john: i'm a libertarian, a libertarian show. a debate about the president's plan from the liberal and conservative wings. of classic liberalism. ♪ ♪ ♪ john: republicans and democrats will squabble on other channels. what i care about is a pretty. and the dignity of the individuals. libertarians obsess about that thaddeus russell is the author of renegade history in the united states. legally murdoch leans more to the right. you both listen to the president's speech and you have differences about what he said regarding and you ha differences about what he said regarding immigration and the nsa and obamacare. >> we have no disagreements, i hope, on that. it's a lot written by corporations. people on the left don't like corporations. libertarians don't like government telling us what to do. so it seems like a win-win. so there is no question that it should be opposed by people on the lft. it forces individuals to buy corporate products and they should be absolutely opposed to it if they are elected. john: you say that medicaid is g

i don't know why you people became libertarians.dn't all start businesses, but people say, i had no idea this is what business people have to go through. >> interestingly, that's one of the things that make me most optimistic about the future is that people havea -- a pretty warm feeling about entrepreneurs in general, and more and more people feel they can be entrepreneurs. there's an increasingly free agent culture, and there's something wondful that happens when more people have to make payroll, and when more people find themselves dealing wth government bureaucracy in the most ordinary and regular ways, whether it's running your payroll and having to deal with the various tax agencs you have to get records and numbers fr, and it's doing everything exactly the same way for a number ofyears, and then finding out something was wrong, and having someone come into your office to screw roundwith you for the sace of to and a half months. it's wasting 33% of your time in a fairly small cmpany with ten employees to comply wth various bur

ayers , where do libertarians have it right, and mr. d'souza, where do libertarians have a wrong?- have it wrong. >> libertarians cover a multitude of sins. there are anarchists and libertarians who have come together. i will tell your where i think they have it right -- a deep skepticism of government, of the imposition of the state into our lives. i think where they have it right is full support for sexual freedom. you can do your thing. anarchists and libertarians would say full gay rights. i was having a discussion with a libertarian outside one of my talks and i said, i think we could agree on full rights including the right to marry. he said, no. the state should not be involved with marriage. if you want to get married with your cold, you can do that. i said, that seems right to me. we can agree on that. i think the other place you get it right is to close the pentagon, stop the trillion dollar drain on our allies. -- on our lives. i think libertarians believe that. i think they should. that is where they get it right. you only say where they get it wrong? >> libertarians a

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what is the future of libertarianism in the republican party? it is not just small government. >> i think of it as a bright future. some of it is an old-fashioned idea and some new. the old-fashioned ideas federalism. federalism is a devolved power. ours not all in washington. not all in washington. the other thing is you can agree to disagree. for example, the concept what the government should be involved with, particularly on social issues, is different in alabama than san francisco. every buddy agree? -everybody agree? say in washington you want to enforce a real conservative doctrine on social issues, then you are going to have to tell can't but -- tell symphysis go to cannot have their roles -- san francisco you cannot have their rules. is going ton dictate to alabama, i do not think it makes for good relations. part of it is agreeing to disagree. if you live in alabama and you have one conception of some of the social issues in san francisco and you have a different, the best way we can get along is to agree to disagree. we have some laws

we go is she you're making the reverse libertarian are no i'm saying the government should not be in the interest of creating a situation whereby there are classes of citizens that can't go to certain areas. ok. i still you've got going to go out of people to scream to discriminate ok. that will wrap it up to morrow night michael thank you for that is coming up unions an environmentalist are the bedrock of the progressive movement so why really body and heads in kentucky. join me. in that impartial and financial reporting commentary contribute and much much. only on the bus and only on. the police it was a. very hard take i. want to get along here. have you ever had sex with that earthquake there knowing. that. it was. one of the people. please. please. please. crosstalk rules in effect that you can jump in anytime you want. but i suspect. they would like to do is show that you know the price is the only industry specifically mention in the constitution. that's because a free and open press is critical to our democracy which. go on. to make no i'm sorry and on this show we reveal the

julie has a youtube channel called token libertarian girl.te. which is a cool title. [laughter] kathy, you say to open other people's minds, libertarians should check their privilege. what does that mean? >> unfortunately, libertarianism is overwhelmingly dominated by straight, middle income, well-educated white men, nd so -- john: the overclass >> right. how can we make libertarianism appealing to other people because the demographic is decreasing as a percentage of the population, get people not hostile to the ideas. there are certain things you can't know on the basis of who u are. in order to understand, for instce, discrimination, fo me, men is like, i have to check my female prief privilege and listen to the experiences. john: talk about things like making birth control available over the counter? >> absolutely. john: for blacks? end he drug war, allowing school choice, his hispanics, e-verify, neding permission from a government data base forever hiring anybody. >> a story from my own personal life, i was a prohibitionist because it ne

so you're making the reverse libertarian are no i'm saying the government should not be in the interest of creating a situation whereby there are classes and citizens that can't go to certain areas. ok. i still you've got going to go out of people to scream to discriminate ok. that will wrap it up mark michael thank you for the. coming up unions and environmentalists are the bedrock of the progressive movement so why really buddy heads in kentucky. we welcome erin made an abby martin to two of the coast guard t. network. it's going to give you a different perspective give me one stock never i'll give you the information you make the decision don't worry about it i'll bring you the said it's a revolution of the mind it's a revolution of ideas and consciousness. extremely new approach would be described as angry i think in a strong no. single. patients are forced. to. look at the finish line of the marathon. life. i think. i would rather i asked questions to people in positions of power instead of speaking on their behalf and that's why you can find my show larry king now right here on ou

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. >> i don't know why you became libertaria libertarians. this is what business people have to go through. >> that is one of the things that keeps me optimistic about the future. people have a warm feeling and more and more people feel they can be entrepreneurs. there is a free agent cull toour. there is something wonderful that happens when more people have to make payroll and more find themselves dealing with government pure rock see in the most regular way. whether it is having to payroll and different tax agencies for a nam number. it is wasting 33 percent of your time in a fairly small company with ten employees to comply with various burdensome regulations. >> we need more people to start businesses to wake up? >> absolutely. >> colleges are teaching people you list some of the fun courses. princeton has a source in getting dressed? >> no one at princeton could master that on their even. >> university of california san diego god, sex, cohak lat desir and the spiritual path. >> delicious. >> ufniversity of texas invente languages cling

first of all it didn't account for libertarians.ince libertarians don't have a clear play, blah, blah, blah, don't frame it on the liberal conservative spectrum. in the 1980s when you said were you a libertarian they said what is that? that's not the case anymore. people we accept now that not everyone is a liberal or con sigh tiff and add -- conservative and add it to your quiz. he does say felines are the most libertarian of all animals. >> i knew he would defend the cat. >> he said feline rtz most libertarian of all animals. >> i think we will exit on that one. should what is in your shorts make a difference in sports? a male california high school student, very attractive, is joining the girls softball team after coming to identify as female. pat cordova goff played as a freshman and is phiz phiz -- phiz yow logically a boy. but there is a law that says each student has access to sports teams that are consistent with his or her gender identity. meanwhile, this chick is trying to join the boys' treadmill team. >> he is running be

>> i think individualism libertarians should favor i letting knowledge be free. more information is gooe for individuals to make their own choices. [ applause ] >> my name is ryan, i'm a freshman at the online high school, my virtual academy. how do we deal with the liberal bias in high school because there's aa lot of it. i've dealt with it quite recently learning about franklin delano roosevelt and it praises him likes he's a god and he's he ruins everything. [ cheers and applause ] how do we deal with that? how do we communicate liberty and real freedom and all of that into high school? >> the first part of your question and the second. if you're going to an online high school, you figured out hc to opt out of the system. congratulations. [ cheers and applause ] >> my name is elizabeth francis, i'm a senior at kansas state t university. what areh some things that maybt audiences at home could take as to how advanced personal liber? and work towards changing publio policy? >> there's a great campaign outd there that's just asks people who have smoked weed to be

departs very sharply from the libertarian provision. it accepts and indeed strongly advocates the subordination of working people to the masters of the economy and furthermore the subjection of everyone to the restrictive discipline and destructive features of markets. these are topics worth pursuing and i will pick them up later if you would like but i will put them aside here. i am also recommending to you nathan's comment, his suggestion about bringing together in some way the energies of the young libertarian left and right. as indeed it has sometimes done. for example it's done in the quite important work of valuable theoretical and practical work of economists david ellerman. anarchism of courses famously of posts to the state while at the same time advocating planned administration of things in the interest of the community rockers phrase again and beyond that broader self-governing communities and workplaces. in the real world of today the same dedicated anarchists who were opposed to the state often support state power to prote

in what you're talking about today, like a libertarian.ess i would ask you, why did you leave the republican party to join the libertarians, and then why did you leave the libertarian party to rejoin the republican party? >> well, because despite detours by political parties, i stick to the constitutional road, which is what james madison called our constitution back when he wrote about it in the federalist papers. the constitution always has been where i've tried to remain. and if, in fact, a republican administration strays from that, as the bush administration did very noticeably for a while there, i don't go with it. what i do is i stay with the constitution. and that's what i find, chuck, that the people in the 11th district of georgia, which includes a lot of my old district -- >> yeah. >> -- that's what they want. they want constitutional consistency. >> so would you have -- would you have tried to bring impeachment proceedings against president bush? you brought them against president clinton. you claim you'll bring them against pr

itwhere do libertarians have right and where do libertarians have a wrong?> where libertarians have a right and wrong? libertarians and sometimes come together. i will tell your where i think they have it right -- a deep skepticism of government, of the imposition of the state into our lives. i think where they have it right is full support for sexual freedom. you can do your thing. anarchists and libertarians would save full gay rights. i was having a discussion with a libertarian outside one of my talks and i said, i think we could agree on full rights, including the right to marry. he said, no. the state should not eat involved with marriage -- not be involved with marriage. if you want to get married with your cold, you can do that. i said, that seems right to me. we can agree on that. i think the other place you get it right is to close the pentagon, stop the trillion dollar drain on our allies. i think libertarians believe that. i think they should. that is where they get it right. you only say where they get it wrong? >> libertarians are right, they a

actually split off in two thousand and sixteen i don't see much i mean will be a green party in libertarian party candidate but there are there always marginalized by the media they can't get on any debates and it's very hard for them to raise the money although they have some pretty interesting so and so would have to be like. the perot a knight in shining armor or someone who comes along either a billionaire or a john doe gary cooper type who captures the public's imagination right. yeah in fact i just today couple hours ago i released a list of twenty possible billionaires or mega billionaires who could turn it into a three way race shake up the two party paralysis give voters more choices and in fact have a more competitive democracy will it be hampered ralph by the they supreme court ruling the citizens united versus the f.e.c. is that going to hamper third party chances. yeah but not not down much more than it before i mean there is a pile of corporate cash before susi united now there are you know five piles of corporate cash and it doesn't really matter to a third party a small thir

it is libertarianism or a libertarian-style conservatism is coming to power. we don't know how this interacts with innovation and so that is what we are going to explore. the first question i have is, last year in a document you cowrote with your father you said that the technology revolution has come all in five years without government permission. on the other hand, the birth of the internet was a government-funded laboratory and public universities played a vital role. my question is, does the government in some ways be essential to innovation? >> there is a role for government. -- there was a role for government. but the real explosion of the internet was a lack of control. it was a place where people went where they want told what to do. if you look at the different successes of companies versus traditional industry or manufacturing, government was already involved with other industries with rules and revelations that you could not innovate. i think that is what we need to protect against with the internet. it is a free and open place and we don't want go

it is not i'm the most libertarian. goes at obama the hardest which we know is what a lot of republicans have been selling lately. no. it's none of those anger points and passion points. it is a transference argument. i am popular here. i have new jersey coalition. i can appeal to democrats and women voters. which he did in the re-election. this is my point on the vulnerability. when that starts to fade, there isn't anything underneath it. >> that means we have to keep our eye on two things. both what happens when the popular kid is no longer popular and popularity was the thing that made him popular in terms of his ability to win votes. and then the second piece is what is actually happening especially on these questions of whether or not there was corruption, knowledge, and whether or not the policies that were implemented harmed people who were trying to recover from a disaster. steve kornacki of up with steve kornacki which is aptly named. and it's like my show like that. thank you so much for sticking around with u

and one of the attractions of this sort of anti-government libertarian point of view, of the idea that government is the problem, you know, all those wonderful lines of, you know, "i'm here from the government, i'm here to help." that's the worst line you can hear. all that crap is in fact the flotsam and jetsam of everyone's disappointment in where we've been going. and it's being harnessed in a way that only contributes to the problem. you know, government and democracy in particular, it is about constant battle, it's about nothing ever being fixed or ever being right. we will never solve a problem to the point where we can walk away from it and the machine will, you know devour the problem without our attending to it. there will always be conflict, there will always be competing interests that force us to engage in the hard job of governing ourselves. and so the anti-government thing strikes me as a perversity. i don't think the founding fathers would recognize it. they were constructing a government of the people. that's their language and i think that's their belief. and the idea

john: i expect you are a conservative libertarian, but this is a libertarian social network? the bottom line is that they believe in smaller government that has done out organize and you go to any city council meeting or the left will be there and they have an institutional liberalism and the academy and public unions and we don't have that. so it's an attempt to make sure that people go to one place and can basically form a network within a network based upon the market functions in the more people to get to join the cause the more productive you will be and the more coins you will do it. john: okay.org or.net. they got taken. >> it's a little shorter and different and it got taken. john: you had big success in your trying to raise $250,000 in the race hundred thousand dollars? >> yet heard it's been remarkable. there has been a reputation for this. >> we're not going to tell people problems are going to win, that is going to be a function of the marketplace. once that causes out there, what people will be interested in is this. john: thank you, jason lewis. let's go to anot

. >> i am a libertarian conservative. the bottom line is those who believe in constitutional government smaller government has been out organized my entire adult life. you go to sa school board meetig the left there be will. in the academy or media as you all know public unions we don't have that. go dot io is an attempt to make certain people can go up one place give them their cause and form a network within a network based on market functions. the hoar people you get into -- >> gio. .org, dot net they were all taken p. east a little durter and different. >> sorry you had big success. you were trying to praise 25055,000 dollars you rai-- 2,5 dollars. how many like you or want to help you on your site. juanes that cross is you out there what people are going to be interested in is determined. >> now go to another new web site. this is already operating called thrust cloud. i say reputation solved problem. trust cloud gives people more ways to determine someone's reputation. you want to bor row money from me want to issue

governments can be tyrannical obviously that's true but the other thing that's tyrannical that libertarians one acknowledge is the tyranny of work you know we live in this democracy but we put ourselves in tyranny for eight hours a day they can fire you and if you don't have a job you're basically cut off from the means of your own subsistence so liberating people from that second tyranny of work and making sure that people can live a full life and produce culture and community without having. to work for a boss that's trying to work them harder and pay them less in order to get rich that that's really the essence i think of a socialist or if you prefer a communist vision do you think do you think one way to start moving in that direction is this movement that is the swiss are going to be voting on this in a few months. guaranteed minimum income there's a variation of it actually going on in alaska with the permanent everybody man woman child baby everybody gets two thousand dollars a year yeah absolutely i can't see step forward from capital meaningful step forward from capitalism to a mor

he's trying to do a little bit of tea party, a little bit of libertarian. he leaves on a country club in kentucky. he's not exactly unfamiliar with the republican establishment. he's trying to take that patchwork republican party. can he keep it together or does that splinter? >> i think that's been his strategy from the beginning. he knows he's boxed in because of his father's reputation. he's trying to broaden his appeal. he was at the reaganly bear talking about how republicans have to appeal to people who come post in their backyards. he's trying to say to the republican establishment, he went to romney's donor retreat last year, i can the establishment candidate, too. >> most people at those rallies, a lot of times at those ron paul rallie rallies, very diverse, hippies, young folks. >> i hope you're not right about that. you mentioned it in a poll like the "sports illustrated" cover, everybody stand by. vulnerable senate democrats have a blunt message for president obama, two words. stay away. bill clinton on the other hand is more welcome on the camp

libertarian radio host, jason lewis agree, and liberal radio hostal ape -- >> look at all of the trees that died for that prop. >> there are always crooks. if we didn't have collapse in 2008 maybe we would not need fur legislation. >> dodd-frank codified the law we had i place, including steroid, and bailout, if you make loans to low income people, you are predatorial ending, they had no choice, now the government tells them under dodd-frank, you do we what we say, we'll have an orderly liq liidoing, code word for bailout. >> republicans and conservatives and libertarians, less government, less rulation, then government collapsed, and dodd-frank corrects them. >> wait, it was lack of regulation that caused credit bubble. >> the lack of regulation that caused the collapse. >> how. >> how? >> yeah, it was a bubble. >> no one was mining the store. you hadanks doing whatever they wanted to. they could do all these things there was no defining line. >> moral hazard was that cause of this, of that government came in there said, we will ensure all these bad mortgages under fannie and freddie.

many libertarian friends. i love the idea of a national sales tax, replacing the income tax is a great idea, but in all honesty, probably issues like i don't want to legalize all drugs. things like that, i am pro life. i think people have a lot of chances to make choices before they have sex, you choose to get in the back of the car, you choose to take off one article of clothing and you choose to engage in that activity. i think we should be responsible in that way. those are two areas i disagree with clubber tarians. >> kim bryant wants to know -- he knows you're a hockey fan. what are the odds team usa will win the gold this year in the olympics? >> it's very high. it's a very impressive team, when is the game, saturday? >> tomorrow at noon eastern time about. >> when they beat the soviets, the soviets were lining and complaining, they have a sign outside the u.s. consulate because they didn't like the refs decision. >> we all played hockey, i was the only one remember that i didn't lose my teeth. >> which

in some ways it's kind of very similar to the rand pauls i guys did today the libertarians and the and the and. even the black bloc folks among the reoccupied thoughts. yeah i mean i think that's right i think that's insightful i think that the if you want to summarize it is that counterculture rock n roll cow culture i think of fragmented in one off in a couple different directions one emphasized social justice in its roots in the kind of you know pete seeger love the commune ality and and shared interests but i think there was also a kind of up against the wall break the you know break the windows kind of don't tell me what to do kind of emotional dimension to it that i think went off in a different track first of all a commercialised by you know rock n roll labels record labels and so on but it also went off into a kind of howard stern you know i'm going to express myself with sexual acting out an over consumption of goods and you know and a rejection of political correctness which at the end of the day is just consideration for the feeling of others so i think there was a very anti

it was very strong libertarian elements of the dominant version has been radically different.it's most instructive expression is that the regressive end of the mainstream spectrum so that is among people who are good woodrow wilson fdr kind of liberals. there are a few representative quotes from the icons of the liberal intellectual establishment on democratic theory. the public are ignorant and meddlesome outsiders. they will have to be put in their place. decisions must be in the hands of an intelligent minority of responsible men, namely us. we have to be protected from the trampling and roar of the bewildered herd out there. the herd does have a function in democratic society. they are supposed to lend their waves every few years to a choice among the responsible men but apart from that, their function is to be spectators, not participants in action. all of this is for their own good. we should not succumb to democratic dogmatism's about them being the best judges of their own interests. they are not. they are like children. we have to take care of them. we are the best ju

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departs very sharply from the libertarian provision. it accepts and indeed strongly advocates the subordination of working people to the masters of the economy and furthermore the subjection of everyone to the restrictive discipline and destructive features of markets. these are topics worth pursuing and i will pick them up later if you would like but i will put them aside here. i am also recommending to you nathan's comment, his suggestion about bringing together in some way the energies of the young libertarian left and right. as indeed it has sometimes done. for example it's done in the quite important work of valuable theoretical and practical work of economists david ellerman. anarchism of courses famously of posts to the state while at the same time advocating planned administration of things in the interest of the community rockers phrase again and beyond that broader self-governing communities and workplaces. in the real world of today the same dedicated anarchists who were opposed to the state often support state power to prote

>> privately, i think civil libertarians are worried about this. on my blog you have a heavy libertarian group, and many can't give themselves the idea of opposing the president who holds this iconic position in history. these powers will out last him. and the terrible thing about the constitutional authority is that once you lose it, you pay a heavy price to get it back. and i think people will loathe the day that they were silent in this type of face of the concentration of power. >> wow, if you want to check out his blog, i recommend it, excellent tonight. >>> the biggest problem that we're facing right now had to do with george bush trying to bring more and more power into the executive branch. >> president obama promised he would bring humility to the white house, so how is that going? former attorney general michael mulcasey reacts. >> plus? >>. >>> he has uusurped the >>> general holder, i respectfully but forcefully disagree with the assertion, when you look at the quality, not just the quantity of the executive orders he has issued, he has

you are welcome libertarians i just un(bleep) your facts. >> jon: that is kind of you.enjoy the e-mails thanking you for that that i will receive. what about this idea that lincoln could have stopped slavery by buying all the slaves, buying them. >> yeah, that's how the free market works. yeah. when a product is bought up completely it just goes away. it's why mcdonalds motto is 1,000 searched we're out. >> jon: i didn't know that. [ laughter ] >> buyinging all the slaves wouldn't have been practical do you know how much it costs for one specimen that could work in your field and represent you in the snows a breeder. q. what would you pay for such a versatile young buck, jon? [laughter] >> jon: this is very uncomfortable for me. >> because we should never buy people. >> jon: right. that's what i meant. that's what i meant. that's why it was uncomfortable. [cheers and applause] the problem here is napolitano's economic argument considers people as though they are property. the same people who feel the civil war was too high a price have no problem shedding american blood

. >> these moguls, as you call them, pass themselves off as libertarians. >> oh, they do.hey make a big pretense about being libertarians and believing in the rugged individualism and so forth. but they've been every bit as intrusive as the nsa has been, in terms of collecting your data for commercial purposes, rather than so-called national security purposes. but they're in it just as heavily as the nsa is. and they somehow manage to get the intellectual property laws rigged so that you are theoretically subject to a fine of up to $500,000 for jail breaking your phone. >> which means? >> which means if you don't like the carrier on your phone that the manufacturer dictates you shall have and you change it without authorization, you don't have the right to something you bought. >> could this symbiotic and actual relationship between silicon valley and the government reflecting the deep state, explain the indulgence washington has shown silicon valley on matters of intellectual property? >> absolutely. people no longer necessarily own their property that they buy if they're