liana: absolutely both. without ukraine's resistance, we would not have seen this incredible sanctions package. there were a an international outcry, so what helps ukraine is weakening russia's position and putting further pressure on russia to not put out maximalist positions, but to be open for compromise. this is the moment where we have to keep up pressure on russia, and only if ukraine asks us to think about sanctions, then we can consider these options. our main aim should be how can we help ukraine to negotiate a sustainable peace. that should be the goal of all western policy at the moment. lisa: it goes to this question of what the west's response should be in order to get vladimir putin to continue negotiating and to continue to make good. how much will there be discussions about loosening some of the sanctions in response to a certain period of cease fire? is that feasible, or does that seem wrong, considering the fact that we are still talking about war crimes? liana: this is a discussion that we

it's a pleasure to welcome our guests. liana fix is a security and russian expert who works with the berlin based curve foundation. it's great to have kristin hel, bear with us once again on the show. she's a freelance journalist who has reported extensively from the middle east and syria for german and swiss media. and joining us from bon lewis, sanders from d w's investigative unit. so let me ask all of you to tell us a little bit about how you interpret what we're seeing at the moment on the ground and liana key of hockey, we've maria, poll all under heavy attack. what are you hearing about the extent of civilian and military casualties on both sides? well, an initial campaign was very much the idea to have a shock in our campaign and to finish the war quickly have a victory poet and key if and that was it. this has not worked out and we see casualties on the wash inside, which amount to hundreds and thousands of casualties unexpected by moscow. so this is now a shift and strategy. what i could not achieve its initial aims taking here was in change. and now it's going for the part

and we are in fact seeing claims from russia liana that the u. s. and ukrainian governments are operating a secret military biological program adamantly denied by the us and by nato. the head of nato says this could be a pretext for russian escalation. would you agree? and under what circumstances could you imagine putting, using either a chemical weapon or even possibly a tactical nuclear weapon we have flooded the past that we should be really careful not crossing anything off the list when it comes to what and the wash and president putin is willing to do and in the case of use of chemical weapons that will probably not a military we action. but the sanctions with funds on washer would probably extend what we've seen in the past. and russia knows with this very well, and they know that they're already in a difficult economic situation. so in this case, we will probably see full central bank sanctions, oil embargoes gas and bicycles. because this is really something which would overstep align when it comes to the nuclear dimension. moscow has used

to tell us a little bit about how you interpret what we're seeing at the moment on the ground and liana key of hockey. if maria, poll all under heavy attack, what are you hearing about the extent of civilian and military casualties on both sides? well, moscow initial campaign was very much the idea to have a shock in our campaign. and to finish the war quickly have a victory poet in key if and that was it. this has not worked out and we see casualties on the russian side, which amount to hundreds and thousands of casualties unexpected by moscow. so this is now a shift and strategy wash. i could not achieve its initial aims, taking key it was in change. and now it's going for the part that we've seen in syria to tell against the civilian population to foss, key of, to make concessions in negotiations. because the pictures and the way of office just so google and cool at the moment. let me ask you about those negotiations because we're seeing or hearing conflicting signals. on the one hand, we have the russian foreign minister. mr. love saying that he's optimistic that the talks are makin

group of ukrainian civilians have come to learn how to defend themselves against a russian attack. liana is 27. she's a project manager in a food company of school and has come here with her boyfriend. she's getting a day long crash course on how to defend herself from her family, even though and her home. but another on of branch of, of gone. you are, our 1st task is to learn how to get people out of red and yellow danger zones only as long as you're going to so we can at least save some lives after. pick me. oh gosh, double give it a go and get it up. and then for the 1st time ever, they're holding a kalashnikov as arms civilian volunteers. they're trained to form the last line of defense. fully ana is learning how to empty a magazine and reload it with cartridges equal. it's going, it will normally, i've never done anything like this before. and i don't think i ever would. but now i have to, and i'm, we're fixing what to listen to with the war has force us all to think about how to save our own lives. this isn't as easy as it looks in the movies, like when you really have to understan

isn't liana lang concern certainly is that our chinese geopolitical aspirations so that china, the, the larger picture that china wants to dethrone the united states from, from being the global, a hedge m on, if you will. and so, certainly following its own geopolitical goals. and that could be seizing taiwan. china has set time and time again that they don't accept taiwan as being an independent entity. and that they consider it as part of, of china, of the one china policy in fact. and so the fear here in the wide tells us that this could cause a precedent that could lead to the rule erosion of, of other democracies around the world. and therefore also to the leader to the erosion of the western values and the international world order. post world war 2 as well. certainly, that is a concern for the united states and is something that you ask. government is fighting against navina. this has been a week in which we've seen the ukranian president zalinski address the us congress asking for help. the same day the you as president. he announced another $800000000.00 in military aid to ukra

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