and as everyone being about libertarians and those who want to make fun of libertarians will remind us. and he got trounced mightily and he did worse than, you know, any major candidate had ever done. but, you know, ideas have gone farther, didn't end with barry goldwater, didn't end with any of these people. but a lot of victories for the movement. i think this story for people who do care about these ideas is inspirational. obviously, we do not yet live in a libertarian world. i do think we live in a world where fights on libertarian grounds are more front and center than american government, than we could have ever imagined. might get into that later. and so to me, this is a story of rank outsiders despised, abused, hated, really super isolated people who fought for ideas that were noble, that ultimately were about minimizing the use of violent force in human affairs. and that's you know, i kind of came into libertarianism through a little bit of a hippie dippy path. i was a robert anton wilson libertarian. if any of you know what that means. so freedom is great. of course, we all b

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but if you're so committed to liberty as a libertarian or freedom loving conservative that you thinkeement with his politics? where are you? we should be able to come together around that. [applause] >> stephen: the trump administration has curtailed protections on human rights, especially for the lgbtq community. he bragged about it tonight. what does that say about where our country is headed morally? where is the soul of our nation headed? >> mr. buttigieg: look, our nation has always been at its best when it widens the circle of belonging and equality to take care of more people and not last. our nation has been at its worst when we been discriminating. [applause] >> stephen: do you have any sense, do you have any fear that this supreme court would overturn over obgerfield. >> mr. buttigieg: they don't seem worried about it. how can we not be worried about it? >> stephen: how does the democratic party meet this moment? >> mr. buttigieg: one of the things about senator elissa slotkin's response was she had to-do list. don't tune out. i get the temptation but you can't do it. it do

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cannot take an opinion section based on personal liberty that is what bezos says he wanted to be libertarian not just as they left or right. god forbid. stay on the path and other people will come. the flop goes not to jeff bezos but those who are running from libertarian ideas. >> absolutely precook sickness at their own paper if they have another idea. so he would have to fail jeff bezos would have to buy it. that's what you did for us. we see back here tomorrow at 6:00 p.m. eastern front of the big we can show. remember you can always dvr if you cannot catch us live. but "life, liberty & levin" is up next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪. mark: hello america i am mark levin this is "life, liberty & levin" saturday. thank you for being here to greet guests attorney general pam bondi israel's ambassador to the united states. but, before we get to them i have a question for you. one that has ever been asked. you hear it said all of the time that under article one of the constitution congress has the power of the purse. only congress. congress lays taxes. congress determines borrowing amounts. congress determi

extent i've seen them in the macro economic stack of stats been i you know it be surprising to a libertarian but it's been heartening how not bad for the country even this sort of shock therapy approach has been and. i preface all that i may learn things about malay and i may know things that i read spanish, portuguese, all the language of that land that that i don't understand now. but like to what i know, you know, sums up the malay i guess i think that's a good upbeat note to close on. i'd like to thank you all for being here for a a what was it rollicking rollicking conversation about modern libertarianism. i encourage you to pick up the book there for sale outside. brian will probably some of them for you if you do thank you all for being here and. please join us for a reception in cato's winter garden. well, good morning, everyone and welcome to our special pacific research institute webinar. i'm tim anaya prize, vice president of marketing and communications and we're thrilled to have the opportune today to well, we're going to show off a little bit because our president ceo and thoma

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today's the boy reports from when a side is a ceiling for the nadia libertarian presidents have yet to be late or officially open the legislative assembly on saturday, surrounded by his supporters and with a message about the future of he's a stay with the chainsaw plan. i'm with the sierra, the chainsaw plan's not a government program. it's a state policy that will continue to use a one stop until it ends the road at the state in the economy outside. some people came to show their support. and what are you show? show you a couple of things. it's amazing that the super power, like the united states, is imitating us. because we're discovering expenses in the country, the only benefit the political class. it has to end. but there were other people with pots and pans protesting against the president's policies in the, in the, in the states that the situation has been a lot of them already know works as an electrician and says he's struggling to make ends meet. relay is corrupt and we've all lost of purchasing power because everything's very expensive. the lows he's passed benefit the rich

when, when, when he refers to to himself, he says he's a libertarian, an article capitalist. what does that mean? and do you think that that is something that he's implementing in argentina in full political, or even if you're using present in order to get picked up. i am the senior. this opens at the end of this year of this year. i will see 3 months in no money, i guess you can, like i say live into this a couple of people, you know, see through my case you're going to be getting more north literacy, mostly level. it was a high level complete. i'm in that, but it gives you think that a minute that you like a way and potentially say a see what is it that i want to see? what is okay. don't know if i should medically look into the say when it go, it doesn't mean that's what they'll do. think that he is so that he can, we're going to be able to see. and if he doesn't really pursue police to the total for this use study without going to quote see really you for that on the, at the media community policy and especially on the community. me when the new at if that you get it yet a

contradictions, to explore these questions when, when, when he refers to to himself, he says, he's a libertarian, an article capitalist. what does that mean? and do you think that that is something that he's implementing in argentina in full political or even if you're using present in order to get picked up by existing this will be the only this will bring some input this you out of the c a i will see through us and nobody i guess you can like i say live code because a couple of people you're throw 60 my case, seem to be getting more north photo seamlessly level. it wasn't high level, complete them in that, but gives you think that a minute that you like a waste and dozens of the 6 a see what is it that i want to see what is okay. don't especially the metacognitive, the, as i want to go, either, i mean, as a result of any issue that you can look at the case oversee. and if you have another person to please choose total for this. use that it without going to quote see really you for that on the adult media can mean neighbors. he has been, especially on the community, me when the new that if that

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we have a big tech coalition of libertarians is the orphaned reagan, constitutional conservatives.he maga party is so broad it allows for even differences of opinion on the small issues while still being united on the big issues of border security, free speech and open debate, economic growth, belief in america is sectionalism. that's not just reunited the republican party but the entire country around the ideals that the country was founded on in the first place. >> something a lot of people are excited about, he started working with elon months ago. give me your assessment because i think so many people are shocked by what they see happen by things uncovered. >> sadly i'm not surprised but what i'm pleasantly surprised by is how united people across the country are against this waste fraud and abuse at the level of our government. resident trump did an outstanding job at his address laying out artifacts where taxpayer money has gone. the first up letting some light be a disinfectant is getting bureaucracy out of the way is a requirement to revive our economy and fight national de

you are a great guard given a soul libertarian your entire life.litigator. so leo, you see what's happening again at barnard and columbia. all over these universities. what is the plan? parcels of the plan is but let me take 20 seconds to say to your viewers, before i took at this a job as senior counsel i reached out to you for advice. the only person i reached out to, you gave me great advice i owe you a tremendous amount of thanks because of your advice and leadership. mark: love you buddy. >> president trump has made a commitment to the jewish memory to all americans we are going to eliminate anti-semitism. it is rampant it is horrendous. under president trump's leadership and pam bonnie's leadership we are working on this 24/7. and i will tell you what makes it sickening, the biting garden administration did nothing. they have nothing to address anti-semitism is rampant across the country what are we doing? we are working on this the entire federal government support as a leader in the d.o.j. under pam bonnie's administration we are suing ever

the libertarian side of the spectrum but that's my personal opinion.right or wrong answer. i think it's missing the forest for the trees to focus on it too much because the real big deal is you are getting legislation coming out of both houses of government. stuart: will you be at the white house tomorrow? >> i wasn't important enough for that but they have good representation and they will get a good outcome. stuart: why weren't you invited? >> you have to have a certain scale to get invited to that meeting. i think it is the future but it is a smaller startup. hopefully in a couple years we will be invited to the next one. stuart: thanks for joining us. we will see you again the soon. >> thanks for having me. stuart: this is a very interesting story. babies born this year, this year, 2025, have a new generational name. what is the name? why is this new name considered an insult? lauren: the name is generation beta as in the greek letter that comes after alpha but it is considered an insult because alpha uses the slang word beta to describe someone, y

economist as its president, avenuier milei, a chainsaw-toting, self-proclaimed sex guru and true libertariany and slashing bureaucracy, he has met criticism for ides open sympathy for military rule, its denial of its brutality and his defunding of human rights programs. >> translator: after 40 years of democracy, we never thought we would have to fight against these denialists. but we know the truth. we lost an election. but we won't give up. we will resist. which is what we've done all our lives. >> reporter: age 94, taty almeida is the president of the mothers of the plaza de mayo. for half a century, she's been searching for her son, alejandro, who left for classes one day and never to return. >> translator: when they took the most precious thing a mother has, a child, we went out like lionesses, looking for our cubs. >> they called you the crazy ones. you didn't take that as an insult. were you crazy? >> translator: we were crazy with pain, with rage, with helplessness because we mothers know what it's like to carry a child for nine months in the womb and then have it ripped away from yo

but also includes every kind of republican, independence, libertarians, orphaned reagan democrats and other orphans democrats. anybody else who finds themselves politically homeless in the state. if you care about economic excellence in ohio and you care about educational excellence in ohio, we have a place for you in this movement and a seat at the table for you. i want every democrat in the state to hear me loud and clear when i say this tonight. we are not going to agree on everything and that's ok. it's a beautiful thing. we love our diversity of thought in ohio. but if you care about putting more money in your bank account, more money in your kids investment account, if you care about giving your kids the same shot at the american dream that this state and this country gave to me, we are actually on the same team. i invite you to join us in helping take our state to the next level. to work together to actually get it done. i'm grateful for the wave of statewide endorsements and national endorsements with already received. rick scott, likely, marsha blackburn, others across the na

look, i'm not a fundamentalist libertarian.k there should be no role for government but we are doing two things at the same time. on the one hand we are running an agenda. although it's not getting enough attention. when it comes to the space economy, when it comes to permitting, we are deregulating ways that is going to unleash the private sector to build. at the same time we have other mandates that are public safety mandates, national security mandates and in my view the obligations that are more regulatory and we are going to be running both of these things at the same time but to say that you're a republican so you can only deregulate is not the way that approach it. >> just genuinely and seen very much as deregulatory and kind of reflects it? >> i've seen these stories before that say, well, he used to be very libertarian and now he's not but i'm not really sure what sort of the -- >> you don't feel -- >> everybody evolves but, look, i've been a commissioner for six years, you know, i always look at two things, concentrat

and he said, you know, behind every libertarian there's a big fat government contract. and this definitely applies to silicon valley, right? elon musk right. who is, you know, has his hands all over every of these federal agencies. space x, i think has $18 billion in federal contracts. i mean, these guys are making money hand over fist. peter tails, palantir which is a data surveillance firm that does lot of shady stuff. it began an investment from in-q-tel which is kind of like the cia's like investment arm. this is not like some conspiracy or some hidden thing like that. that's what it is. that's what they do. they seed into these tech companies in order to. basically, they're just trying to find things that work that they can use within the defense industry, in the national security industry, until i think 27. and this palantir thing was found in like 2003, four, four, four or five years. it didn't have any private contracts. it was all public contracts. it was making money from the federal government. so deals. deals. well, peter thiel is is an arch wing and we can

i'm chair of the libertarian party of san francisco and here on behalf of our over 3000 registered libertarians in san francisco to support keeping max carter over stone on the police commission. libertarians strongly believe in not only fiscal responsibility and limited but limited across the board civil liberties vitally important. i've been moved by many of the comments here today and it does just back my mind again and again how just five years ago in the wake of george floyd's murder by police, people are falling over themselves to talk about police accountability and the need to defund the police and some people even talking about the need to abolish the police which are not part of america's original heritage. there were no police back in the days of the founders and we don't need an armed standing army that they were concerned about trying to control every aspect of our lives. and each one of you when you pass laws you have to realize what the law is. it's basically an authorization for those uniformed individuals carrying guns to use as much force as necessary to get people to comply w

it pits those in favor of less regulation at any cost against libertarians, who see this as potentiale markets. against the bitcoin maximalists, who see other coins as diluting bitcoin's narrative. now these tensions, they were on public display over the weekend. the administration's crypto star david sacks, facing off against joe lonsdale, an influential ally. lonsdale critiqued the use of taxpayer taxpayer money for a us crypto reserve that puts sacks on the defense. and then you had brian armstrong, ceo of coinbase, indirectly questioning the rationale behind diversifying the reserves, suggesting that a bitcoin only option would be the best option. you also had one of the winklevoss twins as well coming out against it. it has also led to accusations of self-dealing among vcs that have gained influence in the white house. while sacks says that he has sold his crypto positions, he is stilln early investor in bitwise, a crypto asset management firm whose top five holdings. you're looking at it right now and its big fund are the exact cryptos the president announced for inclusion in th

. >> and, you know, this, the trumpian movement is not your old libertarian, anti-government republican movement. there are things that they want government to do that are going to be harder to do. for example, you're dismissing people who are in charge of implementing export controls on china. that's not something that is really in keeping with the trump republican agenda or any sensible agenda. >> yeah. my mother used to say to me, i love you. i just hate the things you do. it's the opposite here. they hate government, but they kind of like some of the things that government does. and and it won't do it as well if you follow through on some of the things that are going on right now. >> and i should note, though, hours after this happened, we, you know, were talking and getting reporting at the white house on what this meeting looked like. who was there? we saw doge employees coming in that same door that you saw the cabinet officials going inside earlier. i mean, they very much still have this role and this presence. and yes, the president is offering this clarification, but but there

libertarianism."ly pipes, author of "the world's medicine chest" talks about the rise of the american pharmaceutical industry, warns against enacting european-style prescription drug controls. then, journalist omar el akkad questions if the u.s. is forsaking its core values after 20 years of covering war around the globe. he's interviewed by eugene rogan. watch book tv every weekend and find a full schedule on your program guide or watch online anytime. washington journal continues. host: welcome back. we are going to be discussing the trump administration policies on trade and tariffs and for that, we are joined by joshua meltzer of the brookings institution, where he is a global economy at development program senior fellow. good morning. and we also have here in studio tj antonio, a research fellow and public finance economist at the heritage foundation. there have been so many movements in the timeline of what has been happening with trade and tariff policy. abc news has an article sort of breaking

in his book "modern libertarianism." research institute ceo sally pipes talks about the rise of the american pharmaceutical industry and warns against enacting drug controls. then at 10:00 p.m. eastern on afterwards, journalist omar of cod questions if the u.s. is forsaking its core values after 20 years of covering wars around the globe. in his book "one day, eryone will have always been against this." watch book tv every sunday on c-span2 and find a full schedule on your program guide or wah online anytime at booktv.org. >> "washington journal" continues. host: joining us this morning from tallahassee, florida is jack brewer, the former nfl player and founder and chair of the jack brewer foundation. sir, let's begin with your group. what is its mission? guest: our mission is to go into communities, people that are the most underserved and voiceless, and uplift them. that includes jails and prisons across the united states and the world. we also do a lot of relief, global relief efforts. anytime there is a natural disas

by anchors like barry goldwater in his book "modern libertarianism.":00 eastern, sally pipes, the author of the world's medicine chest, talks about the rise of the american pharmaceutical industry and warns against enacting european-style prescription drug controls. at 10:00 p.m. eastern on afterwards, a journalist questions if the u.s. is forsaking its core values after 20 years of covering wars around the world and social unrest in his book, one day, everyone wil have always been against this. a university of oxford history professor does the interview. find a full schedule on your program guide or watch online anytime at book tv.org. >> washington journal continues. host: join us to discuss the trump administration's enforcement efforts at the southern border is antigen gary kelly -- is anna giaritelli. thank you for being with us this morning. guest: good morning. host: we will start with a tweet that homeland security secretary kristi noem put out last month. says february was the lowest month in recorded history for encounters at our border. the

by anchors like barry goldwater in his book "modern libertarianism.":00 eastern, sally pipes, the author of the world's medicine chest, talks about the rise of the american pharmaceutical industry and warns against enacting european-style prescription drug controls. at 10:00 p.m. eastern on afterwards, a journalist questions if the u.s. is forsaking its core values after 20 years of covering wars around the world and social unrest in hi book, one day, everyone will have always been against this. a university of oxford history professor does the interview. find a full schedule on yo program guide or watch online anytime at book tv.org. >> washington journal continues. host: join us to discuss the trump administration's enforcement efforts at the southern border is antigen gary kelly -- is anna giaritelli. thank you for being with us this morning. guest: good morning. host: we will start with a tweet that homeland security secretary kristi noem put out last month. says february was the lowest month in recorded history for encounters at our border. the wo

libertarianism."ly pipes, author of "the world's medicine chest" talks about the rise of the american pharmaceutical industry, warns against enacting european-style prescription drug controls. then, journalist omar el akkad questions if the u.s. is forsaking its core values after 20 years of covering war around the globe. he's interviewed by eugene rogan. watch book tv every weekend and find a full schedule on your program guide or watch online anytime. washington journal continues. host: welcome back. we are going to be discussing the trump administration policies on trade and tariffs and for that, we are joined by joshua meltzer of the brookings institution, where he is a global economy at development program senior fellow. good morning. and we also have here in studio tj antonio, a research fellow and public finance economist at the heritage foundation. there have been so many movements in the timeline of what has been happening with trade and tariff policy. abc news has an article sort of breaking

these were much more democratic, pluralist, religious and libertarian than those of the mother country. a strange moment ensued, and then armed conflict. it is often said that the principal causes of the war of independence were economic and philosophy, philosophical. but there is another view of the matter set forth by levi preston, a 24 year old militia man at the battles of lexington and concord. in 1775. in 1843, when captain preston was one of the last surviving veterans, he was interviewed about what had incited the revolution. his interviewer, a young dartmouth historian, had his own ideas and attempted to read the witness. were you impressed by the stamp act? i never saw any stamps and i always understood that none were ever sold. well, what about the tax? tea tax? i never drank a drop of a drop of the stuff. the boys threw it all overboard. but i suppose you had been reading harrington, sydney and locke about the eternal principle of liberty. i never heard of those men. the only books we had were the bible, the catechism watch, psalms and hymns and the almanacs. well, then, wh

one of the great libertarians of the modern era said you can either have open borders or a welfare stateut you have to choose. what do you choose? >> milton friedman said he wanted to allow illegal immigration to continue. i disagree with the position on that. we should have legal immigration to build a wall around the welfare state, not around the country. that is in the best interest of taxpayers. >> i would argue under the current system where you have sanctuary cities popping up it is not possible to build that wall. >> absolutely, you can. >> you are done. choosing between securing our nation are protecting the taxpayer. i yield back. >> the chair recognizes mr. bell from missouri. >> thank you, mr. chair. in the 80s, there was the war on drugs that did not go so well we essentially created classes of criminals for people, citizens, who just needed help. i will not recount that entire history, but i do not think we realize the error of our ways until it impacted more affluent communities particularly with the opioid epidemic. so, now, republicans have began a new campaign, war on im

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be would ask my colleagues in senator mccormick as well, i think back to the prices and i y most libertariant the government touching anything until the stuff at the family so we need the federal government to step in and bail us out. if we are going to touch our federal market for going to do stable coin completely divorced from the rest of the financial system, may be a light, light touch or work of freund ultimately intertwined this with the why w think companies of wht your commute to be connected to overall financial system. we do know to stifle innovation by nudging our entities a little further along the line. that is the risk imbalance i am trying to get too. and i think there's a spot here. i will support you and the ranking member and auteur woman who's worked so hard and so long onch this. i think regional people can get there we can get there on a way that maintains the integrity of our financial system make us far and away the most attractive place for legitimate entities. find a way to keep the bad guys out as much as possible and still peru'ss innovation. that may not be light