this is what cheney's book actually says about pardoning scooter libby. he says, "george bush made courageous decisions as president and to this day i wish pardoning scooter libby had been one of them." isn't that dick cheney's wonderful way of saying the president that i worked for was a coward and would not pardon scooter libby? >> well, i think that might be part of it. i also think what dick cheney's saying is the united states is not, in fact, a nation of laws, it is a nation of men, and we can override laws at our whim. and i give the president enormous credit for having finally after eight years stood up to dick cheney and said no, and i understand from people i've spoken to that it was a defining moment for him, and, in fact, he discussed the matter and discussed the whole pardoning system with president-elect obama as they were driving to the inauguration on january 20th. >> and i would add that i think we -- it seems as those we live in a different america than dick cheney, we live in one in which we believe we are a strong enough country and gr

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but regrettably, the vice president did not, neither did scooter libby, who was convicted, i like to, on four counts of lying to investigators, perjury, and obstruction of justice. as secretary powell pointed out, had vice president cheney shown a modicum of integrity and had his staff showed a modicum of integrity, there might not have been a need for a special council, and indeed, at that time, there may have been a head that would have rolled without the investigation and that head might have been dick cheney's. remember what was said about scooter libby, he threw sand in the umpire's eyes, and he had this to say about the vice president after a successful prosecution of libby, there is a cloud over the vice president. the vice president has daned not to clear up the cloud, it would have been helpful had he been more direct about his own participation or bothered to release his sworn deposition that was submitted to the grand jury or his notes from the meeting with fitzgerald and the fbi investigator. >> i find the line perverse when he says "i realize one of the few people in the

the president commuted libby's sentence in 2007.lection the vice president pushed his boss to grant libby a full pardon. in one of their last meetings before president obama took office, president bush told cheney, he was letting the conviction stand. >> no question about it. it upset dick. and i was concerned that it would strain our relationship. i can tell you, i still know he thinks it is the wrong decision. >> bret: how do you see your relationship now? >> it is good. i consider him a close friend. and i'm glad i picked him in 2000. i'm grad i kept him on the ticket in 2004. -- and i would make the same decision again. >> bret: president bush largely stayed silent while president obama blamed his administration for the country's ills. dick cheney not so much. coming up, after the break. [ male announcer ] want to achieve more with your money? pnc virtual wallet gathers your spending and saving in one place. credit and debit purchases, checks, bills, and other financial information. it lets you see the details as well as the big

scooter libby unfairly brought up on charges.'m looking at this, saying why didn't these men speak out? that's a legitimate criticism. why didn't colin powell and armitage say no, it was me, i was richard? why didn't they do that? >> that's right. cheney points out something very, very simple in that book. he says a few days after powell learned that armitage, his deputy was the one who leaked valerie plame's name, he sat next to the president of the united states in a cabinet meeting, while the press corp was brought in and barraged him with questions on who was responsible for the leak. the president took that barrage and say i want if get down to the truth. next to him was the man who knew the truth. who knew his own deputy caused this entire crisis and never told the president of the united states. that is, as you point out had consequences for karl rove, scooter, it had consequences for the president they were all ensnared in an investigation. >> sean: kirsten this might be something you and i agree on. a lot of times these

this is libby lewis reporting. and subpoenaed by a grand jury to investigate who the source of a leak of the identity of valerie plane was. she was an undercover cia agent and her identity was leaked after her husband had debunked the administration claim that saddam hussein was seeking nuclear material in africa. the court refused to hear the case in 2005 and left miller in jail. that was the big story because everybody had anticipated that the court would clarify and needed to clarify the extent to which reporters are able to protect confidential sources. in the miller case it was a disappointing non decision, refusal to take the case. the only case that the court has ever decided on this issue was another one that i worked on back in 1972 and involve earl caldwell, a reporter for the new york times who covered the black panther party and did all the times coverage of the black panther party. the court in the call -- decided reporters had to appear before a grand jury investigating something about the black panth

libby got two and-a-half years in prison for lying and obstructing a federal investigation.dent commuted the sentence in 2007. but after the 2008 election, the vice-president pushed his boss to grant libby a full pardon. in one of their last meetings before president barack obama took office, president bush told cheney he was letting the conviction stand. >> no question about it, it upset dick. and i was concerned that it would strain our relationship. but i can tell you i still know he thinks it is the wrong decision to have made. >> how do you see your relationship now? >> it's good. you know? it's good. i consider him a very close friend. i am glad i picked him in 2000. i am glad i kept him on the ticket and i would make the same decision again. >> president bush largely statesvi silence while president ork 'bama blamed his administration for the country's ills. dick cheney -- not so much. coming up after the break. [ male announcer ] imagine all of your missed opportunities in one place. ♪ the race of your life you never ran. the trip around the world you never took. the

time for happy hour tonight and joining me this evening us our chief producer jenny churchill and libby jacobson senior policy analyst for new media strategies public affairs ladies thank you for joining me. ok we often see you know funny things that have been news stations but it's really funny when you watch like an anchor person thing it's not quite as funny when you realize that they just edited a video to go with their story and well it just really doesn't look like this one comes from chicago so here we're going to show you the clip of what actually aired and then we'll show you the real one. two teenagers are wounded on the city's south side happy seventy fourth is an eighteen year old man and sixteen year old girl were hit while standing on the sidewalk males in good condition while the girls expected to recover and kids on the street as young as four were there to see it all unfold and i disturb the reaction. tell her i'm not scared enough that when you get to the years three families guns will know you know what you want to do when you get older. ok from the way they aired a c

libby, you remember when it happened.e here when it happened although you were much younger then. >> yes. >> tell me about that condition and what you did. >> i was in school. and the water from the ocean met the bay and parents were coming up and picking up their children and carrying them out on their backs to get them out of the front of the school. >> the reason i bring this up with libby is because she remembers when it happened before. when we talk about evacuations libby told me earlier, you at least right now, are not planning to evacuate. >> nope. we're not leaving. >> tell me why not. >> because we're prepared. >> tell me what you mean by you're prepared. >> i have a life vest ready to go for her. i have a whistle, a flashlight, i have tuna, cans of tuna, lots of water. >> i want to make this quick. instead of preparing like you're doing right now, why not -- i know you've got a little daughter here. why not just leave? >> i have to teach spin on sunday morning at 7:45. >> libby, you will not be teaching spin su

scooter libby seemed to be a particular target of their ire, they excoriated the material he and the national security staff provided while at the same time boasting they had thrown it in the garbage. as it happened, much of what they discarded focussed on saddam's ties to terror and human rights violations, charges that would stand the test of time." he's talking about you there, colonel, what do you make of that? >> let me give you the facts there. on the very first day colin powell handed me the script from vice president cheney's office, it was all about wmd, nothing about human rights, nothing about terrorism. the terrorism portion was to come later from phil mudd at cia, george tenants man, and the human rights portion came from the state department. we threw out libby's and hannah's script because george tenant and i agreed it was bull, and we went straight to the october 2002 national intelligence estimate, and from that point on, that became the basis of our presentation. unfortunately, it was wrong in key areas also, but we threw the script out in the beginning and didn't m

differences with the president of the united states, particularly regarding the pardon of scooter libbyde. and we knew that there were differences, but to hear it from dick cheney himself about the president takes it one step further. i want you to listen to something he said on the "today" show this morning. >> i felt very strongly that scooter was not treated fairly. i don't think an indictment was appropriate. scooter was the one ultimately who was charged, not with leaking but with allegations about misconduct during the course of the investigation. so i really think he was badly treated. i thought he deserved a pardon. the president disagreed. >> so is there a difference between a memoir and a kiss and tell? >> on that one, i don't think that was kiss and tell. it has been widely known. i think he was being candid about it. in full disclosure, i worked closely with dick cheney in the 1970s in the ford administration. liked him, respected him and continue to believe he is an honest man. we have sharp policy disagreements today as we've each gotten older, but i thought on that one, a

those three days in one thousand nine hundred one only when new information has been declassified libby able to shed light on earth goes all over the for the for her to be frank this place is not considered to be a very lucky at all that's were that's really why. this is the officer on duty august twenty second one thousand nine hundred ninety one five am boris yeltsin declares that their reactionary coup has failed and thanks to defenders of the white house. pm for the first saw him the three colored flag is raised over the supreme council of russia. yeltsin held for. only five months or left before the collapse of the soviet union. the morning when the t.v. newsman's fall and my valet. going past while the streets of the cafe. the turning point in russia's history. was a justified move forward. miming many years since the battle for democracy on our teeth. well the british soil the sun it's a spot on to the front. door to. the. markets why not. find out what's really happening to the global economy cause a report on. a new wave of panic on the walls small kids and dogs at the time i m

i first saw of the united states and won the event clearing four meters seventy nine russians and libby trial in the us and by over wasn't competing as there is every on a second eight centimeters behind what's on the track or not is eighteen year old kirani james was the start of four hundred metres in the fastest time this year forty four point six one seconds his first professional outing gonzalez a good way for second first round with holmes and first what the response is that a record time for the year in the women's four hundred meter hurdles her time of fifty two point seven line of the second faster than anyone else the season also looking good ahead of the world championships as a champion hurdle they won wrote this cuba he's american model take it all about just the thirteen seconds. this band. leader is very tired today but is ok but. he's my best this year and i'm not very good at it now is just over a month to go until the rugby world cup in new zealand dan carter kicked fifteen points as the all blacks comfortably beat australia thirty points to fourteen and the tri nation

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seek compromise so maybe that will continue i hope that it does because if it doesn't again because libby has so few democratic institutions in fact so few institutions of any kind even a modest fracturing of the transitional council will mean that total chaos all right thank you very much for joining us john graham former u.s. diplomat in libya my pleasure journalist and anti-war activist susan lindauer says the libyans will not give their oil to the west. i think that it is the end of the regime however i do not think that it is the end of the war i think that that nato has a very serious problem they have arrived on at the point of a gun they've brought demat quote unquote democracy to libya through guns and the people of libya are very angry at nato they are not jubilant they're either the rebels who have arrived are celebrating the people are not celebrating with them and there's a big difference if nato tries to send to ground forces into tripoli to occupy the city and to spring stability to the area they will create they will create another iraq situation i have no doubt of that at

everything that happens in these countries in one direction or any other entity a lot of for these libby can influence because of their power and leaders take i think you had it if you had your head down i was wondering if you if you were bored by a conversation or you were exasperated no no i'm not bored you know where are those where are those see differences well those see differences i basically see essential continue to be between the bush and obama administrations both domestically and in terms of foreign policy i don't think all that much has changed except for the mood music and the record in terms of what is concretely being done in different parts of the world in effect on this found which we haven't mentioned obama is actually escalate the war there have been more grown attacks on pakistan during the obama than in the entire eight years of the previous administration so one's got to preserve a balance and not be taken in. by the right trip which which is being thrown around i think essential in what is going on in the middle east today is sixteen lean port and if not bought a

kind of the way by two thousand and three and two thousand and four we've come to look at scooter libby david addington and other people including the vice president himself in that office we're running at times i just want to ask you one quick thing two three here talking about today dick cheney's book coming out today let's talk about the books that are being banned right now this is something that we covered on the show former f.b.i. agents. is the man who right is trying to document the connections the evidence that the cia had about nine eleven that perhaps some of the ways they could have stopped it but that is being. and so how does that affect the way to rewrite history and what the government wants but out there and look at the way going call this book the interrogator was heavily redacted through some very sophisticated footnoting care itself and that yes it's a problem we we can't ever we as americans basic fundamental american citizens can't get at the heart of these crimes we can't get to the heart of these misdemeanors because they're hidden by a government and as you just

you remember the scooter-libby leak, and the reason they were prosecuted for false statements rather than leak of information is it would have been impossible for them to prove that he knew the information was classified and that he intended to harm the government. more recently the obama administration tried to prosecute an official named drake and reeled they could not because of the espionage act. that's where the law draws a line. the question now is -- the pressure now is to expand that definition and allow for the prosecution to allow not only for leakers under this definition but also publications themselves. that would represent a tremendous threat to the first amendment. i agree with many people who conclude that such a law would be unconstitutional and violate the first amendment if it passed. so for all those reasons, i don't think prosecution is a productive angle. >> you just wanted to say something? >> yes, i wanted to say that our political and government cultures make it difficult for people who because they are precisely in authority and maybe have a chance to execut

fitzgerald, the guy from chicago, decided he could not prove the elements of that case against cheney or libby. >> a number of people seem to have been prosecuted for lying to the fbi. is there an obligation to talk to them when they see you, or can you just refuse to talk to them p >> might be good criminal lawyers here who have familiarity with that. my impression is you don't have to talk to them. they knock on your door, and you don't have to talk to them at all. they don't have legal compulsion on you to talk. if they subpoena you to a grand jury, you'll have to testify, and you can always take the fifth, but you can't take the first. [laughter] >> bill, would you go back and look at the espionage act and look at the word "unauthorized"? i thought it said if you are unthorsed, suppose you have the information in your authorized and to have it, is that a violation of the statute? >> i'm not sure i follow. >> if you have authorized to have it and you give it to somebody else, is that a violation of the statute? >> of someone not authorized. >> it initiates the exposure. >> not necessarily,

. >>> libby and tater mobar gaddafi's grip on power may be ending. libyan rebels making their advance on tripoli, and the frontline is less than 20 miles from the capital right now. there are reports that gadhafi and his two sons may have already left the country. triple he has a stronghold since the libyan civil war began. yesterday rebels seized the coastal city just 30 miles from the capital. >>> was an obama expected to release a new jobs plan very soon. >> on face the nation, they want to know what, is it going to fix our broken economy? nora or donna will interview john mccain on the republican side and former head of the democratic national committee to give the administration's point. it starts at 8:30 right here on cbs 5. >> coming up, fixing one of the worst schools in the state. we will talk to a man who booked all the trends. >> and nearly a million catholics had to sing. why some are protesting the religious event. >> and $2 gas from the tea party darlings very we will look at the other big problems from the campaign trail. >> and how we

we'll have an audience and talk about topics such as the iraq war, valerie plame, scooter libby and much more. thank you for being with us. >> greta: distressing question. is our government covering something up? new information about our government's bizarre fast and furious operation in which our government supplied weapons to mexican cartels. in -- one of those weapons ended up at the scene of the murder of one of our border patrol agents. there's news the acting director of the at if has been reassigned. is he being forced -- forced soe higher up? much more straight ahead. >> meanwhile, mexico's president is slamming the united states saying it is our drug problem that is causing the violence in his country. that's not all he's saying. >> plus, on the record special only right here. we'll show you how your tax dollars are being wasted. we are not talking millions, but billions and billions. we may have to peel you off the ceiling after you watch this one. >> first, have you heard about this? in the past two days, top two republican presidential contenders have accused the obama admin

you'll remember the scooter libby leak prosecution, and the reason that scooter libby was prosecutedfor false statements rather than for leaking classified information is because it would have been nearly impossible to prove that he knew the information was classified and that he intended to harm the government. more recently, the obama administration disgracefully tried to prosecute an official named drake and recently dropped the prosecution because they concluded they could not have met the espionage act requirements. so those are the -- that's where the law draws the line. and the pressure now is to expand that definition and to allow for the prosecution not only of leakers under this very limited definition, but also of publications themselves. and that would represent a tremendous threat to the first amendment. i agree with the many people who have concluded that such a law would be unconstitutional and would violate the first amendment if it passed. so for all these reasons, i really don't think that prosecution is a productive angle to think about. >> anyone have a follow up?

or maybe an apology to scooter libby who he hung up to dry for doing all of that.iting for an apology. i doubt it will ever come from this cynical old man. >> lizz winstead, it just seems to me that this is vintage dick cheney. he has no regrets. he wouldn't turn anything around even on torture. what do you make of that? >> well, you know, mike talks about clearing his name, he couldn't clear customs. he would be arrested immediately by many international courts. but you know, look at this guy. honestly, i think peace might be his kryptonite. never met a warrior to never get into. he's never met a person who he doesn't want to make ooingry and to continue saying waterboarding is fine, continue waterboarding suspects. sometimes i think that dick cheney wrote this book because there was still a couple of people that weren't sure that they're still on the fence of hating dick cheney and he wanted to make sure that he got everybody on board and i think that he did that. mission accomplished. >> mike, what about president bush? president bush could have accepted dick ch

now the libby at that you deserve is within your reach. going forward we will stay in close coordination with the tnc to support that outcome. the extraordinary events in libya remind us that fear can give way to hope and the power of people striving for freedom can bring about a brighter day. thank you very much. defense now on today's -- events in liby. from the u.n. headquarters in new york, this is 10 minutes. >> good morning, ladies and gentleman. it is a great pleasure to see you again. the dramatic scene we are witnessing in libya, in tripoli, are a testament to the courage and determination of the libyan people to save a free and democratic future. i welcome the assurances given by the chairman of the national transitional council, that extreme care would be taken to protect people and public institutions and to maintain law and order. forces to gaddafi's cease violence and make way for a smooth transition. i have been in touch with the chair person of the african yen, the secretary general of the league of arab states, and world l

he was seen as a successor to moammar gadhafi, he had helped to end libby's status, helped influencend the program that libya had of pursuing weapons of mass destruction. he opened libya for business, paid compensation to victims of the lockerbie bombing and their families. really, this was totally turned around acres 180. he was seen as a man who could actually help proeker some kind of peace deal when the fighting first broke out in libya, but he picked sides, he threw it all in. many said he was just a wolf in sheep's clothing. he was the man that got on television and talked about rivers of blood. he has been accused of organizing killings, mass murders of civilians, organizing mercenaries to come in and do the dirty work. a real fall from the perceptions he had many years ago. the international criminal court, though, does want to try him. >> zain verjee out of london. zain, you'll be with us, obviously, the next couple of hours as well. >>> also coming up, cnn's matthew chance at the hotel controlled by gadhafi forces. [ male announcer ] members of the american postal workers u

. >> i think we have a huge problem on our hands is that if we release oil from libya -- libby is a teenywill instantly say, what are not be doing it when you did it previously? i am worried about the direction we're. here in that pressure is building and the press is going to be a huge part of the pressure. the president needs to be working the phones right now, calling the king of saudi arabia, the leaders of saudi arabia, as well as other nations. i am worried about the timing of this news conference in an hour. we did not have time to push this back. the secretary of energy needs to be working the phones. i would not do a news conference. my strong recommendation to the president would be a statement. the problem with having a news conference is the press will already haul in on questions that we do not have answers for, and his part is to reassure the country. taking questions from the press will create a signal of lack of answers. i would change what we recommend to the president to do and push back the timing as well. >> that occur on the press, it is already out there that the pre

last night huddler the keynote speech at the al-libbi stay summit in orlando which press together teaartyers. he says he still being marginalized. >> what can i do about it? major networks turn you down, and they don't call you, you can't do a lot about it. >> earlier paul opened an office in new hampshire. the texas congressman wants to reform the tax system and reduce u.s. involvement in afghanistan and iraq. >>> minnesota congresswoman michele bachmann is spending part of this weekend campaigning in south carolina. >> i will guarantee you one thing, president bachman -- had hold bake sales if i need to make sure our men and women in uniform get your paychecks! >> she held a town hall meeting as part of her three-day swing through the state after winning last statistic's iowa straw poll. >>> former utah governor jon huntsman is addressing his relationship with president obama in a new cnn interview. in terms of personal relationship there's not a personal relationship. you work for your president, asked to serve. he's a good moon, he's ernest. but he has failed us on the most import

. >> i think we have a huge problem on our hands is that if we release oil from libya -- libby is a teenye press will instantly say, what are not be doing it when you did it previously? i am worried about the direction we're. here in that pressure is building and the press is going to be a huge part of the pressure. the president needs to be working the phones right now, calling the king of saudi arabia, the leaders of saudi arabia, as well as other nations. i am worried about the timing of this news conference in an hour. we did not have time to push this back. the secretary of energy needs to be working the phones. i would not do a news conference. my strong recommendation to the president would be a statement. the problem with having a news conference is the press will already haul in on questions that we do not have answers for, and his part is to reassure the country. taking questions from the press will create a signal of lack of answers. i would change what we recommend to the president to do and push back the timing as well. >> that occur on the press, it is already out there that

president went out of his way trying to get president bush up to the final days to pardon scooter libby. if that was not a direct connection it certainly was an improper use. i think he is a very, very good speaker. what frustrates me is somebody trying to bring the sides together -- most vice-president you think of historically go quietly away. this is one vice-president with just won't. and i wish to heaven he would. i am not sure why he wants to -- has to write a memoir host: coming up in about 25 minutes, steve forbes, president and ceo of "forbes" and former presidential candidate. we will talk about the economy and the new cbo numbers coming out. and also marc ginsberg later, former ambassador to morocco. and live a bit later, more of our coverage surrounding the dedication of the martin luther king memorial. today at noon, we will have live coverage of a luncheon, a civil- rights pioneers. honoring those from the past, present, and perhaps the future, at the convention center. live coverage on c-span at noon. it should be a two-hour long events. and also covered friday. and of co

president went out of his way trying to get president bush up to the final days to pardon scooter libbyif that was not a direct connection it certainly was an improper use. i think he is a very, very good speaker. what frustrates me is somebody trying to bring the sides together -- most vice-president you think of historically go quietly away. this is one vice-president with just won't. and i wish to heaven he would. i am not sure why he wants to -- has to write a memoir host: coming up in about 25 minutes, steve forbes, president and ceo of "forbes" and former presidential candidate. we will talk about the economy and the new cbo numbers coming out. and also marc ginsberg later, former ambassador to morocco. and live a bit later, more of our coverage surrounding the dedication of the martin luther king memorial. today at noon, we will have live coverage of a luncheon, a civil- rights pioneers. honoring those from the past, present, and perhaps the future, at the convention center. live coverage on c-span at noon. it should be a two-hour long events. and also covered friday. and of cour

scooter libby leaked this and was prosecuted for false statements because it would have been impossible to prove that he knew the information was classified and he intended to harm the government. the obama at evisceration try to prosecute an -- unsuccessfully tried to prosecute an individual named a drag but was an able. challenge now is to expand that definition and to allow the prosecutors to deal with publications. that would have a tremendous threat. such a law would be unconstitutional. i do not think constitution is a productive thing. >> there are political and government cultures that make it difficult for people because they are in an authority and can exercise authority. there is a lot of pressure on them not to do it. there's something going around right after wikileaks happens where someone surmise that if you were a law student and you're going to click through to the handful that have been published, our students were told if you ever want a job in the federal government, you are not to read them because they are unclassified. he cannot. if you do, and that will mean you

good morning,: libby. we are the largest women's public policy organization. we represent more than 500,000 women across the united states, and we have leaders in 43 states, and we have women who are part of action teams in every single state. we are very much of a grass- roots organization, very concerned about the issues that face this country. that is who we are. we have headquarters in the u.s., the state capital, the nation's capital, at the corner of 15th and k. host: and you are a conservative organization. guest: we are conservative, pro- life, pro-marriage, pro-family. host: how do you pick issues and which side to get on? guest: we have the six core issues that govern what we address, because we cannot address everything. those are the things we focus on. as i said, we are grass-roots organization, and that is kind of unusual, actually, for washington, d.c. so many organizations just have a national headquarters here, and that staff handles everything. as i said, we have the state leaders unfair action teams in every single state. -- and fair action

you'll remember that scooter libby leak prosecution and the reason scooter libby was prosecuted for false statements because it would have been nearly impossible to prove that he knew the information was classified and that he attempts on the government. more recently the obama administration disgracefully tried to prosecute an individual named drake and they dropped the prosecution because they knew they wouldn't have been able to meet the spunk requirements. and that's where the law draws the line and it's to expand the definition and to allow for the prosecution not only of leakers under this very limited definition but also of public publications themselves and that would represent a tremendous threat to the first amendment. i agree with the many people that it would be requirements and i don't think prosecution is a productive angle. >> yes, i want to say that our political and governmental cultures make it the authority to exercise discretion on whether to bring a prosecution or to make an exception. there's a lot of pressure on them once they are in authority not to do it. there wa

libby, who's 5, travis -- patrick travis my name sake who's 4 and janie kate who's this year and i moved back to south carolina so i could be down the street from them. and then suddenly i found myself facing a question about what i would do -- how could i stay out of politics and i'll speak to that in a second. but i've been working on a book and it's called "america is too young to die" and the thesis of it is rather simple. that every generation in our history faces a test. the test of whether it will earn the right to call itself american. before there was a united states, there was an america. and the right -- and in that america, the moral -- the ultimate moral commandment was simple. you give your children better than you had. you give them more opportunity, greater freedom. and it was the test of honor. and for each generation who's had to face that test, whether they meet their destiny or whether they betray their responsibility. we're in the first generation in history that stands in the precipice after 21 generations who's successfully us all to stand to be the first generatio

you will remember the scooter libya leak-- libby leak. it would have been nearly impossible to prove that he knew it was classified. more recently, the obama administration try to prosecute an official and recently dropped it because they could not have met the a spinoff are requirements. that is where the law draws the line. the question now is to expand that definition and allow for the expansion of leaking under this limited definition but also of publications themselves which represent a tremendous threat to the first amendment. i agree with the people who concluded that such a law would violate the first amendment. for all these reasons, i do not think that the prosecution as productive. >> at our political and governmental cultures make it difficult for people precisely because they are in authority and maybe have a chance to exercise some discretion or make an exception. there's a lot of pressure on them once they are in authority not to do it. there were something going on where someone had survived -- surmised that if you were a