used to use all forces. they're not a big threat to a major city. they can be taken on by forces that are much smaller. i believe that we can let the afghans handle this because we have such fantastic air. tavis: your a vietnam veteran. -- you are a vietnam veteran. >> marine. tavis: there have been so many comparisons between vietnam and afghanistan. when the comparison was first made, ted kennedy when he was alive made that comparison. he got concern from a lot of different people. i have heard other people make that comparison. what is your sense of that comparison now between vietnam and afghanistan? >> i think vietnam is ancient history, and it is hard to make the comparison even though i thought there. the way we treat our troops today is terrific. the troops know it and appreciate it, and that is not the case in the past. this country has a vibrancy to it that is terrific. we are able to distinguish between missions we may not like as individuals, and still represent a fine view towards our people, towards our soldiers and marines and say, god bless you. the one thing i see a similarity, and i bring this out, in vietnam, land mines were a problem. in afghanistan, this is cost -- this is called an improvised explosive device. this is the single biggest killer of our forces. all it is is one wire goes to an explosive and the other wire goes to a battery, flashlight battery, and when you put them together and you are walking along, if you step on this, it makes the connection, and the explosive goes off. the first patrol i was on two weeks ago, the marine at point found four of these devices as we were moving along. tavis: they look so simple. >> what is extraordinary, our soldiers and marines go out every single day knowing they will bump into that, and they stay with the mission every single day. that takes long-term career. because they know they will bump into them. it is not a question of if, it is a question of when. tavis: tell me, it in the book, 10 years later, in this war, what are these officers, the soldiers doing? >> what our soldiers do every day, story after story, in the mountains and down south, they go out to push back the intimacy. i understand that. that is a military mission. then they are giving every -- they are giving millions of dollars to the locals and helping them build projects. then they go into the districts and say to the governor, we will help you with governments of this area. at that particular point, we have moved far beyond the military mission. our soldiers simultaneously our project engineers, governors, and fighters. i say to myself, as much as i love our soldiers and i know we can do all of this, why are we doing all of this? we have gone too far. winn't believe we will ever the hearts and minds of the tribes over there. most of them are hurtling headlong into the 10th century. they will accept evewhatever we give to them. but we should expect them to stand up for themselves. tavis: tell me why you think that military and military operations and diplomatic operations cannot coexist. why can't they work together? >> the issue is a little bit. when i find a battalion commander spending more than 50% of his time on economics or governments, i say, stopped, we have gone over the line. he has forgotten what his primary mission should be. tavis: is that not preferred to fighting and losing officers? if you wire winning hearts and minds, which i assume means when not losing the lives of soldiers, it isn't that good? >> is perfect if that is what was happening. you just articulated the true social contract. we go to a villager some place and say, we will give you some protection, money, governance, and return you the people must reject the taliban, you must tell us with the taliban are, and you must betrays someone. common sense, the people say i will take all the money it can give me, i will take all the protection, but you are not if you think i will keep that part of the bargain. we have created a theory of counterinsurgency in afghanistan that is wrong. that is not what we did in vietnam and it is not what turned the tide in iraq. what is going to happen in afghanistan is a showdown that a showdownwin. the showdown will be between the afghan security forces and the taliban. they always say, we believe the taliban will come back once the americans pull out. that is the acid test. i hope people really understand that and get to that point. tavis: i want to ask specifically about a soldier, and the soldiers. tell me about corporal meyer. >> extraordinary individual. i hope that he gets the medal of honor. this is classic. he was in a battle in a valley where they were trapped. 200 people were trapped. they were under such intense fire that the