even you guys don't agree with that stuff. >> what attracted you to libertarianism? >> i kind of have a boring story. i grew up in a republican household but my parents were libertarian. i grew up in the detroit area. they were pro-business but socially liberal broadly speaking, and i eventually said yes but i am, then i found recent magazine and now i work there. >> the author of this book is panic attack young radicals in the age of trump. thanks for joining us on the tv. >> my pleasure. thank you. the executive director of the sentencing project and the meaning of life published by new press. what is the sentencing project new? >> we are engaged in research and advocacy on criminal justice reform trying to describe how we can end mass incarceration and have a better strategy all around. >> over 200,000 americans are currently sentenced to life. how is this unique to the rest

academics, against more libertarian social forms, the defense of the individual freedom, especially in personal life, sexual life and so forth so that we've divided the worlds between two kinds of liberalism. one of which gave special place to the market. one of which gave special place to the states. in many ways what this debate has led us to believe, is that this spans the possible views of what should constitute normal politics. since i published the books, we're seeing a frame of reference outside of that. a settled debate within the liberal frame and now it's debated, the frame itself. it seems across the world i'm in london, the debates over brexit, and trump in the united states, all question within the liberal democracies, whether or not the liberal assumptions are themselves viable. >> so self-government is ailing. you could say that and one other thing, liberalism did not support. kickly if the end in person of liberalism as an ideology is the freedom of individuals from each other and that makes self-governing and commenting exceedingly difficult. in many ways i have a c

. >> it was 28,000 people who voted as libertarians.they are conservative, they don't want to vote for the democrats, and i think at the end of the day they will be our voters in the final analysis. lou: the margin is 5,000 votes and 28,000 libertarian votes? >> they will be our votes next year in the presidential race. the bottom line is virginia was going south on us and we had to fight for that. kentucky is a solid republican state. mississippi is a solid republican state. lou: by the way, while we are talking about libertarians, hillary clinton complaining about jill stein. but there is real simple empirical evidence of how much it cost president trump in 2016 because gary johnson the libertarian candidate took six states? it's stunning stuff. that would have amounted to 37 more electoral votes. >> there will always be a third party, a fourth party. you have to win with less than 50% of the vote. trump will do well in the states he would be last time. even the democrats are still worried. after thinking he stole the election, he obv

he said you sound like a libertarian.e box of left or right, but i was not a since rest -- centrist, i thought, if you call me that again, i will punch you. but i didn't understand that term i never heard it before. kennedy: you took a deep dive, you started reading and investigating and learning and that is what i love about your process, you follow various libertarians, you read a lot of books, you can site some of key passages on demand and you work that to local politics which is not easy thing to do. >> it not, local politics is really where rubber meets the road. we always talk about government. but, you know this local level, to get ideas across, it is -- it can be more difficult at local level, but idea that you know people should be free to live their lives without interference as long as they are not hurting anyone else. kennedy: have you been around the world have you great success, you told people before they voted for you, i don't need this job, i want this job, that is what makes story great, if you love wre

[applause] >> i want to go to the libertarian, we know drug addiction is bad but what drives me crazyut the meth thing, meth is already legal, its speed , prescribed to millions of people, adderall, ritalin, saturated in the media everybody that i work with in magazines, they are everywhere and yet were making meth to be the devil. >> a libertarian nightmare, a libertarian would ideally legalize all drugs, the nightmare is using taxpayer money to do that. because i completely agree, if i'm going to spend half a million dollars on something which i only do on one of my yachts. [laughter] i'm going to make sure it kind of works, no one got off mess because of the ad. i watched it and said weird but okay, you did all this money to address the drug problem and you use it to talk that were on drugs. that's like you donated money to a charity to fight children's hunger. and they use that money to film all the kids talking about how hungry they are. >> here's some food. give them food. but again if we legalize all drugs and regulate them and make everything safer it's called harm reduction.

as you know i've been a republican an independent a democrat now i'm a libertarian and that party does have a plan and a democrat now i'm a libertarian and that party does have that platform no foreign entanglements and that's what george washington his farewell address what form no foreign entanglements and that's what george washington his farewell address warned way back in the 17 hundreds and that's what president eisenhower warned about way back in the 17 hundreds and that's what president eisenhower warned about so the libertarian party is the strongest party and not getting into these quagmires and the libertarian party is the strongest party and not getting into these quagmires and so finally i found a party that reflects how i feel and as you said so funny i found a party that reflects how i feel and as you said the quagmires just continue on and on well adult turn to dust or complexes doing cartwheels the quagmires just continue on and on well adult turn to dust or complexes doing cartwheels apropos usa politics and admittedly off topic but i must ask if you want to pass apro

increasing job opportunities all those great things that are offered by small parties like the libertarian party are now essentially off the table when you have 2 major parties who are borderline colluding on everything sort of reducing the number of political options and restricting things to 'd things that people even want that's where we get into a huge problem so that's going to be of course going to hurt most of all the parties but it's going to be even worse hurt the american people. ok just before we go to break i want to bring you to texas again in the u.s. where a raging fire at a chemical plant and it's very much ongoing at least 3 workers now reportedly being hospitalized following a blast which happened at a run 1 am local time it's about 4 coming up to 4 30 in the morning there and so it's been raging for hours and windows were shattered homes buildings several miles away as well there there's no word yet on what caused the incident we do know what happened at the t.p.c. plant you're seeing here which makes products for the chemicals and petroleum industries and we will of cou

or we heard from one of the leaders of the libertarian parties national committee who thinks this state polls decision is an example of silencing challengers. what we see right now is just an aspect of an ongoing war to silence all political dissenting parties and every state you see which ever parties are dominant trying to silence all possible challengers it's going to hammer them i mean we're told we're talking about something that's going to restrict access it's going to hurt donations it's going to really prevent ideas from spreading but it's going to hurt the american people more and hurt the people of new york more because the things that could improve their lives ranging from ending the drug war making home schooling easier getting the government entirely out of education cutting taxes increasing job opportunities all those great things that are offered by small parties like the libertarian party are now essentially off the table when you have 2 major parties who are borderline colluding on everything sort of reducing the number of political options and restricting things to 'd

>> it's a great concern to all civil libertarians.are seeing is the invention of crimes that don't exist. what we read about now is suddenly it's a new crime to publish the name of a whistle-blower. i spent this afternoon searching the statute books, i simply couldn't find that crime. i search the statute books, i couldn't find the crime of collusion, i search the books, i couldn't find the crime of obstruction of congress, it's dangerous for political opponents to invent new crimes without having to pass by the legislature. every civil libertarian ought to be up in arms by anybody who wants to invent new crimes and apply them retroactively, the constitution prohibits ex post facto laws and we see people trampling all over the constitution, it's a dangerous situation. >> laura: it's a very important to talk about how they are trying to twist arms of people in the highest levels of the trump administration but to his point, here's what the legal experts -- the people who know better are saying about outing the whistle-blower, watch. >>

need the nation for people to live in there is no such thing as free-floating libertarian people outr. like everyone belongs to something everyone lives somewhere and everyone has to be governed. there has to be rules even for the market and for trade to work. >> it's an acceptable answer? [laughter] >> i think it's a great one. if you want to take answers or make any judgment. just the neutral observer. that's a good place to end the discussion on nationalism today. let's think rich lowry. [applause] rich is going to be outside signing books and we have a little reception for you if you want to bother him with more questions and thank you all for being here. [inaudible background conversations]

they were the left libertarian right libertarian and it is like whatever it takes, 60 pages to get there but basically the islamic and german sort of questionable, why can't we have evidence of an association of blah blah blah there more steps in the book and that is a scary thing. there is this not, or it is weird kind of traditional thing as an underdog economically it just sort of is. it is weird to talk about it that way but it is just kind of is the case. and there also is the reluctance institutionalized thing is what i about it. when i show up to the parties, the inauguration we can animate this party and is very wavy. which you know is you have to explain it. they are all, and this is me trying to vicariously go, what is the thrill for them. no other way i can hit on it was to go okay, they're fighting it with is the part of the eighth greg part of me don't tell me not to skateboard on that statute. i would do if i want to. but the statute you are staying on is called democratic forum. let him sharper you it is fun right now prep the notion that women should be allowed to work in

freedom fest libertarian conference in las vegas talking with authors and now joining us is the former "new york times" reporter whose most recent book is wild bill the true story of the american frontiers first gunfighter. what do we know about wild bill and what should we know? >> not much into that is one of the motivations for doing the buck. it's all in the name. there hasn't been a biography since the 1960s. there's been a lot of scholarships since then. most of what we know is a rumor, fabrication. he was a famous outlaw. he was the most dynamic that's true to some extent but he also spent a lot of time. he was a great gun man he cannot shoot anybody, that's true. he died because somebody shot him in the back. there's so much we don't know. he was a civil war fire he spent two years of the civil war behind confederate lines. we have the rumor or the story that the love of his life was calamity jane. the movie with jeanne cooper and jean arthur. that isn't true is the only adversary of the united states speak to al[inaudible] all these things we don't know about wild bill that we

when ronald ragan became president, he brought in many markets, libertarian angela administration. we did not have situations where there was the protection so when next administration came in, you were able to have changeover. with george question san quentin, you had a change. now because it's so impossible to find someone there's so much production that obama put into place and protection of bureaucrat, they stayed in power. i 8000 people in services, 8000 people who are key players in hiring and firing and making decisions that are resistant at the highest level of bureaucracy. >> what are the roots that deep state? >> the government bureaucracy, betting about peter's, they were able to move about policy regardless of what was happening at the top. you could see if turkey, all kinds of politics going on. a lot of turmoil going on. a lot of instability. the bureaucracy in turkey cap stability within the infrastructure. keep the roles to be able to jump with both infrastructure and also be able to pick people well. the companies religiously infrastructure. lecture credit solution

i'm a libertarian so my philosophy is not to use the government to try to protect adult boneheads from themselves so i'd end the drug war which is in my opinion a foolish replay of alcohol prohibition causing all the same social problems, without alcohol prohibition we never would have gotten al capone and without drug prohibition we never would have heard of el chapo so we should restore the american government to the original standing principles, allow adults to use whatever they want as long as they bear responsibility for it. may i have your comment, please? guest: i would be delighted to respond to that. there is a very active debate in mexico going on now about the legalization of drugs. the mexican congress has recently proved legislation legalizing marijuana and there are proposals out there for the legalization of other drugs as well. but of course the legalization of drugs in mexico would just be one very small step towards this. what we really need to see, as you say, is a debate here in the united states about it. now, i mean, there are many different sides to this argument

. >> no, and there also was a third-party candidate, a guy named jim hicks who ran as a libertarian,e took up about 2% of the vote. in the end, the split was 0.3%, about 1.5 million votes cast in less than 5,000 both made the difference. to say he is demanding a recount is a little oversimplifying, there is a process out here that involves re-canvassing, recounting the votes, and ultimately contesting the election, if it is determined there was a problem. one of the things we heard in bevin speech, if he determines the people of kentucky did, indeed, choose his opponent, he is going to wish him the best moving forward. it should be noted his opponent, democrat andy beshear, has already given his victory speech. laura? >> laura: mike, thanks so much. we will stay on this tonight, any developments. and a stunning admission caught on a hot mic today, project veritas released video of abc's anchor amy robach saying her network killed the story exposing jeffrey epstein's alleged sex crimes years ago. >> i had the interview with virginia roberts, we would not be on the air. first of all, i

plowing money into communities that have been impacted by the war on drugs, that can offend the libertarianleagues and so we remain, i think, still very far apart, which is so frustrating because as your platform demonstrates, a vast majority of the country wants to see sensible marijuana reform and because we're going to fight about how much of the money is going to go into traditionally communities that have been impacted by the war on drugs, we may be the cow that starves equidistant between two haystacks because we can't figure out which one to move ford first. >> kelleyanne conway was a guest of mine months ago and she was here in her role as the white house drug coordinator. we were focused on opioids. and i raised this subject with her in the context of an opioid discussion. i want to show you just a snippet of what she said to me. >> for all the folks who talk about the benefits and the legality of marijuana, there are many health professionals and employers increasingly concerned that this is not your grandfather or your father's marijuana. the tch components are much stronger. we

the libertarian party is pretty established around the country can there be a possible libertarian candidateas trying not to bring him up. >> brother question is that that is the 23rd republican to resign or hold another office. are you worried about other retirees popping up. >> so the combined average of the republican favorability of those 23 seats that have retired i think we will retain most of those and 17 others will be battleground we need a smaller number to flip the house 19 that's a smaller threshold than pelosi had in 2018 and we have identified 8 million disengages that did not show up at the 28 team midterms so you look where the president one when he is on the ballot he will help with those candidates also that recruitment arm of the and rcc has done a phenomenal job. >> like wesley hunt in the houston texas there's a lot of big recruits that's much less than 2018. so that being said we want to win back the house putting the groundwork in place to do that and also california we can win some seats back. >> i don't know. looking for signs for organization justin is justin will d

people say you are libertarian.what does libertarian have to do with anything? lawrence lawrence storing data. i don't like the government. if other company does it i gave them consent. >> dana: what if amazon says we are going to work with the government? >> lawrence: then we will have a problem. >> doug: that the problem with technology. >> dana: we have one. if i want to know what the weather is i look at my phone. >> lawrence: i look at my to play the oceans at night because i go to sleep that way. you can do all types of stuff. >> dagen: i have old school sound machine or turn the faucet on in the bathroom. i want the alexa to yell at me. like an arlie voice. >> doug: what do you want alexa so-to-say? >> dagen: who won the game last night alexa. the cowboys lost because they suck! [laughter] >> doug: bills were pretty good i thought. >> lawrence: now everyone's alexas going off. texas and video going viral after he lost her hamster. screen shots minute by minute dissent into madness. please call me as soon as y

you've got the establishment republicans beings libertarians, the populists they are all united now toey, these radical democrats are not going to be able to overturn the 2016 election and not going along with the nullification project and i've canceled my european trips throughout the world to star this with all volunteers right now from the trump campaign and people that supported president trump over the years that say as volunteers , we're going to setup and take notice and say hey this is not acceptable. maria: what is your reaction to what went on this weekend in iowa. you had the democratic candidates in iowa talking about their own agenda while also trying to trash president trump. i want your take on the current lineup. >> the liberty and justice used to be the jefferson jackson day. it's the single-most important event that will happen before the iowa caucus. besides bernie sanders, i listen to the speeches. of the next four candidates of warren and mayor pete and kamala harris and joe biden, i didn't hear impeached mentioned once. they think impeached, they say they hate tru

. >> on location at freedom fest libertarian convention - - convention in las vegas now we want to introduce you to one author teethree teaching at dy you in idaho here is the cover of his book there is a god. in the last days what you referencing. >> im referencing obviously there is a lot of work that to be very aggressive they usually talk about the four horsemen there is a book called the god delusion and sam harris and daniel and they call them the four horsemen that they are aggressive and they are a greedy. the 20th century was live and let live if you want to believe that is your business but now they say i don't believe that i want to make sure nobody else leaves either so it's a crusade. part of that plays off on the apocalyptic of the atheist but the last days of talk you of the latter day saints so for instance you have a catholic tradition where they make a lot of philosophical arguments and a whole range of things. that a protestant tradition focusing on the text martin luther at this the bible is the ultimate authority. so those that want to go back and look at text themselves

biggest press libertarian family in the country calling for more government involvement. there's something about that that just feels -- >> the man who defended ed snowden's right to be a whistleblower and reveal secrets. >> it's also just almost irrelevant at this point what the whistleblower has to say, because people who have more direct knowledge of what was going on have already testified. those people are out there, their names are out there, they face questioning from republicans as well in these hearings, and so this is a red herring. it's an effort by the president and his allies to create a boogieman who is invisible, who doesn't have a name, who is hiding in the shadows, but that person is less relevant than the people with more direct knowledge who have testified to all the facts. >> the world of facts. you use the word fact there which is important. less relevant in the world of facts but in the political argument that is impeachment -- >> this is a continuation of what he and others are saying they want very much, as abby said, to make a bad guy here. >>> up

and i'm not willing to say our values don't matter in some libertarian view. >> i'm hardly saying valueson't matter and hardly saying companies don't have responsibilities. what i'm saying -- lou: vis-a-vis the chinese. you are going to pick a winner. you tell me who you want. >> i want the company -- lou: leave the company out of it. who do you want to be the winner between the united states and china. >> that's not even a question. the united states. lou: how are you going to assure that if you won't defend our values. >> they have include aspects of economic freedom. lou: no one has done more against regulation than donald trump. but you would oppose regulating companies that will put profit ahead of the national snint. >> no, i'm saying we have to help companies recognize profit and national interest are not contradictory. >> i would give them that much credit. and meanwhile we are going to have to wrap this up. lou: tesla unveiling its new pickup truck in california. but a test of its so-called unbreakable windows didn't go exactly as elon musk planned. here we go. >> well, maybe th

is already pretty established around the country and you have a possible libertarian candidate from your own state -- >> i was not going to bring them up but -- yeah. >> my other question is us. congressman peter king of new york recently became the 23rd republican to announce he is either retiring, resigning before running for another office. and this is unusually high at this point before an election. are you worried about other retirees popping up and including one from your home state of michigan? >> the combined average of the revolve again favor ability or the plex 14 over those 22, 23 seeds that have retired i'm not concerned about the retirement because i think will retain most of those seats and some of these others will be battlegrounds and remember we needed a smaller number to flip at the house and it's a smaller threshold than nancy pelosi in 2018 and we also had identified about 8 million distant gators who did not show up in the 2018 midterm who voted for president trump in 2016 so you look at each where the present one when he is on the ballot he will help lift those

there were republicans, democrats and even a libertarian. there were christians, jews, muslims and the project they were working on was bringing our nation symbol back to the nations capital, bald eagles who fly over this beautiful landscape day in and day out because of the work of those national service participants but i want to talk briefly can we bring this to scale and what do we learn from various channels? interestingly in 1933 franklin roosevelt told congress to do an emergency session and by summer has 250,000 young unemployed men in the woods for the conservation corps and by the end of the program, 3 million served, 3 billion trees have been planted, 84 million acres of land had been saved which is the entire acreage of our national park system today. when you talk to a spiritual experience it changed the trajectory for the rest of their lives and it was run by the u.s. army and george marshall organized the ccc camps since 1943, how we marry military, civilian and national service together is compelling. the peace corps, the tho

is already pretty established around the country and you have a possible libertarian candidate from your own state -- >> i was not going to bring them up but -- yeah. >> my other question is us. congressman peter king of new york recently became the 23rd republican to announce he is either retiring, resigning before running for another office. and this is unusually high at this point before an election. are you worried about other retirees popping up and including one from your home state of michigan? >> the combined average of the revolve again favor ability or the plex 14 over those 22, 23 seeds that have retired i'm not concerned about the retirement because i think will retain most of those seats and some of these others will be battlegrounds and remember we needed a smaller number to flip at the house and it's a smaller threshold than nancy pelosi in 2018 and we also had identified about 8 million distant gators who did not show up in the 2018 midterm who voted for president trump in 2016 so you look at each where the present one when he is on the ballot he will help lift those

party is established around the country any of the possible libertarian candidate from your own state -- >> i was not going to bring him up. >> other question is simply this, congressman of new york became the 23rd republican to announce he is either retiring or resigning before running for another office. and this is unusually high at this point before an election. are you worried about other retirees popping up in including one from your home state of michigan? >> so the combined average of the republican favorability, a plus 14 over the 23 states that have retired. i am not concerned about the retirements where they are but i think will retain most of the seats in a well heard will be battleground. please remember, we need a smaller number 2-foot back house 19, a smaller threshold the nancy pelosi had 2 in 2018, we also have identified 8 million disengage yours who did not show up in the 2018 midterm who voted for president trump in 2016, so you look at when the president one and when he's on the ballot, he will help with those candidates, i think the recruitment and the and rcc, s

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there was even a libertarian. what faiths are you? christians, jews, muslims. and the project that they were working on was actually bringing the bald eagle, our nation's symbol, back to the nation's capital. we have bald eagles who fly over this beautiful landscape day in and day out because of the work of those national service participants. but i want to talk just briefly about could we bring this idea to scale and what have we learned from various models. interestingly, in 1933, franklin roosevelt calls congress into emergency session. by summer has 250,000 young unemployed men in the woods through the civilian conservation corps. by the end of the program, 3 million had served, 3 billion trees had been planted, 84 million acres of land had been saved, which is the entire acreage of our national park system today. and when you talk to the ccc boys, it was a spiritual experience for them. it changed the trajectory of the rest of their lives. it was also run by the u.s. army. a young george c. marshall organized the ccc camps. so the thought we would have for

there is no such thing as free-floating libertarian people in the either.everyone belongs to something and everyone lives somewhere and everyone has to be governed and there has to be pulled even for the market and trade to work. >> that is an acceptable answer. >> that's a great one. >> just a neutral observer. that is a good place to end the discussion of nationalism. let's thank rich lowry for the book and for being with us. rich will be outside, to bother him with more questions and thank you for being here. [inaudible conversations] >> here's a look at some books being published this week. >> look for these titles in bookstores this coming week and watch for many of the authors in the near future on booktv on c-span2. tonight at 11:00 pm eastern on booktv, in his new book sam houston in the alamo adventures, brian kilmeade offers a history of america's war for texas. >> sam houston what to talk about courage, felt he was impervious, he should have died. when it was time to get a commission he goes to washington pretty close to hear according to the map

i lean libertarian.y a fan of more government regulation in the intervention in how the private sector works. at the same time, our government is giving special protections to internet companies, they were specifically intended to preserve free speech, that were intended to foster free discussion of all ideas. and i'm not sure we should be giving those special immunities which, you know, your show does not enjoy, for example. maria: that's right. >> and, you know, the special liability protection, i don't think we should be giving these companies special protections when they're not using them for their intended purpose. and, you know, are they a media company, are they not? it's hard to say. i'm generally a fan of private companies being able to censor whatever they want, but we shouldn't be giving them special legal protections to do so. if a company wants to censor what people are saying, if they want to say that certain ideas, certain people are not allowed, then they should have to compete with all

and in washington cross to arvind bora he is a libertarian party presidential candidate as well as author of the book pull out men modern life and mutiny all right cross talk rules in effect that means you can jump in in the time you want and i always appreciate are going to. to you 1st i love the title of your book by the way i think it's fascinating it makes me want to read it you're kind of the odd person out on this panel so i'm going to go to you 1st here and reflect upon what i said in my introduction if you could quite in a short way i asked the questions what is tearing the country apart but what's keeping it together and that's the tension here what is keeping it together and what is dividing the country go ahead in washington.