. >> for the second part-- lete just jump in on the second part of this-- "inside washington, it may be 1,000 bucks to ha dinner with joe moakley. frankly, i would rather be home with my kids." does joe moakley come to these dinners, saying, "i don't want to be here either, but i need the grand"? and do the lobbyists go there saying, "i don't want to be here, but here's the grand"? >> right, and so you almost wish that they could find a way just to redistribute the money without having to go to the social occasions, except it's illegal, i guess, to just trade bags of money nowadays. i mean, it's done in a much more subtle way. but, you know, the reason that paul equale wants to keep joe moakley happy, or the joe moakleys of the world, ithat when he makes a phone call or he wants to gain access to make his case for something, that he can get in the door. what it does is it buyyou access and it buys you the benefit of the doubt. >> i think you made a good point, though. i think there is a lot of sort of automated money exchanging here, the so-called "parties," you know, quotes. you cou