linda says a young woman, that was monica lewinsky, working alongside me here at the pentagon in the public affairs public information office has made me aware that there is a relationship with the president, but most relevantly she's asking me to commit perjury. she has committed perjury herself and at the end of that phone call on that sunday nights i was actually a way an american bar association meeting in colorado and she said you know me, i'm linda tripp a witness in the vince foster junior investigation. so, that's how it came to be. we took steps, some of which have been criticized and criticism goes with the territory, but we verified what linda had told us. with the surreptitious tape recording come she had recorded a number of telephone conversations with monica and so we were reviewing those. of the fbi was-- well, we then had the famous episode at the ritz carlton which again has been severely criticized. conduct was vindicated in litigation reconfirmed in real time that this was exactly what was underway, namely monaco was encouraging linda to file a curious affidavit i

i was the chief white house correspondent during the whole lewinsky matter. i remember when i first got the job. i set in the little booth that cbs has behind the briefing room and i remember sitting there thinking to myself i hope something interesting happens while i'm here. six months later. bill owens who is now the executive producer of 60 minutes was my producer. he used to work for me and now i work for him. we worked very hard to break stories on the lewinsky matter and the president of course was working hard to lie to the country. the difference we have today is that our current president dashed just about everything including policy. mr. clinton kind of stuck to one subject matter when he was lying to the country which in retrospect would considered would be considered to be laudable but we broke a lot of stories and we talk about how we did it in the book including the story we broke on the evening news that the president for the first time in history had been subpoenaed to testify by a grand jury. >> one of the things that i found interesting in

the carpet and compared this to how the attorney general reacted with bill clinton and the monica lewinskywhich arguably the president having an affair far less of an issue, then obstruction ofjustice. and mueller is a republican this is not a... and he was appearing in front of a senate committee tomorrow which was predominantly republican dominated and house of representatives are going to have more questioning from democrats and the parties and alignments weather will get any more light thrown on this. and trump cells through the meeting in marches on. and coming to london. no doubt one of the subjects of our reviews in the future. in the meantime, we've got the front of the metro. we've got some pictures being released of princess charlotte, the official royal birthday pictures because she is about to turn four. four and forth in line. very gi’owi'i—up four and forth in line. very grown—up cardigan for a four—year—old. grown—up cardigan for a four-year-old. quite traditional, isn't it? the mum takes of the picture —— all of the pictures. member of the photographic society andi member o

i was f the chief white house correspondent at they white hoe during the whole lewinsky matter. i remember when i first got the job at the white house, naturally very excited about it. i sat in the little booth there in the west over wing behind thete briefing room and i remember sitting there thinking to myself,d boy, i ho something interesting happens while i'm here.s then six months later. so billl owens, who is now the executive producer of "60 minutes" was my producer at the white house. bill usedor to work for me. now i work for him. and so we worked very hard to break stories on the lewinsky matter, and the president, of course, was working very hard to lieth to the country. the difference we have today is that our current president tells falsehoods abouton just about everything, including policy. mr. clinton kind c of stuck to e subject matter when he was -- when he wasbl lying to the country, which in retrospect could be considered to be laudable a at this point. but bill and i broke a lot of stories, and we talk about how we did f it in the book, includg the story that

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i picked a whole lot of ms lewinsky and for as many supporters. the beaming president elect on his way to being sworn in embracing the enthusiastic crowd you know gracious a reality check for me not so long ago played the role of president in a popular t.v. comedy show. yes i have been voted in on the promise of change. and the country do not have to wait long for the new president to shake things up as he does of parliament only moments after being sworn in the present great justice scalia i dissolved the whole of nevada of the convocation didn't get called for elections which i hope will get a majority in parliament if a new president meets a backing off the house to tackle the cranes not means that a fucking economy and to make good on his promises to tackle corruption. another pressing issue is a simmering conflict in the us just claim $13000.00 lives to date so let's get already called for a ceasefire with the russian backed separatists but it's not clear if russia has a dialogue with the protesting president. so that's been caught in the sup

germany pipeline in kiev while attending the inauguration of a new ukrainian president volodymyr so lewinsky mr perry flatly flatly predicted north stream to sanctions legislation quote is going to the president and he will sign it according to reuters mr perry's host the new president mr selenski told for mr perry to push for increased sanctions those sanctions if and acted would add to an existing list of significant u.s. sanctions against russia but comments from officials of all involved in the nordstrom to project seem intended to convey an attitude somewhere between concerned and keeping an eye on it. the u.s. imposed sanctions against the venezuelan government have had an enormous negative impact on the country's economy the measures derived from private about access to international financial support and investment and its oil sector if the prize that the new bolivarian got republic would try to find an alternative to the dollar 4th international transaction last october they announced that venezuela would denominate oil transactions in europe not dollars and then in december the cou

we worked very hard to break stories on the lewinsky matter, and the president, of course, was working real hard to lie to the country. the difference we have today is that our current president tells falsehoods about just about everything, including policy. mr. clinton kind of stuck to one subject matter when he was lying to the country, which in retrospect, could be considered to be laudible at this point. bill and i broke a lot of stories, including the news that the president had for the first time in history been subpoenaed to testify by a grand jury. >> one of the things that i found interesting in the chapters that i did read, there were a lot of fed that bailed out banks at that time, and you really took a close look at what was going on in that chapter. it's interesting because i covered it at that time as well, how you chose him as an example of audacity. >> uh-huh. i spoke to him recently and i told him i'd written a chapter about him in my book and it was entitled "audacity," and he says, that will come as a surprise to my wife. >> he's very mild-mannered. >> i described hi

out of existence in 1999 out of pique at ken starr and the whitewater investigation in the monica lewinsky matter and so for the last 20 years we've not had the benefit of an independent counsel that meant that muller was bound by determinations made by the department of justice which is run by donald trump's appointee william barr william barr believes in a very strong president and we so far as when the president is a republican and bill bars justice to pour department continued an interpretation which said that a president can never be indicted while sitting in office and so mower literally had no choice but to listen to his boss bill barr and so that is the mean reason why donald trump has not been indicted criminally as of this moment the house speaker nancy pelosi. a few moments ago she's being extremely cautious about this idea pietschmann but she's clearly under growing pressure right now. pressure is growing rapidly today just the sort of the act of muller speaking out the mower report which remains one of the most discussed but least read documents in the history of mankind i mea

overreaching when they when they had peach the president for what they called his actions with monica lewinsky and do you think there is a danger of that repeating itself is there or not that sites in the u.s. to see another u.s. presidents impeached well it's hard because at this time i don't think there is an appetite i think the majority of americans want to wait out of the 2020 lection however the report has not been has not been reviewed in its entirety there may be more things that come out there there's ongoing investigation of the specter the president's tax returns that could be like reveal even additional information but as it stands right now i don't think there's grounds for the impeachment but nonetheless i do think the investigations the hearings at least in the house of representatives will continue. this whole fight so we'll have to leave it up to thanks very much for bringing us your thoughts there thank you. there's a lot more assaults come on the user including ethnic serbs protest in kosovo after police arrest several people in one of the balkans most tense areas plus. it w

this is small potatoes in the lewinsky affair compared to the obstruction of justice of donald trump. don't say because clinton went up in the polls we shouldn't impeach donald trump. i think pelosi is the key and she's go having to to decide whether they join the impeachment movement or not and i think they need to in the next few weeks and they've got to get robert mueller to testify in front of the judiciary committee without a doubt. >> how do we know that nancy pelosi is right about this? she's got good track record and it's hard to argue. but isn't it possible she's wrong? >> it's also -- i think the reason she's pursuing the right strategy now is because we understand after almost 4 years of donald trump in american political life that you can't shaum the shameless. you can't use moral suasion against this guy because he doesn't have any morals. if you're going to go after him, you best get it. and in this case she knows she gets one shot at all this. if she blows it, they won't get him in the senate, which is a huge factor here. if they don't do the thing correctly in the hous

. >> that led to the revealing of the scandal with monica lewinsky so there is bad blood between the i thought this remark was extremely revealing and i'm astonished that a former president would admit in front of the public that he supports using the justice system for political payback and we can all remember the kavanaugh hearings when brett kavanaugh suggested what he was dealing with was in fact revenge for his investigations into the clintons and democrats had a meltdown over that suggestion and now when bill clinton says publicly that he did deserve this everyone is silent, nobody cares, democrats move on. >> i want to read you, if you happen to be a reporter at the time covering the starr report, brett kavanaugh privately with several other reporters at the time, said this, his eventual reporting model of fairness and thoroughness shot down all legitimate doubts and quite of the crackpots, clinton is wrongly blaming the one man who more than any other definitively concluded foster after death was a suicide rather than a clinton insider job, clinton should have spent 20 years

bill clinton and monica lewinsky, stormy daniels, donald trump, that's what happened.t wrong to say put avenatti on tv. >> he wasn't vetted. >> how do you vet a later? >> it's news worse think that he represented stormy daniels, but media made him a celebrity expert lawyer and tried to destroy kavanaugh's life by gang rape and then referred for lying on both sides of the political aisle. so just stop with the case about stormy daniels, which sure, newsworthy but extended to smear the supreme court nominee with no evidence. now they're not apologizing -- >> katie, we didn't know at the time -- >> there was no evidence for what he said. >> it was obvious. >> he was leaving a trail of dysfunction wherever he went. everybody knew it. >> he was arrested during that time. remember? >> i'm saying, he was on tv and he was a member -- i don't know if he's still a member of the bar. >> he got kicked out of his law firm. >> you guys wanted to discredit -- >> we don't have to discredit him. >> it's the media's job -- you're doing it retroactively. >> to your point, we deserve cred

about the president's response i actually served during the clinton administration during the monica lewinskyg to compartmentalize. what that meant was he was trying to do the work of people. working on child care, patient's bill of rights. his goal was to communicate to people. despite these investigation of me, i am still your president. i am still focused on your problems and if you remember, that kept his approval rating up during all of the scandal. >> before i let you go, what do you think is the most important thing for speaker pelosi and house democrats to legislate before this next election? . >> i think the next important thing is donald trump is communicating to the american people he doesn't care about the public issues. i think he is going to actually weaken his hand on impeachment issue. there is nothing else he is going to get to or focused on is his own self. >> what should they pass? >> i think the most important thing for her is to continue the oversight. donald trump is demonstrating that it is getting to him. >> that he's worried about his poll numbers. >> that he's worrie

investigation and there was nothing impeachable found except lying about having sexual relations with monica lewinsky. you have 500 members of the doj saying it's clear he obstructed justice and committed multiple felonies at the heart of the matter of what was being investigated. >> the person responsible for that did not find that. you have 500 people -- how many of those -- >> tell me what he found was a separate issue. he said i did not -- you guys decide. >> that's right. he didn't find. the reality is, those 500 people, how many dealt with an obstruction case with the president? i would suspect not 500 or close to that. this is a very unusual case. and to go out and i think was highly irregular and not helpful for them to go out and make this claim when most of them don't know what they are talking about. this is a very difficult case. nancy pelosi is trying to thread the needle. i think what she's trying to do is impeach the president without impeaching him. basically going through these investigations, causing him to divert all his attention on this issue and have this impeachment in a sense

information to congress in the case of watergate, in the case of ken starr's report on clinton and monica lewinsky. barr has refused to do that. this mieeting, we might see a contempt if they come up with an agreement. there is a fundamental clashing that i don't know if they'll be able to fix. ultimately, the justice department is saying congress doesn't needs to relitigate the mueller report, and congress is saying, yes, we do. mueller wanted us to. i don't know that they're going to get past that difference. >> rachel, thank you very much for your reporting on this. >>> we do have breaking news we want to tell you about this morning. secretary of state mike pompeo, he is on a trip overseas, and we are learning this morning it is taking an unexpected turn. he just cancelled a trip to berlin. he was due there, set to meet with the german chancellor angela merkel. we got word from the state department that trip was cancelled at the last minute. while this is going on, the press pool traveling with the secretary of state, they're not being told where they are going next. they have been told they ma

think when i talked to you in probably 1995, he was before da ica monica lewinsky.ee that time and again all the way through his presidency presidency. i think in the current era of 2018-2019 of the me, too, movement, there is somewhat of a reassessment of his behavior towards women, and i 2018-2019 of the me, think that's totally justified and the clinton.heel of bill brian lamb: did you a book on barack obama. end, did the text on that at what point in his life? david maraniss: that was even -- book on clinton, i'm fascinated by the formations, what shapes them, they are.re the way and i go back to look at that. ended bill clinton, it the day he announced for president, if little rock, arkansas, in 1991. obama, i didn't even get close to that. hope to write a second volume, out after his book comes and after there are archives at his presidential library. book was really an attempt to do two things. world that study the shaped him and how he reshaped himself. how he found his way. that book ends the day he drives off to harvard to go to law school. see his politic

you're obsessed about their sex life and putting him under oath asking him where he touched monica lewinsky know where he did it? he did it in the white house with an intern -- >> let her finish. >> someone who talks about the me too movement. >> it's not illegal. it's not right but it's not illegal. >> let her finish. >> listen to you, you just got done saying how wrong it is to do that when you participated in that. now you have a report that lays out a bunch of very questionable behavior, even if it's not illegal, that's problematic, and some of it may be illegal. there could be an obstruction of justice, and this was sent to congress and congress is doing their due diligence. but really what the president said today doesn't have anything to do with that. it has to do with the fact that nancy pelosi said something mean to him. he basically is saying, he can't do his job because she said something that upset him. is this how presidents are supposed to behave? >> it does seem, senator santorum, he talked about during the campaign a winning temperament. it seems like a whining temperament t

. >> that ultimately led to the revealing of a scandal with monica lewinsky, so clearly there are sometween the two but i thought this remark was extremely revealing and i am astonished that a former president would admit in front of the public that he supports using our justice system for political payback. of course we can all remember back to the brett kavanaugh hearings when brett kavanaugh suggested that what he was dealing with was in fact reveng revenge. revenge for his investigations into the clintons and the media democrats had a meltdown over that suggestion and now when he says this publicly, he did deserve this, everybody is silent and nobody cares. >> shannon: i want to redo something from the "washington examiner." he was a reporter at the time covering the report and he said that brett kavanaugh walked him through the signings. it said this, his report a model of fairness shot down all legitimate doubts and even provided some of the crackpots, clinton is wrongfully blaming the one man who more than any other definitively concluded that the death was indeed a suicide rath

right outside of his office door where he would say to her, well, i didn't do anything with monica lewinskywas just refreshing his memory with her, he wasn't trying to tell her what to say. the donald trump obstruction evidence is much clearer and solid than that, isn't it? >> in my judgment, yes. if you accept what don mcgahn the white house counsel has reported to have said, he was actually directed first to fire mueller. it's possibly an obstructive act but certainly obstructive when he was asked to create a false record of the earlier conversation and falsely deny that it had happened. that the a classic instance of tampering with a witness's memory and it was much blunter if you will, much more direct than the somewhat subtle efforts of president clinton. >> i wasn't any longer working with the impeachment and i remember when they started the process and knew oh, boy, this impeachment case is coming to the senate, we'll be jurors. a bunch of them expected to some day come across the passage that would explain to them what high crime and misdemeanor was. i can remember senator scholarly

president bill clinton for seeking to hide evidence of his affair with white house intern monica lewinsky. >> you don't even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this constitutional republic. if this body determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role. because impeachment is not about punishment. impeachment is about cleansing the office. impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office. juan: that was lindsey graham back in 1999. your reaction? >> he was eminently correct then andhis words are as sound eminently powerful now as they were then. it is not about committing a crime. no president has to committed crime to be impeached. hamilton, j, that and medicine concluded a president who does harm to society can be impeached. and they also went so far to say don't expect there to be harmony thaten the parties, democrats and republicans are probably going to square off against each other. this is not going to be something that is a walk in the park, but it is a duty that we have taken on when we swore to a pulled the c

. ♪ don't stop me now >> reporter: not since monica lewinsky has everyone been talking so much aboutr voice, just heard it. we haven't heard her voice. >> reporter: and even though mueller talked, he wouldn't answer. >> no questions. >> reporter: some people are never satisfied. i don't like hearing mueller's voice. i like the mystery. >> the greatest oz has spoken! >> who are you? >> reporter: the great mueller then resumed his place behind the curtain. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> thanks for watching. anderson starts now. >>> good evening. for the first time since being named special counsel, robert mueller spoke today publicly about the russia investigation and his report on it. everything about it was extraordinary, in particular how unpretentious and dutiful and serious mr. mueller was. there was no grandstanding, no puffed chest, no croning about his accomplishments and how hard he worked and how hard the job was. there was no hurtling insults at anyone, even those who have been systemically trying

obstruct justice, when bill clinton tried to convince betty curry about his connections to monica lewinskystruction, even though betty curry didn't lie about it. you. >> heard the example paul just gave, what would your counter argument be he's looked at the evidence too, and doesn't see in addition that represents a crime. there doesn't need to be an action that actually has a reaction in order for there to be a criminal intent. >> i would ask the attorney general to look at the thugs he's prosecuted and organized crime families or drug cartels, if you look at some of the evidence in the mueller report, trump isn't a lot different. think about the witness intimidati intimidation, he threatened michael cohen's family, he dangled a pardon in front of paul manafort. i became a prosecutor because i believe in equal justice under the law. no one should be above the law. >> all right. paul butler, and paul rosenswite. thank you for helping us drill down on that complicated discussion. appreciate it. >>> at this hour, the dow dropping over the president's threats to hit china with more tariffs a

. >> reporter: way back when president bill clinton's tryst with monica lewinsky exploded, his personaltty curry became a target in the probe. her recollections about meetings, gifts and more. as the watergate scandal unfolded around president richard nixon --. his own tape-recordings and memories from at times lower level players also added up. each may have been just a snippet but they built the case that nixon had to go. donaldson now works for a law firm in alabama. she's not talking about what she saw or heard, and the white house insists the president has a right to keep it that way. but some in congress disagree. they still think he broke or bent the law, and they would like to see donaldson or at least her legal pads. erin? >> thank you very much, tom. thanks to joining us. anderson starts now. >>> good evening. we are one house subpoena defied and two more issued since the last time we met. with that, a single question with as many legal, political and psychological dimensions to it as there are no bad metaphors to describe it. namely, how fast and how far will democrats push t

and so we worked very hard to break stories on the lewinsky matter and the president was work very hard to lie to the country. the difference we have today is that our current president tells falsehoods about just about everything including policy. mr. clinton kind of stuck to one subject matter when he was lying to the country. which in retrospect could be considered laudable at this point. bill and i broke a lot of stories and we talk about how we did it in the book. including the story that we broke on the evening news that the president had for the first time in history been subpoenaed o testify by a grand jury. allison: one of the things that i found interesting in the chapters that i did read of this were the nuance. that you brought to each story. when you're talking now about how people sort of are oppositional rather than able to see nuance. the chapter on ben behr neighbor key, called audacity. -- ben behr neighbor coe, called -- ben bernanke, called audacity. you took a close look at what they were going through in that chapter. and i am just interested, it's something i cove

they got this grand jury material during the entire lewinsky scandal.ten grand jury material before. they're able to keep these things secret. this is another example of bill barr schilling for this president, laying down for this president. and he is willing to burn his reputation down even further obviously in order to do that. if i were on the committee, i wouldn't even schedule anything but the vote. just roll it right out there. the guy has nothing but contempt and should be therefore held in contempt. >> jason, as much as nancy pelosi has for over a year now trying to guide house democrats away from impeachment for her strategic electoral vision that she believes that's a better approach to the 2020 election for the house and for the presidency, it seems that every day, every day the trump administration pulls the democrats, pulls jerry nadler, pulls the house judiciary committee closer to impeachment. >> yeah. they basically have to at this point, lawrence. look, last week they were eating fried chicken because they said trump was a chicken for n

so that could be shared with members of congress, unlike his predecessors and watergate in the lewinskytigations. so nadler is saying look, if you don't turn this over, we're going to hold you in contempt. and you're right, ari, he said something really significant today. he mentioned the i word. jerry nadler is not one to use the impeachment word lightly. for the past two years, he has been urging restraint saying we only do this if we really have to. but now i think because of what barr has been doing with respect to the report, he's even it looks like starting to think about the "i" word. >> when you look at that, it's all a fight over getting the rest of what mueller has, the unredacted report, the grand jury evidence, and congress has a separate and wider role than simply what a criminal prosecutor looks at. then we have former federal prosecutors, over 300 today coming out and saying their view is that the mueller report shows mueller himself thought this would have been a charge for obstruction against anybody else, if he were not the president. you were view of that letter? >> i

he said that in his remarks when he admitted his relationship with lewinsky.l, this president has said roughly the same thing. >> but also a big difference, i heard earlier, you know, rick santorum saying, well, the difference was bill clinton perjured himself. well, the difference is bill clinton put himself in a position to perjure himself, right? donald trump didn't perjure himself, because -- >> but mueller could have kept pushing, right? >> but had he done it, he almost definitely would have perjured himself. so the point is, he wasn't as available. he didn't -- i mean, bill clinton is the one who asked for the investigation in the first place. it's such a different situation where you have donald trump fighting it every step of the way. >> yeah, but i would also make one process point. you're right, it is processee, but when it comes to the congressional subpoenas coming and so forth, the two legal basis for those are legislative and oversight. and oversight doesn't include oversight of investigations, that is not is what is ordinarily thought of as over

. >> which is why i think this is the biggest constitutional crisis we had, bigger than lewinsky, bigger than watergate. >> i like the water gate. >> i'm just old enough to remember watergate. ten years. here's why. because we haven't had a time where the party under attack is this dug in and behind the president and almost lullingly like following the president. this will be challenged. >> talking about burr subpoenaing the president's son, how is that like inline? >> he's one lone voice in a party that falls behind the president. let me talk about it, he's retiring, we have the yellow jacket going, all these force. they are norms, traditions that have not been touched at all, it's been many decades, now they're going to the supreme court d. supreme court could rule in a way congress no longer has the kind of co-equal power. what senator kennedy is worried about, the republicans may rule the day when they challenge us and let the congressional congress have their powers limited. some day there may be -- >> do you think this is real among the senate? >> sure. >> this happened in 2011 wi

. >> and it was superhuman for bill clinton during monica lewinsky and it puts a hell of a lot of strain on the situation in working together when you are also considering whether or not to impeach. so let's put the president's noise and any theatrics to the side and talk about the best foot forward for the democrats to get the answer. the problem is the president is the one who is keeping it from ending by not going with the cooperative effort of disclosure. so what is the next step for you, senator? >> well let me -- your starting point, politics apt bean bag and being president isn't another round of golf at mar-a-lago. it is a tough job for any president and this president has had share of problems that he created for himself. and the question now is whether he wants to govern in the closing two years. he has the power and the opportunity and if he's willing to use it. >> senator schumer, senator anders now, big names in your side of the party or at least bernie when he will run for president, they both say they're open to impeachment. where are you? >> i could tell you that the case

>> i lived through many of these with the iran-contra, the lewinsky matter.you're in the bubble of the hill, you can confuse winning the love of the chase versus the prize. this is about the presidency in the year 2020. that's what matters. that is the only cure for the trump presidency ultimately. anything that does not serve that end should not be in the agenda. my guess is that nancy pelosi faces this every day with her caucus saying, we've got to hold the house and we've got to win the presidency. this endless relit at this gating the mueller report does not win the presidency and it may be counter to holding the house. >> but the mueller report is not entirely over and done with. democrats haven't seen it in its entirety and we know there's still ongoing investigations. today mitch mcconnell is going to get on the senate floor at the top of the hour and say these are my final comments, case closed. is that a winning argument for him given there is so much we don't know. >> if you take my thesis that ultimately the cure is that and nothing else. for most

you had a majority saying bill clinton committed crimes, he did something illegal in the lewinsky affairboth of those cases, you had voters making a damning judgment about the president's conduct, criminal conduct in a lot of their view. where is it different? this is the key question. when it came to clinton 20 years ago, the question was asked should the investigation continue or end now? overwhelmingly it was end now. that's where the group move on got his start. censure him and move on. that's what they said about clinton. when you ask the question about trump, you get more gray. you get a small number here saying impeach, some saying move on. you have a lot saying keep the investigation going. you can see it when you compare the approval rating. trump's recent approval rate 44. clinton was near 60%. clinton had more of a foundation to fall back on. people were more willing to say let's end this and move on. >> you know who has been looking at those numbers based on sources i talked to, president trump, he knows this. he sees it what happened to bill clinton and those approval rating