professor letizia paoli from the leuven institute of criminology. clearly a significant moment.tacks in rome, milan and firenze. and for this reason, his arrest is very important. but it took 30 years to find him. and the fact that he was able to escape the authorities for 30 years suggest that there is still a very powerful network infrastructure, particularly in sicily, defending these kind of people. indeed, the reasons matteo messina denaro would enjoy for many years protections of a network of family members, but also members of his mafia families and acquaintances that protected him. he clearly also had connections with several local politicians. and, so this is obviously a bad sign. so, it shows that the sicilian mafia still has considerable power locally. on the other hand, if one takes a kind of midterm perspective, it's clear, also, that the italian state has achieved incredible successes against the mafia since the early 90s. and finally, professor, would you expect this arrest to be the start of a broader shift against the mafia? well, i think it's more the culminati