better did not take the lib dem olive branch?ine if we have to go back on the guarantee to get out by the third october, fine. some say do not risk brexit, there is a majority third borisjohnson's exit brexit, there is a majority third boris johnson's exit terms, let's worry about the future relationship another time was to be looked like that has been definitively won by a let's get brexit are done election. there are others who are saying, that leave electoral politics and patiently get on with seeing this bill through. there are tory mps that would rather have a brexit deal passed before a general election, but the dominant view in downing street is that they don't think there is a clear majority for their brexit deal. there are confusing messages because the conservatives have been suggesting they have majority backing for their deal, but only passed at second reading and the programme motion to pass it at high speed did not pass. with government, if they try to pursue with the bill, you will have amendments on a customs unio

and you can achieve that with conservative mps plus the lib dems, plus the snp.teed for a variety of this is guaranteed for a variety of reasons, but not least of all, time is tight. so the rules state that on polling day, you need to have 25 working days for the dissolution of parliament up till polling day. that is why the lib dem bill would probably need to be getting through parliament basically by the end of this week in order to have that nine december election. jessica, thank you very much. three people arrested, after the discovery of 39 bodies in a refridgerated container lorry in essex, have been released on bail. the driver, maurice robinson, who's 25, is due to appear in court tomorrow charged with manslaughter. meanwhile the families of those feared dead, have been holding vigils and ceremonies back in vietnam. many are thought to have come from the village of yen thanh, from wherejonathan head has sent us this report. singing. a community overwhelmed by shock and despair. they haven't heard from sons and daughters who were en route to britain for da

and that is because, shall we start with the lib dems?t an election manifesto for a second referendum and i note that the lib dems only have a passing acquaintance with keeping manifesto promises, but at least half of the lib dem members who currently sit in this house were elected on a ma nifesto to this house were elected on a manifesto to respect the referendum and deliver brexit! and they have switched parties without any reference to their constituents, their constituents voted for an mp to represent them as a member of a party to deliver brexit, and those constituents have had no say, they have not been consulted on the change of position that those mps now hold. i will give way. does my honourable friend share my concern that many young people were duped on tuition fees? there was no straight a nswer tuition fees? there was no straight answer about who they would prop up in the next coalition? they are milking that 16 and 17—year—old vote because they are promising in future, one that they do not necessarily intend to deliver, like

the conservatives want their leave vote, the lib dems wa nt want their leave vote, the lib dems wantionalised in terms of where they can go, so you have factionalised in terms of where they can go, so you have floating voters, but everybody has taken extreme positions, which means that their ability to be able to corral people is going to be limited. but no talking about dying

we don't brexit, so lib dems any more. we don't brexit, so yes, lib dems any more.he outset, we have been campaigning from the outset to have a people's vote which might still be possible. you know that has gone, it has gone. i don't know it has gone. there is no majority for it in parliament. there is still a prospect of that but in the absence of that and given the press pressure we are under the possibility, for instance, that the prime minister might be able to get his deal through, and at the moment he has got his deal through that is brexit done and dusted. let me bring in neil coyle. good morning. first of all, your reaction to the fact there is a brexit extension until january 31. it is to be expected and expected and welcome and boris johnson has been shown to be lying to the british people saying we were living when he knew it was not possible to leave on that date. you made sure of it by voting against it. i'm happy to have done so because it would have been dangerous and damaging for the uk to have done so on and damaging for the uk to have done so on th

and they see that as a big plus for the lib dems.ey could get a deal in the report says that some labour members have spoken to them and said the labour party will eventually if the lib dems in the snp flight with their plan they would have to eventually agree and not look at one party that doesn't want to want an election. the problem for labour is ita election. the problem for labour is it a split and the question is the leave seats in the north voted heavily, will they when they come to you the elections vote labour again as they often have done or go to the conservative cosmic labour's excuse or reason for not wanting an election can have a or one for quite a long time. let's face it. was that they wanted to know the off of the table. given that we've had the extension of greed today, and we have now time till the end of january, no deal is off of the table. —— an extension agreed today. for now. labour would effectively be saying we will never have an election. no dealwill not saying we will never have an election. no deal will

baffled me because i think that she's after a referee the leader of the lib dems baffled me because i think that she's after a referendum and she's given mr johnson and the election nevertheless they're all kinds of random and she's given mr johnson and the election nevertheless they're all kinds of problems for the british prime minister there's the brits it party which problems for the british prime minister there's the brits it party which is going to fight it i think that's the signals we're getting because of his deal is going to fight it i think that's the signals we're getting because of his deal and so he's going to lose how much 10 percent of the voters which would not revert concert and so he's going to lose how much 10 percent of the voters which would naturally vote conservative i don't know as one of the many questions like why is that there at the visit i don't know as one of the many questions like why is that there are massive issues about his integrity he's a man who keeps on the king broke of massive issues about his integrity he's a man who keeps on the king broke

lib dems for pm route to an election. what would that route be? between december the 12th, what the government want, or december the night, which the lib dems seem to favour along with the snp? the government has obviously been calling for an election, has been calling for an election, has been trying to get an election, on the grounds that he thinks he can win the election. the fixed—term parliaments act requires a two thirds majority for him to achieve that, he has not been able to achieve that so far. he is going to go for that again tomorrow apparently. but that lib dem route is to amend the fixed—term parliaments act by a bill which just requires a straight majority. of course if that lib dems and the snp and all of the conservative party as is, and perhaps people who were conservatives and i know independence were to vote for it, then the ability to achieve that vote, a positive vote in favour of thatis vote, a positive vote in favour of that is potentially created. because they do not need to get two thirds majority. that could achieve it.

the snp and lib dems don't really want to be seen as and lib dems don't really want to be seen as dancingthe government's plan. the government's plan centres on looking at the withdrawal agreement bill, scrutinising that, trying to get at the parliament before that snap poll on 12 december. but the snp and lib dems are saying they're not interested in passing the bill, they don't like brexit, and they want to secure a three month delay to a brexit from the eu and have that snap election. some key differences there. also intriguingly, there has been talk as to whether there might been talk as to whether there might bea been talk as to whether there might be a few more students still around in their university towns on nine december as opposed to 12 december, which could be helpful to the lib dems. in terms of the potential for a general election, absent of the labour party supporting one, does borisjohnson labour party supporting one, does boris johnson have much labour party supporting one, does borisjohnson have much chance of getting a 12 december election, and similarly, to the lib dem

the snp have 35 and the lib dems 19.comes close to the 326 needed for an overall majority. in the 2017 election, the two main parties dominated. the tories taking 43% and labour 41% of the vote. compare that to how the parties are polling now. the conservatives are averaging somewhere around 36% and labour 24% in recent polls. polling leads can vanish in an election campaign, just as theresa may. if the current polls were reflected in the election out and vote to switch parties evenly, the conservatives might be on course for a majority but it won't be that simple, it never is. the tories will focus on winning voters in leave voting areas. in their top 50 labour—held targets, 39 voted leave. places like stoke—on—trent north, 72% leave, blackpool south, 68%, dagenham and rainham, 70% leave. but the tories could lose these seats to other parties, they could lose votes although maybe not seats to nigel farage's brexit party which could hand seats to other parties. places like stirling and gordon could go to the snp. chelten

one suggestion is that they might get behind this and send p and lib dems proposal —— snp and lib demsliament, but you only need a simple majority to get it through. in those senses, you don‘t need labour votes at all, and labour haven‘t yet said what they would do in that scenario. there are other suggestions going around, one that the government might be looking at trying again to get their withdrawal agreement bill through. it got through its first stage then boris johnson said, because you won‘t agree to my timetable, i won‘t pursue it further. could they try again to do that? that is one suggestion. there are conservatives who are unhappy and say, you should first try to get the deal through. there are problems for all parties. there are problems for all parties. the snp have some mps who aren‘t happy to go along with a general election, fearing that borisjohnson would win it and they would effectively be putting him into power potentially for five years. labour also have their own issues. not many of their mps want a general election, some because they want to pursue another refe

the critics of the lib dems and snp say they've given up on another referendum. with those of us who do one day people spoke, a million people didn't march round election, they marched for a new site. so how long untilwe round election, they marched for a new site. so how long until we see pictures like these again? can you come back to me on that? chris mason, bbc news. in a moment we'll speak to adam fleming in brussels, but first let's speak to our assistant political editor norman smith. just how likely is that there will be an election before christmas? simon, i think the prospect of a pre—christmas election have just gone up and up and up, why? because we are seeing emerging the most unlikely of alliances between boris johnson and the liberal democrats and the snp. borisjohnson fervently in favour of brexit, the liberal democrats and snp fervently opposed to brexit but they too, now want a general election because they believe there is no chance of getting a second referendum in this parliament so they think have an election, change the arithmetic, maybe yo

and paper cause the lib dems who will make some modest gains as remain as the s.m. pay because they've got their agenda the one party this doesn't suit is the labor party and that's where they've got their agenda the one party this doesn't suit is the labor party and that's where the cannibalization of votes will take place and i think that they'll really hammer edge to the cannibalization of votes will take place and i think that they'll really hammer edge to the tory advances and maybe turn extent the lead them and vantage of people you know the you know the tory advances and maybe to an extent the live demo bondage of people you know the inner workings of the tory party more than just about them in the depart walking's of the tory party more than just about them. their departure or or more of. the off the tory wise heads it's has to be solved a bit sore still this weekend with us this week philip hammond this week because test every bit as we're trying to philip hammond desperately trying to stop an election appealing for everybody to grow up and be cooled down b

is that still an issue for lib dem voters or has it been overta ken lib dem voters or has it been ovedn't say that matters is a main issue. trust is always a main issue in politics, and we need to do better on that. going back to the point made earlier about we should be leaving the european union today, no, we wouldn't have been leaving the european union today. this is only the first step in the brexit withdrawal process. so, even a theresa may's deal had passed we would still be negotiating with the european union, so to say that we would be out now and it would all be done by christmas is absolute nonsense. let me ask you about trust. why were jewish nonsense. let me ask you about trust. why werejewish labour voters trust. why werejewish labour voters trustjeremy trust. why werejewish labour voters trust jeremy corbyn? that's a good question. many of us including jeremy corbyn and others have said that we were too slow to act on those cases of anti—semitism that did come up. and a lot more effort has been made now but it is going to ta ke has been made now but it is going to take

a lib dem interrupted.ities are going to be affected when the air and space, the chemical industries, food and drug association have written to him saying the manufacturing sector is going to be very badly damaged by his deal an industry that employs overi million people and is worth just under 100 billion to the uk economy each year? may i respectfully suggest to him that might be a good reason, if it were true, which it isn't, but it would be a good reason for his party to support a deal. the leader of oppostion seems to suggest there was not much about the environment in this speech. can the prime minister confirm that the uk is leading the world on the environment? leading the world on helping developing countries fight back against climate change and in this queen's speech, which i have in my hand, there were new measures on the water quality, on air quality, on committing to reducing emissions, on protecting our wildlife and our plants and our planet? well done! i'm so grateful to my honourable friend

we mention the brexit party and lib dems. joe swinson, her first the brexit party and lib dems.be entirely discountedm will be hoping to make significant and gains. if you look at where they are on paper versus and gains. if you look at where they are on paper versus really have the smallest majorities to overturn nearly all of their top targets on conservative seats whether the labour seats on paper and that makes securing a majority even harder. they're looking a lot stronger than the word in the last election. they will chances articulatory seats and in orderjust to stay at the moment lest they went a majority. those leaders, will he be able to muscle and the leader debates at the moment? i agree with nick back in the day, so absolutely can do and good communicators as well. little anecdotal points, i have my own business, one of my analysts says, his grandmother a northern leave voter and said i don‘t likejeremy corbyn, i voted labour all my life but boris is just trump isn‘t he? and that is i think the interesting hurdle that he has to get over to win this one. thank you bo

in terms of the potential for a the lib dems. in terms of the potentialfor a general the lib dems. the labour party supporting one, does boris johnson absent the labour party supporting one, does borisjohnson have much chance of getting a 12 december one? sorry, i've gotten them wrong, now i'm confused. it's a confusing picture. in terms of the numbers, borisjohnson is lavishly going for this vote tomorrow where he needs two thirds of mps to back his 12 december plan. it is not looking like he will get that because he would need labour on board in order to reach that threshold. the interesting thing with the lib dem and snp proposal is it is a bill. there are plenty of obstacles in the way of getting that done, you would need the government to get behind that done it for it to get introduced or cmp is taking control of the order paper. i'm not sure they have time to do that. but if they have time to do that. but if they can introduce a bill onto the commons floor, they would need a simple majority, just over 50% of mps who actually turn up on the day to vote for that idea. however

the snp have 35, and the lib dems 19.an overall majority. in the 2017 election, the two main parties dominated. the tories taking 43% and labour a1% of the vote. compare that to how the parties are polling now. the conservatives are averaging somewhere around 36%, and labour 24% in recent polls. now, let's take a look at the electoral map for 2017. the tories blew a big lead in the polls and ended up the largest party, but relying on the dup for a majority. the next election could be even more unpredictable. the uk's divided at least as much between leave and remain as between the parties, and that could well influence the result. if the polls were reflected in an election now and voters switched parties evenly across the country, the tories could be on course for an absolute majority, but it won't be that simple. it never is. the tories will focus on winning voters in leave—voting areas. in their top 50 labour—held targets, 39 voted leave. places like stoke—on—trent north — 72% leave, blackpool south — 68%, dagenham — 70

the lib dems and the snp are seeking, in their bill, they are seeking to change the date by three daysd make no attempt to even pursue the withdrawal agreement bill. we have been clear, we want to leave the european union in good order. that is what we have always said. and we want a general election. 0urs does both, theirs does not do both. so that is the conservatives, as for the labour party, they are keeping their council for now. as i say, they have blown hot and cold depending on who you talk to, as to whether they do want an election. diane abbott today telling andrew marr that their priority for now is making sure that no deal is definitely off the table. well, he could come to parliament and categorically give parliament an undertaking that he is not going to come out without a deal. but he won't do that, because coming out without a deal is something that people like dominic cummings would want, because then it becomes notjust brexit, but a trump brexit. opening up the british economy to american multinationals. but if he were to come to parliament and unequivocally say that

they say that their proposalfor an election of the lib dems.an election outlined by borisjohnson proposal for an election outlined by boris johnson last week of the best way to deliver one. we have put forward the proposals foran we have put forward the proposals for an election. the lib dems and the snp are in their bill are seeking to change the date by three days. take... and more importantly make no attempt to even pursue the literal agreement bill. we have been clear. we want to leave the european union in good order. that is what we have always said and we want a general election. i was does both. there is does not do both. so that is the conservatives. as for the labour party they are keeping their council for now. like i say, they have blown hot and cold depending on who you talk to. and whether they do want an election. diane abbott saying today that their priority is making sure that their priority is making sure that nobody was definitely of the table. it could come to parliament and give parliament the undertaking but he is not goin

even though that is labour party policy, if it doesn't attract the support of the lib dems, the lib demed chance of succeeding. i would surely it has limited chance of succeeding. iwould be surely it has limited chance of succeeding. i would be surprised of the lib dems did not support. 16. they already have votes at 16 in certain parts of the united kingdom so certain parts of the united kingdom so why would it take so long? —— i would be surprised if the lib dems did not supported, it is already the policy. this will affect 16 and 17—year—olds for decades to come, it is right that they should be enfranchised and not disenfranchised by what borisjohnson is enfranchised and not disenfranchised by what boris johnson is trying to do today. do you accept that if that amendment was passed, it would negate a december election, because you simply would not be able to change the franchise in time for a december contest? so that it would kill off a december election?“ might delay, but i think that is a good thing. it would be far more to get borisjohnson to good thing. it would be far more to g

we have one lib dem in the chamber.commitment is in contrast to the lib dems, who want to overturn the democratic result, and to the labour party, which does not quite yet know what it wants. my right can i thank honorable friend? the country wants us to move on and to keep faith with the voters. as for the position of the liberal democrats, of all the different views in the house of commons, i find this the most difficult to understand. how could we have 16 liberal democrat mep's actually writing to jean-claude juncker telling him not to negotiate or do a deal with the uk? that is deeply irresponsible and is courting the very outcome of a no-deal brexit they say they wish to avoid. mr. bradshaw: thank you, mr. speaker. did the prime minister, as the times reports today, receive a request from president trump for help in trying to discredit the mueller report and the role of british and american intelligence in uncovering the russian interference in the 2016 presidential elections? and will he assure the house that no b

if the conservatives in the snp in the lib dems line up, does that get the lib dems line up, does thatgo through the house of commons and the house of lords, and it is possible that some mps may try to amended, for example, by saying that eu nationals should be eligible to vote, or by saying that they want to widen the franchise to allow votes for 16 and 17—year—old. now if that happens, it could get very bogged down and guess what, i think we might find there is no brexit christmas after all. no election in the run—up to christmas. thing still very unsure for boris johnson, this is not the ideal way to go about trying to find a general election. thank you. earlier naomi was expanding to pantomimes booked in the village halls, one of the obstacles that a re the village halls, one of the obstacles that are in the way of an election to christmas. i couldn't draw a election to christmas. i couldn't drawa link election to christmas. i couldn't draw a link between pantomimes and what i'm about to read you. those 50 pes will be big moments in history, but their moment is past. the eu has acc

i think this is an incredibly high risk strategy for the lib dems. com pletely they entered into the coalition and completely capitulated on tuition fees. there is a massive risk forjo swinson, very newly in as leader, and turning round to say, we want a public vote. if it does go to the public vote. if it does go to the public and the public continue to back leave, essentially the lib dems have helped deliver borisjohnson's brexit. they are undermining their own position? they have put forward an amendment to the queen's speech which we will find out about next tuesday. as to whether or not they should be a vote on a public vote on a deal? the lib dems have put out this extreme position on brexit but i think the issue with the referendum, remember, that requires weeks and months of debate and there is not really a majority for that in the commons and there might be on one evening for a referendum but will that last vote after vote through the various readings or the amendments when they try to give 16—year—olds of the vote? to me, it seems very diff

but the lib dems are going to be very interesting adam, you have a little plug to drop about you jumpingabout you jumping on a plane and coming here for a little rebrand coming up. you see this over here, the brexit cast, it will be replaced by election, will call it election task, every single day. monday tuesday wednesday, friday, with brexitcast being on thursday. so wherever you get brexitcast, wherever podcasting programme used, election cast will also pop into your feed. we are talking about the stuff that we talk about now. he may see us on television as well. more than once a week? should we talk about the people standing down from parliament? because there's been something of a thing in the past few days especially about the of women standing down, the number in the proportion is not necessarily greater than parliaments closing of the past, but the kind of things that particularly, women that is standing down a saying about the abuse and social media and the toxic environment of westminster, is quite striking. it is and it is disturbing and for those who work around here, we are

i think it's a bit of a stunt by the lib dems and the snp.my, tojobs, to trade, to medicine supply, and i thinkjohnson is playing with fire here. to medicine supplies, and i thinkjohnson is playing with fire here. there's lots of work to be done by local councils if they are to be ready to count your votes before the end of the year. but before any of that can happen, mps need to decide whether or not they want that election. tom barton, bbc news. three people arrested in connection with the investigation into the deaths of the 39 people whose bodies were found in a refridgerated container lorry in essex have been released on bail. the 25—year—old lorry drive — maurice robinson is due to appear in court tomorrow charged with manslaughter. meanwhile familes in vietman have been holding vigils and ceremonies for loved ones they fear died in the lorry as mark lowen reports. in vietnam, a shattered community is trying to keep faith. not yet knowing but fearing that their children's journey across the world for a betterfuture has ended in tragedy.

the snp and the lib dems, though, weren't ready to back the prime minister tonight, but tomorrow, when to win by one, might be a different story. we will not vote with the government tonight, but make no mistake — the scottish national party are ready to give people back their say. the way forward now is to have an election, but to do so responsibly — not letting the prime minister force through his bad brexit deal. division! clear the lobby! ultimately, the prime minister was miles off what he needed. the ayes to the right, 299. the noes to the left, 70. but, just when one vote has gone, along comes another round here. number 10 will ask mps again tomorrow to back an election on december the 12th, but they'll vow this time to ditch any effort to get their brexit deal through parliament. with that gone, the opposition parties may be more enthusiastic, but suspicions of borisjohnson‘s motives are all around tonight. let's take a look at some of the day's other news: the us house of representatives will vote this thursday on procedures for the impeachment inquiry into president trump. th

there was talk yesterday that if labour and the lib dems do not wa nt if labour and the lib dems do not election. the opposition would then have the right to bring in whatever laws they like so it is all up for grabs. everybody is running around, everything changes day to day. political... if they are going to bring us standing order 24. this is the third paragraph of the guardian story and no one knows what the standing order is. let us return to the times. it has gone through all that campaigning, it is former prime minister theresa may who was very surly while campaigning. minister theresa may who was very surly while campaigninglj minister theresa may who was very surly while campaigning. i was surprised to read this. she was not very good in the 2017 general election campaign apparently. she needed a manger and was constantly grumpy. heraids were needed a manger and was constantly grumpy. her aids were worried about how she came across to the public. in the media, she came across not very well, she always looked unhappy or wooden. she needed very well, she always looked unhappy orw

just the past 24 hours, the lib dems paid for this targeted ad.rties on facebook or if a friend of yours does and shared or reacted to such a video. on the e—mail front, a so—called chip in message from labour raised £190,000. free speech is a pillar of our democracy but it only works if you and i know who is doing the talking. alas, when it comes to social media platforms sometimes we don‘t. for instance, we often don‘t know who is ultimately paying for this marketing. it could be foreign or malign actors who deploy social media precisely because regulation is so weak. and of course amid all the clamour and propaganda online, it‘s those who engage our emotions rather than appeal to reason who find their messages cut through. digital campaigns have no beginning or end. they are constant, it‘s just the volume is turned up or down according to political need. in the coming weeks, the noise will be deafening. amol rajan, bbc news. in the past hour — the pentagon has released details and footage of the us special forces raid — that killed abu bakr al—

the snp and the lib dems reckon now the eu has backed a delay to brexit, their best chance of stoppingur departure is that election. if you'd heard them earlier, you might have imagined it was under way already. i welcome the opportunity of an election, because make no mistake, the election that's coming is going to be the right of scotland to determine its own future. as a united kingdom family of nations, strong together, working within the eu, we can reshape our economy and harness the technological revolution, and build a brighter future, and that's the message the liberal democrats will be taking to the country in this general election. those backing a trip to the ballot box won the day. the ayes to the right, 438. the noes to the left, 20. barring something strange happening in the house of lords tomorrow, the election will be on the 12th of december — giving the prime minister his way, giving all of us the chance to say who will come here, which mps, which parties will have the job on unfurling the tangle of the last few years, who will be the prime minister who defines what hap

the conservatives want their leave vote, the lib dems wa nt want their leave vote, the lib dems want they remain vote, and they are factionalised in terms of where they can go, so you factionalised in terms of where they can go, so you have factionalised in terms of where they can go, so you have floating voters, but everybody has taken extreme positions, which means that their ability to be able to corral people is going to be limited. but no talking about dying in ditches? about do—or—die raid? he has failed. we will not be leaving on the 31st of october, this thursday, halloween, and as a result, there is an inherent risk in that, isn't there? in going to the country? absolutely, this is not without massive risk for the conservative party and boris johnson massive risk for the conservative party and borisjohnson and his premiership. what is in his mind is that now that the 31st of october brexit date has passed, he needs to be able to get the uplift from the feeling of, quite friendly, resentment in the country that is going to be building about the fact that it hasn't been done y

the lib dems say...nce was to have a general election early in the week of the 9th of december. we will look carefully at this bill. we may put down an amendment on the day looking to maybe the 10th or the 11th, our preference would have been the ninth. but some labour mps will oppose a general election. they say the priority should be another eu referendum. as a matter of principle, a general election, the secret is in the name, general election, it's everything about governing the country. you shouldn't have one, it's not a democratically legitimate way to resolve brexit, a binary issue, far better to do that via a referendum. but those opposing an election here now looks certain to be in a minority. this afternoon, mps will debate the specifics, not least the day in december we will go to the polls. after weeks of uncertainty, there is now some clarity. it's election time again. chris mason, bbc news at westminster. our chief political correspondent vicki young is in the central lobby in parliament. t

now, this was an idea thought about by the lib dems and the snp.cussed this, they have said that they would bring forward a bill but with the date of the 9th of december in it. and the big question now, because it would only require a single majority to get it through, is whether the lib dems and the snp would go for it, because it does not matter what the labour party would do, there would be enough people if you could get the tories plus the snp and lib dems to get that through. let us speak to stephen gethins of the snp to give us stephen gethins of the snp to give usa stephen gethins of the snp to give us a reaction. you have spoken a lot about wanting another general election. borisjohnson has said will bring it before the house tomorrow, this is the opportunity you have been waiting for. let us have a look at the bill. we want a general election and we want to see the back of the tories, but fundamentally we want to stop exit and we want the opportunity to remain within the eu. let us have a look at that bill. i do not want to sign off on any

the lib dems —— the lib dems are onion bag you see the party of remain. labour is is not clear. johnson's position is not clear because he is saying to the brexit party, stick with me and we will probably end up with no deal. you sing to the labour people are batting last week, it will be a level playing field. his deal, he is about using the scrutiny in parliament. he is saying different things to different audiences. when someone from the tory party knocked on the door, we want to brexit, you will get it done. the lib dems say that we are the party of remain. labour same they will negotiate under the agreement and then put it to you in a referendum.” under the agreement and then put it to you in a referendum. i hope their policy becomes a lot more clear than it has been. the country is polarised, that is clear. parliament has been polarised. when somebody is asked on the doorstep for a boat and there is a third way which it sounds like prolong the pain of it, why would someone vote for labour? just on the conservative point... i think it is important that people understand that

people have a chance to vote for real change after years of conservative and lib dem cuts.

in just the past 2a hours, the lib dems paid for this targeted ad.seen one of these videos if you follow those parties on facebook or if a friend of yours does and shared or reacted to such a video. 0n the e—mail front, a so—called chip—in message from labour raised £190,000. free speech is a pillar of our democracy but it only works if you and i know who is doing the talking. alas, when it comes to social media platforms, sometimes we don‘t. for instance, we often don‘t know who is ultimately paying for this marketing. it could be foreign or malign actors who deploy social media precisely because regulation is so weak. and of course amid all the clamour and propaganda online, it‘s those who engage our emotions rather than appeal to reason who find their messages cut through. digital campaigns have no beginning or end. they are constant, it‘s just the volume is turned up or down according to political need. in the coming weeks, the noise will be deafening. amol rajan, bbc news. let‘s speak now to tech journalist will guyatt. he is said to talk to us

the lib dems say...ference was to have a general election early in the week of the 9th of december. we will look carefully at this bill. we may put down an amendment on the day. looking to may be the turn for the 11th, our preference would have been the ninth. but some labour mps will oppose a general election. they say the priority should be another eu referendum. as a matter of principle, a general election, the secret is in the name, general election, it's everything but governing the country. you shouldn't have one, it's not a democratically legitimate way to resolve brexit, so far better to do that via a referendum. but those opposing an election here now looks certain to be in election here now looks certain to beina election here now looks certain to be in a minority. this afternoon, mps will debate the specifics, not least the day in december we will go to the polls. after weeks of uncertainty, there is now some clarity. it's election time again. chris mason, bbc news at westminster. norman smith

the snp have 35, and the lib dems 19.se to the 326 needed for an overall majority. in the 2017 election, the two main parties dominated. the tories taking 43% and labour a1% of the vote. compare that to how the parties are polling now. the conservatives are averaging somewhere around 36%, and labour 24% in recent polls. now, let's take a look at the electoral map for 2017. the tories blew a big lead in the polls and ended up the largest party, but relying on the dup for a majority. the next election could be even more unpredictable. the uk's divided at least as much between leave and remain as between the parties, and that could well influence the result. if the polls were reflected in an election now and voters switched parties evenly across the country, the tories could be on course for an absolute majority, but it won't be that simple. it never is. the tories will focus on winning voters in leave—voting areas. in their top 50 labour—held targets, 39 voted leave. places like stoke—on—trent north — 72% leave, blackpool s

she's the eighth defection to the lib dems this year.rmer conservative mp, antoinette sandbach, has announced she isjoining the liberal democrats. she is an mp who had already gone out of the tory parking —— party of brexit but the lib dems who fancy themselves in are making a big impact in this campaign, it ta kes big impact in this campaign, it takes the total existing mps up to 20 and it gives them another bounce, another reason to be a chill for —— deal cheerful and that sense of alchemy on the campaign trail, that sense of balance and momentum is the kind of thing that can make a difference is that the liberal democrats are starting off this campaign thinking there's a big opportunity out there for them. because, we will have to see in six weeks if they think they have really been able to make the most of it or whether there are too many obstacles in their way. well, the latest brexit delay means that businesses are once again having to readjust their preparations and contingency planning for leaving the european union. our business

lib dems, labour mps alliance of remainers. lib dems, labourmps and alliance of remainers.ots with all these laws and procedural ploys and legal challenges. he is basically saying, one of the things they don't want to do is have a general election. if they have a general election before brexit, borisjohnson will probably, he feels, increases majority. thereby being able to deliver brexit. people don't want to allow him to have the general election before he has extended. 0ne him to have the general election before he has extended. one of the ploys they have is a vote of no confidence and then a government of national unity. national unity? yes! put someone like ken clarke or mike harriet harman in charge. 0r make even the speaker. he is quite a divisive figure! if that happens he will go to the queen and he won't offer his, he will, he won't offer his resignation, he will say, there isn't anybody else i can recommend to be prime minister. it is in the gift of the prime minister of the day to recommend who should succeed him. he will not recommend jeremy corbyn as having the

the snp and the lib dems were backing the idea of a december general election, even if there was a bit of disagreement between them and the government on the exact date. and by mid morning the labour leader, jeremy corbyn was out with supporters saying he too wanted a chance to go the public. but in the politics of 2019 nothing is ever simple. to secure a december general election the government had to push a bill through parliament in double quick time. ministers had hoped a short bill would pass the commons injust a day. but when debating that timetable a labour mp reckoned she'd smelt a rat. when looking at it, it showed what the government was trying to do in simple terms was rig today's debate. why, well because, she said the timetable as proposed wouldn't allow mps to make changes or amendments to the general election bill. which she argued was bad for this bill and set a dangerous precedent. to do that late at night without any consultation with the opposition, and in the hope that nobody notices is frankly, and i hope the leader of the house understands this concept, not cricke

the lib dems are a prime example of this.ey really are doing and local way. they can be up for winning a lot more seats this time around compared to the previous few elections. how their resources are spread remains to be seen. from labour or the tories? both. they can turn the conservative party in the labour party at the last election were taking 40% of the vote each and now the conservatives are just about on 30%, labour backed down a 25%. they will lose those votes to the liberal democrats. and what would traditionally be have a conservative labour marginal, lucas can see the lib dems coming from third to take a seat. the brexit party although they might not take many seats, their current polling has them being in the low teens. they might take enough votes away from the conservative party. how ward will borisjohnson to conservative party. how ward will boris johnson to be? conservative party. how ward will borisjohnson to be? he has done everything to nullify that brexit party. that's how worried he had done everything t

it is not the lib dems. who else are saying no? the snp and labourare dems. who else are saying no? even with there are not the numbers even with the liberal democrats to vote for him because there are 21 tory mps who will not vote for him. some of them will do. let me finish, please! there are not the numbers in the house to support jeremy there are not the numbers in the house to supportjeremy corbyn. however there may be the number to support somebody else and that is in the national interest and what we should be doing. from today's conversation what you find is that brexit becomes acrimonious and a passionate dispute. but on the flip side of this, as a health care professional, i look at my health ca re professional, i look at my health care colleagues, irrespective of our brexit position, which may be individual, there is a consensus which says we need to do what is best for our patients and our country. i think from information and the data and the things i have heard, and some other things that aisha had said, and the issues around small businesses, we need to ask ourselves

lib dems and neighbours want to put some say back to the people.ant to drive it through. it will be a general election about the outcome of brexit and that is not what general elections are for. exactly, you will have seen, as we all will have, the prime minister and government talking about other things. the nhs, more police and better education. these are bread—and—butter issues that have a calculated matter. people aren't stupid, they know what is going on. the overriding issue will still be brexit. but the dividing lines have been set. the conservative party got a deal, even though people thought they couldn't and everyone else is trying to block it. over to the people. f around the brea kfast ta ble it. over to the people. f around the breakfast table tomorrow morning you do want to not bring about brexit, you have to turn to the back pages. on any normal weekend it would have been the picture on the front page. and england rugby player, whether owen farrell orjonny may or kyle sinckler, whoever, celebrating their incredible, fantastic and out

the problem with voting lib dem, i just saw ed davey on your programme, the problem with voting lib dem this building here in parliament. instead, if you want to move this country forward and get things moving, there's only one way to do it and that is to vote conservative. i just to do it and that is to vote conservative. ijust want to do it and that is to vote conservative. i just want to look forward a bit, if we can, for example, let's say you got what you wanted, which is a big majority, look at the deal you have negotiated. is that a deal that will go through or if you came back with a big majority, you wouldn't change it? yes. we wouldn't change it. we will deliver brexit on this deal immediately and then be able to get on. and, you know, the labour position is they will try to renegotiate the deal. they will then have a referendum on the deal, and argue against their own deal in a referendum. that is just more delay. so, instead, we would just get on, deliver brexit on this deal, it is a very good deal, and then we can move the country forward. why would you be able to do it nex

the lib dems position is not undemocratic.party to actually being in power and saying they will revoke article 50, then thatis they will revoke article 50, then that is completed democratic. at the moment we have now got a new version of brexit, brand—new, just yesterday, what is the rush that this has to rush through parliament tomorrow, they have to vote it through? how come no—one has got to scrutinise this? i was actually in brussels yesterday and i was speaking to some meps. i am from a campaign groupfor speaking to some meps. i am from a campaign group for people who voted leave but we have changed our mind. 0ver leave but we have changed our mind. over three years we have got to learn a lot more about the eu and what it is all about. we should be allowed to have a say. i still have faith in the british people, that we should be allowed to have our destiny, why should we have boris johnson put through his version? what is the actual difference? they can't have it both ways. our destiny was decided back in 2016 when there