same thing with leviathan states.ders of civilians by government happen by just three of the worst leviathans in the 20th century. so it's not fair to say that. informs, it -- in fact, it was rudy rommel who tallied up how many people have been murdered by their own governments. it's staggering. it's in the hundreds of millions. but then he showed democracy as a method of nonviolence, some governments are better than others. so this was first put forth by e man call conte -- emanuel conte in his book entitled "perpetual peace" t in which he said democracy, trade and membership in international community. and this has been confirmed by many social scientists, political scientists. russ et t and o'neill tested this, for example, using the correlates of war projects of 2300 militarized interstate disputes from 1816 to 2001. plus the polity project that assigned, you know a 1-10 scale for each democracy found that when both countries are fully democratic conflicts between them decrease by 50%. when the less democratic mem

same thing with the leviathan state.ings, murders of civilians by government happened by just three of the worst leviathans of the tone century. so it's not fair to say that. route kind of made the distinction between his first book death by government telling of how many people been murdered by their own government. it's staggering, in the hundreds of millions. but then he should democracy as a method of nonviolence, some governments are better than others. this was first put forth by immanuel kant in his book ironically titled perpetual peace. he said sort of the triangle of peace, democracy, trade and membership and international community. this has been confirmed by many social scientists, political scientists. this was tested using the projects of 2300 militarized interstate disputes from making 16-2001 as the project that assigned the one to discover each democracy found that when both countries are fully democratic conflicts between themand decreased by 50% to win the last democratic member conflicts increased by

two summers ago a film called "leviathan" was made. a film making waves. it's the story of a mechanic father and husband who falls victim to a corrupt local mayor. it's won award at the golden globes and cannes and is nominated for an oscar. domestically praise is less forthcoming. "leviathan"'s themes are relevant yirp in the world, where ordinarily people can be affected by corruption. it's in this is made in russia this made the authorities uncomfortable. it's not accurate they say, because the character swear and swig vodka doesn't make them russian. the cultural ministry suggested it will not give money for cloomy projects again. the initial head here spoke against the film but is giving measured statements. >> translation: this is artistic. it's not about this area it's only filmed here. >> reporter: as we left another film crew arrived. people here had to get used to cameras and questions. the film has not been properly released but villagers were given an advanced screening. >> translation: this is a good film about life. they showed it as it is. t

one of the films up for awards is leviathan. it is earning accolades.ious controversy over whether it undermines vladimir putin. cnn's matthew chance has more for us from moscow. >> reporter: against the backdrop of russia's barren north it is bleak and corrupt. >> translator: the corruption in the movie is absolutely objective and recognized by everyone. it is enough to say that our government itself declares fighting corruption as one of their own priorities not to mention that russia is a completely corrupt state just means to lie. >> reporter: it follows the life of a mechanic used by his friends, unloved by his wife and abused by authority. and a crooked man takes a liking to his home on the isolated shore and is evicted by the courts. but asimovy goers here in russia can now see for themselves. collier's lock then takes a turn for the worst. it's a depressing end to a very dark film very far from the image of the country russian officials are keen to promote. from a technical viewpoint, the acting the camera work, leviathan is made in a very talen

we cannot unlock the potential of every american in this nation until we get the leviathan the federal government off the backs of this economy. and i believe it takes leadership, and citizenship, in order that that would happen. and finally, we must restore american leadership in the world. the world is a more dangerous and a more tragic place when america is not leading. i have had the great privilege of traveling the world and i know most of the world leaders on the world stage today. and i know that in every problem, there is an opportunity. i have met vladimir putin and it is very clear when you spend any time with him at all this is -- that his ambition cannot be stopped by a gimmicky red reset button. this is an opportunity for the nation to lead, to rebuild the nato alliance, to convince european partners they must invest more heavily in their own defense. and there is an opportunity to rebuild the eastern european defenses which the president foolishly and unilaterally withdrew. i know netanyahu and i know that he is coming not to poke a stick in the presence i or guest: -- --

he said that if there was one state with a sovereign leviathan, then war would be stamped out. but the problem is that he would have substituted tyranny for war. and as we look around the world, a lot of people seem to prefer violence to tyranny. so the hobbs solution doesn't seem to quite work unless you're willing to succumb to tyranny. so in his view violence diminishes the more pulley that some author -- fully that some authoritative regime is able to secure peace in a territory. well it's true in a way. what happens then is that violence is kind of internalized. when we have less crime in the society at large we often have more crime in prisons. we, you know, we move the locus of criminal activity. so, you know, violence war, these are with us. we are not angels. we have to learn p -- learn to control, and we have to learn what they really do. we have to learn what they mean. >> host: professor ginsburg could an alternative title for your book, "the worth of war," be "real politic"? >> guest: yes, the way the germans say it -- [speaking german] yes. it is a work applying,

we cannot unlock the potential of every american in this nation until we get the leviathan the federalovernment off the backs of this economy. and i believe it takes leadership, and citizenship, in order that that would happen. and finally, we must restore american leadership in the world. the world is a more dangerous and a more tragic place when america is not leading. i have had the great privilege of traveling the world and i know most of the world leaders on the world stage today. and i know that in every problem, there is an opportunity. i have met vladimir putin and it is very clear when you spend any time with him at all that his ambition cannot be stopped by a gimmicky red reset button. this is an opportunity for the nation to lead, to rebuild the nato alliance, to convince european partners they must invest more heavily in their own defense. and there is an opportunity to rebuild the eastern european defenses which the president foolishly and unilaterally withdrew. i know benjamin netanyahu and i know that he is coming not to poke a stick in the president's i, not that he has

he said that if there was one state with a sovereign leviathan, then war would be stamped out. but the problem is that he would have substituted tyranny for war. and as we look around the world, a lot of people seem to prefer violence to tyranny. so the hobbs solution doesn't seem to quite work unless you're willing to succumb to tyranny. so in his view violence diminishes the more pulley that some author -- fully that some authoritative regime is able to secure peace in a territory. well it's true in a way. what happens then is that violence is kind of internalized. when we have less crime in the society at large we often have more crime in prisons. we, you know, we move the locus of criminal activity. so, you know, violence war, these are with us. we are not angels. we have to learn p -- learn to control, and we have to learn what they really do. we have to learn what they mean. >> host: professor ginsburg could an alternative title for your book, "the worth of war," be "real politic"? >> guest: yes, the way the germans say it -- [speaking german] yes. it is a work applying,

he said that if there was one state that the sovereign leviathan, war would be stamped out. but the problem is that he would have substituted tyranny for war. as we look around the world, a lot of people seem to prefer violence to tierney. so the hubby she and solution doesn't seem to quite work unless you're willing to succumb to tyranny. so pinker is habitation. in his view, violence diminishes more fully than some authoritative regime is able to secure peace territory. well, it is true in the way. what happens then is the violence is kind of in turn allies. when we have less time in a society, we often have more crime in prison. we move the locus of criminal activity. so you know violence, war these are with us. we are not angels. we have to learn to control and we have to learn what they really do. we have to learn what they mean. >> host: professor ginsberg, could an alternative title for your book, "the worth of war" a politic. >> guest: yes, it is a work on the idea that political realism to another sphere. but my publisher, worker war what can i do. as you know, publ