in 2006. what did you do for that money? >> are you asking me? >> yes. >> i offered them advice precisely what they didn't do. when they walked in and said to me we are making loans to people with no credit history and have no record of paying back anything but that's what the government wants us to do. i said to them at the time this is a bubble. this is insane. this is impossible. >> i guess you can take from that it all would have been fine if they would have listened to newt. >> i think he is saying that, too. he will have to answer that question a little bit furter. that's the kind of money i'm talking about. $300,000 to go newt gingrich to tell people something they should already know what are they doing with the money they already have. maybe shea should pause and do something for the american people, my con stit wents who are in pain. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> and preem bsupreme battle. plus, can angry wiscon

. >> let me ask you, charlie, why did john huntsman never become the alternative to romney?> jon huntsman is -- has a great record as governor, ambassador, he is a smart person. it was always going to be very difficult to step out of the obama administration. my belief is that people, they held him at arm's length because he has served in the administration. he would have been better off to run later. i hope he will run later he would be a good president. >> which states do you believe are key to president obama's success? >> there are 12 of them. nine of those states afflict between 2004 and 2008. -- flipped between 2004 and 2008. those are the states that are in play all the time. iowa, new hampshire, new mexico, colorado, arizona, florida, virginia. those are the states. if you go to purple strateg ies.com, it breaks down those 12 states. it will be updated monthly and it is always there for you to look at it. it breaks them down by partisan affiliations, region. if you look at independents in those states, they are the people were going to decide to the president of the

let go. he told me this morning. his name is john murdoch. and i askedrom here not being able to occupy the park? what does it mean for you? take a listen. >> it means it's not about a physical space per se. it is now worldwide. the terms of the debate have changed around, and the deal is now we have to evolve. this means it might get harder, but now it's more important than ever. i don't think anybody's going to like bloomberg's tactics. >> reporter: that's the sentiment here. you're seeing some very silent protests, if you will. this man holding an american flag, facing off with a police officer. you also see those in yellow vests. i'm told those are private security for the park. also, let's not forget, suzanne, that overnight the mayor's office said the protesters would be allowed in in the morning. >> poppy, requestly, before i let you go, i had a chance to visit briefly where you are. are these the folks that are talking about income and equality? are these other folks, whether they are homeless or other people have different issues, who have come

. >> let me ask you about the relationship between barry goldwater and john kennedy. they came to the senate together in a bit too. >> yes, in fact, when barry goldwater was rising, he was very much compared to kennedy. handsome, charismatic guy. very famous story that they talked about campaigning together, writing the same campaign plane, and debating each other lincoln and douglas style. this was often taken as a testament of the more civil times. i suspect that john f. kennedy was thinking cynically and thought if he could get the guy on a platform and force him to mouth is what were very than unpopular views, he quite the floor with them. i am not so sure it was this magnanimous act on kennedy put the car. >> history changed in dallas following the assassination of president kennedy. senator barry goldwater said this. >> he was a very decent fellow. he was a gentleman. he is the kind of antagonist that i have always enjoyed. he would fight like a wildcat for his principles, but there was never anything personal about it. i imagine that i debated as a president mo

that's a clip of president obama, then senator obama, mocking john mccain for saying that, the romney campaign is standing by the ad. let me ask you this, does the president's team lose by even engaging in this with somebody who's not even the nominee yet? >> well, a deceitfulness in politics, who would have thought! there's going to be nasty politics on both sides, both the president's reelection team and mitt romney's or newt gingrich, whoever wins the nominee, they're going to be engaged in this. politics is a blood sport. you have to pick your spots when you go after the other side for being too nasty and some are assuming -- are saying why fight it now, because there's always going to be dirty tricks played on both sides. that's part of the game. megyn: we'll continue to follow it, bob, thank you very much. >> thanks megyn. megyn: here's the deal, the president is hitting the gop hard on protecting millionaires, that's how the president puts it, while mitt romney is going after the president for, quote, failing america on the economy, these two going head to head in new hampshire, which is a critical not just primary stat

ask p.j. o'roarke what he thinks of the republicans running. let me begin with the love of other people's misery. >>> we start with the search for newt gingrich. john harris is editor in chief of politico and david corn is washington bureau chief for "mother jones" magazine and an msnbc political analyst. to greats on the show. thank you, david, thank you, john. a big day for polls today, and none more stunning than this new cnn opinion research poll that shows that newt gingrich has jumped from 8% to 22% in less than a month. he's now neck and neck at the top with mitt romney while herman cain has dropped more than ten points. so basically, a switcheroo, john harris. cain has lost his place to newt. what's happening? >> well, it shows that there is a group of shoppers in the republican party, who are shopping for anybody but mitt romney. that's been the case for the past six months. we've seen it, various people go up and down, as cain is now facing some trouble in polls. a politico/george washington poll found his support eroding, especially as people learn more about the sexual harassment allegations. we've seen them shopping for somebody else.