. >> host: so maa, lgf, churches. >> guest: sorority, fraternity, of the organizations that get out the vote. and registration not to be doing education and picking candidate and holding candidates accountable and showing people how to do it. >> host: so let me ask you about the role of race in this space. the reason it's kind of difficult is because there is this frame of people of color violating the law and kind of casting a stone. there is this kind of common narrative, and civil rights narrative which is access and inclusion in this people just want to participate and that there is this counter narrative which is those folks are corrupt. it's kind of a law and order. just as they commit all that crime, they are fraudulent in terms of their boati, et cetera. there's this kind of racial narrative that is out there and how does your book play or navigate? how does race factor into the concerns addressed in the book. >> guest: it is obvious -- and not to be obvious that the people, the black people and latinos in this book and the poor white folks in this book have been taken advantage