faith riunga is the head of education at lewa.r picture, involving a huge challenge. first, the immediate needs of a lot of people. but also, potential conflicts with the traditional way of life. how have you been able to do what you've been able to do? >> tom: i was born in and brought up in a very strong pastoral background. we were really anti-anything about conservation. really anti, because one we had the perception that this is a government thing, this is about grabbing our land -- >> kamau: it probably doesn't help that a lot of that land is owned by white people, right? somebody else is owning our land. >> tom: initially. >> kamau: okay. >> tom: there's also a perception that conservations being driven by the white, and so it's not about the communities, it's not about us. it's about them. but you know, gradually, um, we came to realize that the approach that was being introduced was a community approach. >> faith: going back 13 years back, there was one girl who made it to high school. and she's speaking english, she's dr

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