thank you. >> next speaker. >>> hi, i'm auberry friedman from the libertarian party in san francisco. and we fully support david chiu's resolution against the detention provisions of the ndaa. under the guise of the war on terror, the detention provisions were slipped into the ndaa giving the president unlimited power to detain and hold in military prison indefinitely, without being charged, any person who provides substantial support to terrorism or commits belligerent acts against the united states. what exactly do substantial support or belligerent acts mean? that wording is so vague that almost anyone who exercising their first amendment rights can be interpreted as being belligerent and end up in a military prison without even being charged. this resolution is an excellent first step in ensuring that our basic civil liberties are preserved. we intend to push for full state nullification of the detention provisions in the ndaa. thank you, david chiu, for introducing this resolution. >> thank you. >>> thank you. >> next speaker. >>> my name is philip byrd, i was three times a liber

to our mind as chairman of the libertarian party in the netherlands thank you very much indeed for joining us live here on r.t. you're welcome but we are closely following the tensions in cyprus on our web site at r.t. dot com that's where we're asking you what you think will come out of the controversial deposit levy and so far here's how it you'll vote come in the majority believes that forcing savers to pay for their banks mistakes will only cause social unrest thirty six percent expect a chain reaction of bank runs leading to the collapse of the e.u. less of the blame for or less if you actually blame the floor during his own system saying the cash will only offer a short term solution. and this hour only a minority has faith in the debated tax to bring stability to the island state party dot com is where you can tell us what you think you'll be good to hear from you. or despite mounting media coverage and legal appeals the u.s. military continues to deny a mass hunger strike is underway at guantanamo bay lawyers for more than one hundred detainees say they've been starving themselves

so let's say there are people going from a constitution party meeting to a libertarian party meeting. both these groups don't like big government. they hate big government. they are opposed to government. they are nonviolent as far as i know but they were on the fusion list for potential terrorists. are we going to kill people in a caravan going from one meeting to the next? are we going to have to name the person we kill in the united states? you say that's absurd. we would never do that. what about whose phone we tapped. do we have to name that person? used to be the requirement. it's gotten less so over time. we have gotten to the point where the fourth amendment protections to name the person, place and what you want to look at have become looser over time. so i think it's a legitimate question. if you're going to target americans on american soil, are you going to name them first? are you going to tell us who is on the list? the list overseas is secret, so the question is is the list going to be secret in the united states? how do you get your due process if you don't know you're

stephen meissner from germany's libertarian oriented party says the government's behavior is a betrayal and a crime against voters all that money had to be taken from somebody that's. you know it had to be taxed from a from an individual through as their their doctrines of their pay and they could have used that money if they had more pay to enjoy a better car or better vacation or or invest themselves in the house or invest in a business germany has remained relatively unharmed by the crisis and the expression god's may do would castlemaine not could apply to europe's largest economy but it's an economy that's contracted by point six percent for the fourth quarter of last year which might once have been a case of innocent squandering by the continent's powerhouse could actually now be one of the injuries neglect. germany now there is a dramatic development in the story of a kidnapped ukrainian journalist in crab boil on a hard caution bar has escaped from her a month long capture by rebel groups in a war torn syria we are across the details at r.t. dot com. plus killed for spreading th

. >> let me ask you this though, what do you think about the debate going on in the party between the libertarianing of the party and the conservatives? can't they find ways to speak with a unified voice? >> yeah, they should, and i must say, i mean, i'm more libertarian than most people call themselves libertarians. richard epstein, the great university of chicago law professor. there's a real libertarian. and these college libertarian are of a slightly different breed. it's more wanting a sense of belonging and they have an awful lot of liberal habits and accepting or one issue, but in terms of actual libertarian ideas, that's the republican party and frankly, we could use a little help. there's an awful light that could be privatized. the lesson of history is, everything run by the government over time becomes more expensive and worse. everything that is injected through competition on the private market becomes cheaper and better. look the at cell phones, flat screen tv's versus oh, the subway system, air traffic-- or tsa agents, the public school system. so we want to privatize as much as we

the libertarian tea party wing. appeals to the tea party, too, but today he came off as an establishment republican. talked about school choice, free trade. but rand paul gave a rousing libertarian kind of take-no-prisoners speech. legalize some drugs. break up the big banks. don't bail them out. put in a flat tax. he as one of the people crowded to him when he said i have a message for the president. the guy said, "don't drone me, bro." it's the drone thing. also his appeal to young people, which i think he has pushed even farther than his father did. his father brought in young people to the party but rand paul has bigger appeal. >> bret: rand paul is using the filibuster as a -- >> that was a huge thing for him. huge yes. >> bret: came bearing all the stacks of books and said i only had ten minutes but just in case i get 13 hours, i have these. charles? >> rubio will always refer to water. rand paul will always refer to the filibuster. that was his moment. that was a theatrical coo. he got lucky. on a snow day th

so going to the straight tea party libertarian and risking this tremendous work, we haven't seen the neoconservative, the revenge of the neoconservative empire yet. >> i think they're going to come back and reclaim the party as the hawk party. let me ask you about this choice now. do they say more romney with a different face, rubio, or say, wait a minute, that me, too, thing isn't working? >> i'm a believer in inertia. i think they stick with the sta same basic ideas. >> pretending to be right wingers but not willing to believe it themselves. >> not willing to go all the way. >> let's talk about something you've written about, we had the great thing we taped last night about the iraq war and in your book, "hubris." look at this clip. show them how things have changed. look at this clip from the presidential debate back in 2008 where ron paul, that's the father, long a lone voice of opposing intervention in iraq, tangles with presidential candidate rudy giuliani and basically shouts him out of the room. let's watch how things have changed here. >> there's a strong tradition of being a

there, so we showed that indeed the party is revolving around these new leaders in the conservative movement. we also have a couple of different tents. we've got libertarianstivist, establishment conservatives so the whole idea of the cpac is to bring the whole tent together. >> although, senator paul might object to the, close to isolationist which has never been among the three things that reagan conservatives have stood for, what do you think it says, if anything? is this just a party in search of itself? >> well, as someone who was part of the democratic leadership council in the early '90s on staff. >> moderate, trying to moderate the democratic party? >> a group of democrats who were trying to lead the party out of the widerness at the time and successfully did so, what you see out of cpac as an outside observer it's a chance for people to introduce themselves. i'm not sure that anybody, any american walked away with an understanding this weekend that the republican party has made a decision about where it's going to go. i think that's still a really big question. i think what you saw were as al said some leaders come in and introduce themselves. it'

party. i think they're realizing that those libertarians have the capacity to whenever independent voters. he center. people who don't want to be affiliated with the party better drawn to issues of freedom and libey. lou: the republican party has got to town to terms -- come to terms with these archaic ideas. they can stitch together religious conservatives, social conservatives, and the peace through strength which means bom, bom, bom. there has got to be some judgment. we have a military command as we just demonstrated, that is absolutely, i mean, they are exhausted, working for 20 years in circumstances. we have got to get a republican party that shuts up and starts thinking. >> he did think. we want guest worker programs. we want to up not deport people who live here, but at the same time their is a rule of law and we cannot have an automatic. >> we cannot. >> thread the needle. >> it's undeniable that the republican party is starting to wake up andealize that they lost this last election because the hispanics who are in increasingly large number of the voting population doubt that they

libertarian views. is mr. paul the future of the republican party? karl rove will weigh in. >> the guy had a knife in his back for three years. he must have worked at nbc, too. >> we begin this half hour on a more serious note. >> bill: also, two big stars on nbc under intense fire. jay leno may be fired and matt lauer is getting hammered all over the place. bernie goldberg will have analysis. caution, you are about to enter the no spin zone. the factor begins right now. >> bill: hi, i'm bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight happy passover to jewish viewers around the country and the world. i'm sorry about the frog in my throat this evening. it happens every year around this time. spring allergies or maybe, maybe, it's just god wanting me to be quieter. political corruption on college campuses. that is the subject of this evening's talking points memo. one of the reasons america is moving to the left and becoming a more secular society is that college and university system is overwhelmingly, overwhelmingly teaching liberal tenets. last novemb

the tea party favorite with a deep libertarian streak has been saying for a couple of months he is seriouslyand it's in his blood. his father, ron paul, ran for president twice as a republican and once as a libertarian. the senator filibuster about the president's drone policy captured the attention of civil libertarians in both parties looking for candidate in three years. >> we can't wait until 2016 to begin to change the direction of the country. it has to start now. >> reporter: paul partially eclipseed former florida governor jeb bush 2016 coming out party this week, including a glitzy reagan library speech pushing his book on immigration reform in california. son of one president an brother of another he denied any interest in the white house for years and then shift dramatically this week acknowledging this time is different. his new book on immigration reform advocates a path of legalization for illegal aliens. if a path to citizenship does not encourage more illegal entries he would support it too. >> the hair tage created dinenism and invo nation than any other country on earth. >>

party. with paul, a libertarian streak, tea party supported. rubi rubio, a little more mainstream and demographically trying to speak to more latinos in the party. they both had messages about they were different about what the party immediate to do. i think how you define what it means to be a conservative in the republican party is very much the middle of the debate that they're going to be trying to sort out here over the next couple of years. >> one that has many of us talking to in terms of what will define the republican party. david gregory, thanks. look at a preview of meet the press coming up a little later. >> thanks. >> now let's get a check of the rest of the morning's top stories from jenna wolf. good morning. >> good morning, everyone. hi. terrible accident in northern california race track has left two people dead. it happened during a warm-up lap at the raceway park. police say a car lost control and went off the track into the pit area. a 68-year-old man and 14-year-old boy who were part of the pit crew were both killed. the 17

we will have the usual green party and libertarian party's in 2016. there are some make it billionaires that are considering running a third party. the get enormous press and polls and they are in play. mayor bloomberg it almost did it in 2012. probable because there are some many mega billionaires now. they'll say, we are going to go four-party- or race. checkd it $500 million and not have to be held in tends to be attracted to a lot voters. out and cameopped back in and got 19 million votes. people are ready. you have to convince them that the candidate has a chance to win. michigan -- tim. caller: good morning. you mentioned ross perot. of whatfor ross because he stood for. he was talking about nafta and gas. a big giant sucking sound across the border and across the ocean. i believe the nafta it gas treaty drove a lot of businesses out of this country. ross perot was right. guest: you are right. we lost millions of jobs to china, mexico and other wagesies that hold worker down and make it difficult to allowedlution and this people's right to sue. d

built in were biases which help wealthy candidates and frankly hurt tea party candidates and libertarians and that's billed throughout the effort. i do think it was a good effort. i think it's just a start. >> i think you've been very -- you're a politician and political consultant and you've got to say it the way you just said it. let's get back to reality. we go to joan on this. i know you're on the other side of this, but you're probably enjoying it. i am, too, to a large extent. if you join the republican party since the last 50 years a lot of people who join the republican party didn't get rich and become republican, they were already evangelical, already culturally conservative. they went over and joined the republican party because the republican party is willing to say we'll bring religion -- organized prayer back to public school. we'll outlaw abortion. we won't go along with this new trend towards gay rights. we're with you in the church. how do you tell those people the reason you joined the republican party they don't want to push too hard anymore, in fact, they want to sort o

the republican party is embracing a philosophy of libertarianism with rand paul. i like what rand paul has to say. i think he's a nice guy and a good senator. it is concerning that we are becoming like libertarian groups, very antiwar, militant peacenik types. i don't feel like the conservative movement should be going in that direction. i certainly feel a little bit more negative about that, but overall, i think it is important that we had energy and enthusiasm despite a terrible year last time. more positives than negatives. democrats line, kyle in phoenix, arizona. caller: it was amazing to me. it's so clear to me that the republican party hasn't learned anything from the last election, and they are just the whole narrative further to the right. we're going to push away moderates. it's not a winning strategy for them. it's amazing that they keep getting lunatics up there like whatever her name was emma the was,y inflammatory one -- the really inflammatory one, and coulter. -- anne coulter. host: what did you think about the straw poll? it was obvious that was m

there's a lot of excitement among the libertarian part of this party.a family that always had a lot of success on the internet. where some republicans have struggled to organize. >> critics have described his filibuster as kind of ridiculous and paranoid. it did set the agenda in terms of what we're talking about. we're talking about journalists now. we're talking about the issue. did he accomplish anything with that filibuster? >> i think he absolutely accomplished two things. one, he drew a policy response from the attorney general that others had not drawn on this important question about the limits on this power to deal with potential government killings. senator ron wyden, a democrat and others, had sent letters to the administration and not received the same kind of substantive response. number two, yes, he drove the press, those of us who cover these issues, to take a deeper look at this drone question, which regardless of your politics, is obviously one of the most important powers the government wields. >> all right. ari melber, thanks so much.

. >> at this point, there are so many versions of the republican party, libertarian, government get off my lawn and things like that. there's the evangelical wing, tea party wing. that's why you see -- i think that's the case with marco rubio. sometimes he sounds like a moderate republican, sometimes like a tea party republican. this is a fight we're going to see politicians have with themselves and also with the larger party. >> goes back to your rebranding issue which is that you want to come off as a sensitive, compassionate politician, while at the same time sticking to core principles that aren't exactly popular or necessarily compassionate. it is difficult to have it both ways. >> nia, where do you think we are in this re-branding story? is this the beginning of a six month period of confusion? is this going to be so confusing? >> only six months? >> or could it be just so confusing that republicans can't take it any more by the end of the week and say stop it, we're going back to everything we said last year. >> if you listen to rush limbaugh, he is singing a different tune, if y

that we need them in our party because libertarian candidates on their own don't win coming in sir fourth. gerri: thank you for your time. have a great weekend. hear this story. he may not be on american idol but steven tyler has legislation for him. dubbed a the steven tyler at making its way through hawaii state legislature to not take unwanted pictures of celebrities. is it legal? lease wheel, is it? >> not all. there are already laws on the books about invasion of privacy, and using an image for profit and the first amendment. if i am in the public only celebrities get their own law? what about the rest of us? >> what does god have to say? is this just ridiculous and not go into effect? >> from the city of brotherly love with love the statute. we should go down to hawaii and name it restorer insanity act why shouldn't celebrities enjoy the same privileges? >> they are celebrities. >> not open places like a park where before oscars but why can't he opened up presents on christmas morning? >> here are the unintended consequences. what is a celebrity? i can e it now. m i a celebrity or n

. >> there is also the libertarian strain with the party. fresh off the nearly 13 hour filibuster last week. the new gop will need to embrace liberty in both the economic and personal speer. >> reminder that despite the ongoing partisan budget talks on capitol hill. the president spoke to his outside political action group ofa in part to lay the groundwork for next year's mid certain election. this year's c papac event is notable for absences. chris christie was not invited. there are a number of conservatives about the way he keeps praise on the president for his responses to super storm sandy just before the november election. >> doug luzader, thank you. the first day of the cpac convention leading off with a bunch of fresh faces of the republican party. rand paul and marco rubio among the speakers kicking off the event. in case you missed it here are some of the highlights. >> people who disagree on all sorts of things in the real world work together all of the time on things they do agree on. there has to be a movement in america for peo

i think is a legitimately held libertarian view. >> is this where the republican party is headed, a libertarian cam. and a traditional camp? i mean, the hypocrisy of, you know, a couple of these senators getting up, standing with rand paul on this. probably just to keep the filibuster going. but it just seems that they have really identified to the american people they've got an identity crisis, they don't even know where they stand on the use of military action if they've got the wrong president in there. >> look, certainly you have the libertarian camp and the national security camp for lack of a better word. rand paul versus mccain you're talking about. but look at now the immigration thing. some of them are coming out saying we need to change that. a lot of them are saying no, under no conditions can you do that. now you have some republicans after the election saying maybe we should consider being for gay marriage. most of them are saying there's no way you can be for that. there's a lot of emerging strains of just coming together because this is a party and it's a movement that's under co

so going to the straight tea party libertarian and risking this tremendous work, we haven't seen the servative, the revenge of the neoconservative empire yet. >> i think they're going to come back and reclaim the party as the hawk party. let me ask you about this choice now. do they say more romney with a different face, raubio, or say, wait a minute, that me, too, thing isn't working? >> i'm a believer in inertia. i think they believe in the same basic ideas. >> pretending to be right wingers but not willing to believe it themselves. >> not willing to go all the way. >> let's talk about something you've written about, we had the great thing we taped last night about the iraq war and in your book "huberis." look at this clip. show them how things have changed. look at this clip from the presidential debate back in 2008 where ron paul, that's the father, long a lone voice of opposing intervention in iraq, tangles with presidential candidate rudy giuliani and basically shouts him out of the room. let's watch how things have changed here. >> there's a strong tradition of being anti-war i

party. tied in with national review. and he wrote a memoir in the early '90s called coming out conservative. saying he was gay. one reason he been attracted to that earlier libertarianservatism, goldwater's conservatism was because it seemed less conformist than the democratic party what happened to him? good-bye, marvin, we don't love you any more. it started a long time ago. >> let's throw in one more name, andrew sullivan. who although he has not supported candidate for president since bush the first time, is a conservative voice for those certain kind of conservatism. and was almost alone in advocacy of gay marriage at the beginning. and look at what has happened. it's absolutely extraordinary. >> and chad, i want to bring you back in here. we're going to be looking ahead to d.o.m.a. and prop 8 and the supreme court is going to be hearing arguments on those cases. some people have said the best thing for the republican party would be four the court to strike down both of those provisions so they don't exactly have to litigate or plant a flag on their opinion regarding gay marriage any more. it's settled law of the land and everybody can forget about this being a

their principles on this issue just because a democrat is in the white house today the tea party and libertarians stole this issue today the tea party is the party that is best protecting our constitutional rights to due process and that's a direct failure of a direct result of a complete failure on the part of democrats to end this silly war on terror and protect our civil liberties at home these actions on the floor of the senate should be a wake up call to all americans about just how wide the separation is between our nation today and our founding principles as laid out the constitution and it should be a wake up call to those of us on the left that we can't be silent on this issue anymore. we'll revisit this issue again in tonight's deleted. in economic news the stock market is getting better but it's not helping us get out of the recession the dow jones industrial average end of the day yesterday with a whopping fourteen thousand to thirty seven the seven seven on tuesday yes today it closed even higher not only are these the highest closing numbers since two thousand and seven right before

we've got many more of these kind of tea parties libertarian type republicans who are very much abouttate's rights and so you know, i think even if we see doma get struck down we may see some republicans say, you know what, i agree with this decision because this is a state's issue. this is not something that federal government should be doing. >> and -- excuse me, keith, to that point, nbc's frank forte, says in financing a lawsuit, making sure the proper forum is used. not that is t is wrong or that doma should be struck down, but that it needs to be before the proper court. >> the obama administration is enforcing a law, they are just not defending it. that's the situation. it is very odd that justice scalia and others in the supreme court today were critical of. but the forum is the choice of the obama administration as well. they are the ones who chose to appeal the case even though they won in the second circuit. they appeal because they wanted the supreme court to make a decision about this. and provide some finality to what is going on with marriage equality. you don't want to

the tea party republicans, the libertarian republican, and that is why there was so much energy and excitementls like marco rubio and rand paul and it would be interesting to see how much the republican party, the establishment republican party that is very wary of the libertarian philosophy, especially when it comes to same-sex marriage, especially when it comes to international policy, and the establishment party that is wary of the tea party in many ways because of the difficulty they've had controlling their unruly tea party republican base in the house of representatives. how much they embrace these groups, that is where we'll really see how much the republican party is willing to change. >> in just about 20 minutes, they will be at the press club in washington, d.c. announcing the results of this study, so i'm sure it will be on your show, the lead with jake tapper 4:00 this afternoon. thank, jake, appreciate it. >>> lots of stories to cover as well this morning. wildfires erupting across the country. john has that and lots of other stories, too. >>> happening right it now, devastating w

party who also for one. thing i think ted cruz not quite in his camp as much is as much as a libertarian i don't know whether this is the other way. this is very you know i felt like at the end of it at the end of the day being consistent on these issues is what's going to strengthen our you party and strengthen our gerri marc. but there are all it already is not consistent on these issues no i would definitely grow with that and frankly neither is the democratic party oh yeah absolutely the richard you and i have to you know this is a conversation everybody both parties desperately need to be having because people get hurt like this right and if if there had not been privacy third not been a right to privacy people had not been able to be anonymous boston tea party their way through that we would never nation so i think that there's a you know there's some real serious thought that needs to go go into any any kind of violation absolutely more of tonight's politics. technology innovation all the developments around russia. the future covered. more news today violence is once again flared up. these are the im

run on a third party ticket they always lose and they rarely even advance their own interests because they split the votes from the side that they're on charles koch ran as a libertarian ross perot invented the reform party to run ralph nader put up with the green it's not a member got anywhere that's because the united states we use what's called first past the post winner take all election systems. but that wouldn't have been the case if we had instant runoff voting also known as ira v or proportional representation in ited states is one of only a handful of developed countries in the world that doesn't have proportional representation and if those few nations that don't have proportional representation two of them australia and new zealand have instituted instant runoff voting. we don't have it because we're one of the world's oldest democracies and our constitution was written back in seventeen eighty seven james madison seven hundred eighty eight when he was trying to sell it had this horrible realisation madison realized that we were the first real democracy of major significance since rome and that our democracy was in reality an experiment you also realize tha

and the way the party has treated this wing, if you will, of libertarianism, which is the traditional in the last election cycle, particularly at the national convention, that was insulting to a lot of those folks who now are finding their voice and are reemerging. the democrats also recognize this, which is why the president felt a little bit pricked on this issue on the drones because it did cross over. it appealed to code pink as much as it appealed to libertarians and tea partiers. so i think rand paul is finding sort of a wedge here. what he does with it will be interesting going forward. >> steve, since the kids are in charge today, we're making the show all about social media, facebook, twitter. i want to read you a tweet. rick wilson, republican strategi strategist, i finally just saw the mccain and graham clips. just wow. twilight of the old order much? so obviously there's a lot going on here in terms of policy. but in terms of senator mccain and senator graham, do you think they are clinging to some old conception of politics in terms of denouncing young people and their su

party now? who won the c-pac straw poll, rand paul not an establishment republican, a person from the libertarian wing of the party. they are not together on some of the mechanical things. the report recommends going to primaries as opposed to caucuses and conventions because that's a broader electorate. well, caucuses and conventions are the way somebody like a rand paul or even a rick santorum is going to be able to be a real competitor for the nomination. >> ifill: it talks about cutting in half the number of primary debates. a little bit of the early season cannibalization doesn't occur. >> we see this after party loses a presidential race or two. >> whatever they did last time. they try to do something else. but i think the problem for the r.n.c. is this. our politics and our lives, our world, has changed. we're no longer... politics is no longer dominated by the hierarchical national parties that 40, 50 years ago could dictate who can run for office and when to have conventions and raise the money. you have all these other sources of power and influence, whether it's talk radio or tea party

putting that aside his division between the republican party and the tea party libertarian wing and theolks like senator mccain and others, that tension is going to continue. it's going to fester and it's going to grow and i don't think that's necessarily good for the party because then it makes it difficult for them to rally around one candidate when i think you're going to probably see more of that happen on the democratic side. so you have a weakness going into the 16th race right from the nomination's start. >> another familiar name jumped to the front beige thpage this b bush is jumping out, and it is what he had to say about chuck todd. >> you've been much more open about considering national office than i've heard you before. what's different this time? >> i'm not saying yes. i'm not saying no. >> i've accomplished things in my life that allow me to have that kind of discretion that allow me to think about it. >> what kind of impact can jeb bush have on a 2016 race? >> significant. significant. he's a serious player. he's somebody who had a great record as a governor. the two-ter