you are part of a group, the palestinian liberation organisation, but particularly yasser arafat, fatahy, strategic decision in the early 1990s to pursue a two—state negotiated solution with israel, right? true, accurate. and right through the early 1990s, you got the oslo accords. it appeared that that peace might be achieved. the organisation most determined to destroy that peace was hamas, started letting off the suicide bombs in israel, which radicalised the israeli population and which, over time, saw that oslo dream die. is it not time for you to recognise that hamas is your strategic enemy? it is my time to be accurate and true and represent the very plight of my own people. what you just said is true. we, the plo, we, the national movement, yasser arafat took a very brave decision 30 years ago exactly. there were three sides to that equation. there was us, and we were asked to do three things — recognise israel, commit to negotiations and nonviolence, and commit to international resolutions and international legitimacy. we have done that since then, until this moment. the second

diana buttu, lawyer and former spokeswoman for the palestine liberation organisation. in tel aviv, gideon levy, columnist at the israeli newspaper haaretz and author of the punishment of gaza. if i could start with diana, how common, how rare is it in modern political discourse to hear a government minister openly vowing to starve a population of food, water, electricity and fuel? diana: this is not at all new for israel. the seige has been in place for 17 years. and much longer than that, if you look at the system of closure. the problem is that israelis have gotten used to this process of dehumanizing palestinians. we heard as much yesterday when he called palestinians human animals. the fact he gets to do so with complete impunity, it is this that has led to the events of this past week, that somehow they believe that they can do whatever they want to palestinians in the history only began on saturday. discounting 56 years of military occupation, 56 years of what they saw over the course of the past 48 hours. sami: something has changed, this was a territory, gaza h

we were seen to have taken sides in elementary a civil war, but also between the palestine liberation organisation israel. so we angered one of the sides enough to try to kill us. a tactical lesson that we learned was that the rules of engagement the american forces deployed at the time were designed to avoid escalation, which is a laudable objective, but admitted that the response in real time was insufficient, meaning that some of our guards were not allowed to fire at and approaches we sidetracked. those rules of engagement subsequently to. i think in the current crisis, it is relevant because of what we have all been talking about, is the advanced deployment of tremendous force. and the repeated warnings that the united states believes it, it provoked -- if provoked. if someone tries to expand the conflict. james: ok, thank you very much for that lesson from history. for all the talk of a. pivot to asia, it seems the u.s. is being forced back to the middle east. thanks to all our guests, colin clarke, omar rahman and glenn carle. you can find much more detail on the conflict on our website. an

dr sabri saidam, senior member of fatah, a faction once led by yasser arafat, palestinian liberation organisationon to the intensification of the strikes tonight and potentially the strikes tonight and potentially the expansion of the ground operations? well, shocked, horrified, dismayed, as a palestinian, that humanity can go this low. i can't believe this is a war against the palestinian faction, it is a war against the palestinian people. over it is a war against the palestinian people. 0ver7000 it is a war against the palestinian people. over 7000 people have been killed, the majority are women and children and that exceeds 70%, half of the houses of gaza have been demolished. i don't think this is a war against a faction, if anything this is ethnic cleansing that israel is perpetrating. this is ethnic cleansing that israel is perpetrating— this is ethnic cleansing that israel is perpetrating. well, the israelis, the idf, are _ is perpetrating. well, the israelis, the idf, are very _ is perpetrating. well, the israelis, the idf, are very clear, _ is perpetrating. well, the israelis, the idf,

are lots of scenarios out there, including comparisons to what happened to the palestinian liberation organisationnvaded lebanon, pushed them out, and the plo with a leader at the time, got on the ship and sailed off to the tune easier. it's hard to see how this would work out if this were to unfold in a similarfashion with out if this were to unfold in a similar fashion with hamas militants, but we are not there yet. what we are more worried about now in lebanon is the potentialfor an escalation on the border between lebanon and israel. there have been exchanges of fire over the last few weeks, over the last few days since the october attack. in a sense, hezbollah, which is notjust a local militia a political group, but also a regional paramilitary force of foot soldiers with forces in syria, yemen and iraq, has —— hezbollah needs to show us apart, but at the same time it needs to calculated very carefully because my sense is that neither they or iran want to fall on war with israel. and certainly the chorus of voices out of lebanon at the moment is, yes, support for the palestinian cause, but we

the us secretary of state and the regional actors that we are engaging as the palestinian liberation organisationnd jordan and his majesty will be meeting the prime minister, so there is a lot of movement in that direction but these diplomatic efforts should not have been needed in the first place. nobody should be diplomatically calling for humanitarian corridors and the opening of the passage. and these diplomats leaders should be calling for a solution right now. the bar is very low.— calling for a solution right now. the bar is very low. more of that interview later _ the bar is very low. more of that interview later in _ the bar is very low. more of that interview later in the _ the bar is very low. more of that. interview later in the programme. in the next few moments. —— in a moment we'll speak to yossi landau, the southern israel commander for zaka, an israeli search and rescue organisation. but, before we go to that interview — a warning that some of the detail and accounts we will hear are likely to be both graphic and disturbing. if you'd rather not hear that, perhaps step away for th

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hamas as i said, they're not the palestinian liberation organisation.is in their charter. that is what they say on their broadcast networks. thatis on their broadcast networks. that is what this is. it's a different question when you're talking about fatah even if talking about fatah or even if you're talking hezbollah you're talking about hezbollah in are different in lebanon. they are different organisations. >> has been the >> the narrative has been the same. explicit. same. okay hamas is explicit. you're saying? i think they show themselves . i fully. that's what themselves. i fully. that's what they do. >> i fully agree. but then the un have condemned israel's advice to people. un have condemned israel's adthat people. un have condemned israel's adthat do ople. un have condemned israel's adthat do you. un have condemned israel's adthat do you mean? >> what do you mean? >> what do you mean? >> israel condemned the un, >> israel have condemned the un, failed russias failed to condemn russias invasion of ukraine. >> you you're doing what >> you cannot

the palestine liberation organisation's support for iran's revolution culminated in the symbolic transitionom an israeli embassy in tehran to a palestinian one. the appalling events of recent days compels us to examine the alliance between iran and hamas more carefully. iran and hamas more carefully. iran iran's manipulative actions exert a powerful influence in the middle east. for instance, the middle east. for instance, the hamas attack on israel has now, according to reports, made a us brokered peace deal between saudi arabia and israel less likely. the abraham accords that iran doesn't like because it normalises relations between other middle eastern states and israel. and iran has its own disagreements with saudi arabia. it has its own conflict with saudi arabia. as to who is more important in the middle east. so it's hardly surprising to find iran's fingerprints on a disagreement between states and to try and get its claws into it, to stop it . and we need to it, to stop it. and we need to be clear about this because the problem is the west has to recognise what the threat is , is re

but the dominant position palestinian position of the palestinian liberation organisation, when theys to have secular where have a secular state where people have 111, one member, one vote. >> so you're saying when people are they're not are chanting that they're not saying remove the jews altogether? >> the majority not. no. >> and those who are supporting hamas, they're clearly saying that, supporting that, yeah, if you're supporting hamas, yeah, we're agreed on that. >> so disagreement, agreed >> so my disagreement, we agreed that could have saved that maybe we could have saved a lot time and what about that maybe we could have saved a lot disagreementand what about that maybe we could have saved a lot disagreement with vhat about that maybe we could have saved a lot disagreement with you about that maybe we could have saved a lot disagreement with you abouis my disagreement with you here is not that hamas are bad, hamas are bad. good. my disagreement with terrorists, with you here, hamas terrorists, you're say that with you here, hamas terrorists, you're not say that with you her

his closest ally in the region and not creating some false morkel is between a terrorist organisation that liberallylls babies versus a military trying to protect its civilians and doing of it in his power to minimise civilian casualties against a terrorist adversary that the liberally uses human shields. we will leave it there, then. brad bowman, thank you for your input and your thoughts. during his visit to israel, president biden restated his administration's commitment to peace between israel and the palestinians. one area where both live and work together, is eastjerusalem. under international law, it's considered a part of the west bank, and therefore, palestinian territory. the bbc�*s clive myrie been to find out what both communites the bbc�*s clive myrie been to find out what both communities think about the events of the last few days. in occupied eastjerusalem, some palestinians and jews living here prefer to keep a wide berth. but cheek byjowl, they live. to reach the western wall, a sacred site in thejewish faith, you went to the old city ofjerusalem through the damascus gate, an impor

that hamas is like the ira or even the previous palestinian liberation liberation i mean, liberation organisation because hamas, its explicit aim is the eradication of israel and to kill jews. so that's why it's much more difficult to have a serious, not a great starting point. it's not a good starting point. it's not a good starting point for a negotiation. it's their aim is an islamist their aim is for an islamist caliphate. it's not for it's not even the liberation of even for the liberation of palestine. doesn't care about palestine. it doesn't care about palestinians. uses palestinians. it uses palestinians. it uses palestinians as human shields. its leaders are enriching themselves in qatar. so that is a very different kind of set of circumstances. >> right. we'll come back to this. >> you're watching and listening to sunday with me, emily to gb news sunday with me, emily kabul to gb news sunday with me, emily kabul. we've more kabul. we've got lots more coming up. going to get coming up. we're going to get the from israel hamas the latest from the israel hamas war. palestinians have been w

her liberation came after hamas, proscribed a terror organisation by many western governments, released of three other hostages, all women, who are still in capitivty. in the 76—second clip, which the bbc is not showing, the women are seated together on plastic chairs. 0nly danielle aloni, in the middle, speaks. addressing the camera she accuses benjamin netanyahu and the israeli government of failing to defend them. she says, "we are getting punished for your political, national neglect." this on the day when israeli troops and tanks attack gaza city from both sides. here's mark. the israeli army has mounted a succession of probing missions into gaza during the past week. the information blackout that started on friday has been lifted, apparently due to american pressure on israel. so today we know that the northernmost advance has been developed about four kilometres into gaza, along the coast. and the one just south of gaza city to the point where the salah al—dini main road has been cut. in these advances the israelis seem to be trying to draw out their enemy into an unfairfight. as

he then went on to assert that hamas was not a terrorist organisation but a liberation group waging athe un's calls for a ceasefire and appears to be intensifying its strikes against hamas and the idf said that it's also thwarted a maritime assault by hamas using specialist frogmen raiding an israeli beach. >> our security editor mark white has the latest from tel aviv . aviv. >> just hours after the un secretary—general called for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire in gaza, this was israel's response . a further response. a further intensification of airstrikes against what israel says were hamas positions in including command and control compounds, ammunition stores and rocket launchers . but with many of launchers. but with many of those hamas positions right in the centre of residential areas , the centre of residential areas, the centre of residential areas, the toll on gaza's civilians is enormous. >> the attack amid the hamas controlled health ministry claim that more than 700 died in the latest round of israeli strikes , latest round of israeli strikes, dismissing the secreta

they don't understand that hamas is an islamist organisation, that is completely opposed to, you know, liberal west. you know, this is an organisation that murders gay men . you know, that murders gay men. you know, it is beyond the pale . and yet it is beyond the pale. and yet the left seems to think that they are, you know, the new cause and for them it's very bizarre . bizarre. >> for useful idiots, you might call some of them con just a simple question , a simple simple question, a simple question. when you see free palestine sign flags and protests, what do you take that to mean? free palestine was the question. >> i mean, i suppose the fundamental thing is that since the six day war , a lot of the the six day war, a lot of the palestinian territory has been under military rule since it was conquered by israel , you know, conquered by israel, you know, 60 odd years ago. so i think from the palestinian perspective and i've lived i've lived out in the region and i know i know the issues very well. the palestinians are desperate to have their own country. that was the original plan or the pe

liberal democracy ? >>i ? >> i think it's at the very least disgusting, organised thing and expressing, i think i mean , i agreethe mean, i agree with you about the protection of freedom of speech and i agree with you for the right to protest. absolutely core parts of the value system that make up the united kingdom . quite . but there's something quite disgusting about people celebrating and of course the death of these 250 illegal. yeah. and but that's not my point. my point is something has gone terribly wrong in british society. if we've got swathes of people coming out celebrating the death of 250 young people having a party in israel, and that that's not a legal thing, something culturally is going wrong with our nation state. >> and but so the point that i would make is it's disappointing that this government's response to a cultural issue of which you've outlined very clearly is always to smash it with a legal hammer and for the development of universal values in a nation that cannot happen by a kind of top down state oppression of think you're right. >> but i agree with pretend that this is just a prob

he said that hamas was not a terrorist terrorist organisation, but a liberation group .ation group. and now today, these comments and yeah, more reaction, of course, as we get it and more on this changing situation, more smoke there on that border with lebanon. >> now we've been used to bringing you some gloomy news in the economy, shall we? well go into reverse gear and tell you that car manufacturers have recorded their best september since 2020, up 40% compared to this time last year. >> there's always a but though and the but is that growth could be under threat as it is just months before new brexit trade regulations come into force. so let's hear . from regulations come into force. so let's hear. from our economics and business editor liam halligan about this with on the money she had to go for the but she she the cat's mother. >> yeah . anyway, good, bad or >> yeah. anyway, good, bad or indifferent it's really good news. >> so the british car making industry employs about 850,000 people, both directly and in supply chains. it's obviously hugely important in the mi

liberating palestine. i was a bit surprised when they were confident about talking about this. and also in people —— people in gaza were surprised to see hamas carrying out organisedt military force in the middle east is israel. these people say they had no choice after 17 years, the lack of jobs, lack of opportunity, the quality of life is such that even some of the people justify what hamas did by saying this is the last chance for them to improve their life position. chance for them to improve their life position-— chance for them to improve their life osition. ~ ., , ., life position. where does hamas get its weapons — life position. where does hamas get its weapons from? _ life position. where does hamas get its weapons from? some _ life position. where does hamas get its weapons from? some of - life position. where does hamas get its weapons from? some of the - its weapons from? some of the wea ons its weapons from? some of the weapons are — its weapons from? some of the weapons are locally _ its weapons from? some of the weapons are locally made - its weapons from? some of the weapons are locally made our. weapons are locally made our smuggled. back in 2013

liberal democratic state and it therefore subscribes the international rules based order. and comes and with that comes responsibility for a proportionate response. hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisationtion. israel has been accused of war crimes in both gaza and in the west bank. but under the un convention, a country has the right to defend itself from armed attack . even itself from armed attack. even when committed war crimes when hamas committed war crimes such as the slaughtering of 40 babies or the gunning down of innocent unarmed civilians. israel responded, in my israel has responded, in my view, legitimate . utley of view, legitimate. utley of course, israel makes mistakes like any government does . we like any government does. we made mistakes in the wars waged in iraq or afghanistan, for example . but not to see the example. but not to see the fundamental distinction between accidental damage and flat out terrorism is not to take this subject seriously. well, my next guest was interviewed about these allegations of israeli war crimes on the bbc over the weekend . and every strike that weekend. and every strike that israel takes , every military israel takes, every military

the bbc of course have been accused of bias and this this liberal metropolitan mindset seems to have infused a lot of organisationstrue. >> although dup organisations like gb news are doing quite well, you know, in fighting back against that kind of stuff, well, that created , i think well, that was created, i think well, that was created, i think we created by that vacuum. we were created by that vacuum. >> yeah, i think, i >> i think, yeah, i think, i think, you know, true that think, you know, it's true that there clearly this kind of there is clearly this kind of received wisdom. >> is kosher to say in >> what is kosher to say in certain areas for certain industries. but i also think that there are you know, a lot of voices count entering that gb news notwithstanding, you know, there's just so many people out there's just so many people out there who are criticising , there who are criticising, saying, you know, frazer's work at the spectator, the stuff that we do as well, you know. so i would say that it's not like as if we're like a one party state. we only one opinion, but we only have one opinion, but ther

palestinians, but it sort of was a very fine line between self liberation for the attacks on israel and indeed for the terrorist organisationcres of innocents in the region. >> i think we have gideon back now. gideon, can you hear us? have we re—established comms with you? you have. we have you back. okay. so you were just outlining the fact even outlining the fact that even though it is illegal to protest in favour of groups like hamas and we've seen actually in france, the police going in and breaking up such protests in the uk , there doesn't seem to be any uk, there doesn't seem to be any firm action, just lots of talk . firm action, just lots of talk. >> yeah, and that's the thing. you know, we always get as the jewish community, we always end up with reassurances from politicians and police forces and they have good and no doubt they have good intentions and no doubt they have good intentiowhen it comes to actually >> but when it comes to actually deaung >> but when it comes to actually dealing with these things, we've learned from experience learned from long experience that unfortunately , those that unfortunately,

liberal values. and you can from these messages can see from these messages coming from many people that worked in head office that this was writ large across the organisation people what they had to say about my connections with russia. it is absolutely astonishing . one of absolutely astonishing. one of the biggest cases of fake news you've ever seen in your entire life. but they believed it. they believed it backed up by a journalist at an outlet of note. >> then there was a ted talk involved. then there was a netflix . netflix. >> well, there was, of course, the russia hoax that came from the guardian, a carole the guardian, from a carole cadwalladr was the name of the journalist a journalist who's now lost a libel action over this to arron banks . but my case, it was banks. but my case, it was a front bencher, a front bencher for the labour party called sir chris bryant. >> that's not the bloke who's written book ethics, it? written a book on ethics, is it? >> the guy who says, >> that is the guy who says, when we make a mistake, must when we make a mistake, we must hold our hands it now turns hold our hands up. it now turns out the last day before out