don't shy away from leaving it to the states libertarians say here's my philosophy look i am. more liberal than the most liberal democrat when it comes to social issues i'm more conservative than any republican when it comes to dollars and cents we need to balance the federal budget now or we're going to find ourselves with no government services we're going to find ourselves in a monetary collapse well let's talk about the koch brothers speaking of people who kind of have taken that philosophy and really to the extreme i mean their front groups are instrumental in cooption of the tea party and as a libertarian do you disagree in any way with the way that these brothers have been not belies information influence and industry you know i do not know the koch brothers but what i know of the koch brothers brothers is they started up the cato institute and and. david koch ran as a vice presidential candidate for the libertarian party so i think they absolutely have libertarian roots but still even though the cato institute you could argue have done some things that are that are you

libertarian. >> changing the opinion. john: good. when government gives some people special privileges it deprives us of good things like this. >> the government protect the chosen ones. that is our show tonight. ♪ >> and now john stossel. ♪ john: the chosen ones are what we call these selected ones that get special favors. you want to give someone a favor , fine, some which -- some business was to, fine, they and you spend your own money. unlike government, you cannot use force. government uses force with gives out favors. taxes you and me to give money and often special privileges to chosen ones. usually rich people with connections. and as government grows it gives up more favors like handouts to so-called green energy companies are union car makers. most recently the really big money went to bankers on wall street. this causes a great deformation and corruption of capitalism says of former reagan budget director just wrote a book about that, david stockman. a great deformation. >> failed, overwhelmed. fiscally out of control. it

libertarian. >> changing the opinion. john: good. when government gives some people special privileges it deprives us of good things like this. >> the government protect the chosen ones. that is our show tonight. ♪ >> and now john stossel. ♪ john: the chosen ones are what we call these selected ones that get special favors. you want to give someone a favor , fine, some which -- some business was to, fine, they and you spend your own money. unlike government, you cannot use force. government uses force with gives out favors. taxes you and me to give money and often special privileges to chosen ones. usually rich people with connections. and as government grows it gives upore favors like handouts to so-called green energy companies are union car makers. most recently the really big money went to bankers on wall street. this causes a great deformation and corruption of capitalism says of former reagan budget director just wrote a book about that, david stockman. a great deformation. >> failed, overwhelmed. fiscally out of control. it is

is gaining traction yet has been so convoluted by the establishment describe true libertarianism to our audience through libertarianism would be called classical liberalism meaning you get all of your liberties you get your social liberties and you get your economic liberties and i would disagree with that capitalism exploitative i think that capitalism is what allows us to accrue the materials that we need to help more people so if i go out and i make a lot of money like bill gates then i have money to do things like invest in cancer research or in malaria research and to do more good things for the community so to me it's really about the idea that you should be allowed to have as much liberty as possible without harming someone else but you know really make and have this funny quote he says you know i believe in one thing liberty but i don't believe in it enough to force it on anyone else so if you don't believe that you have the right to force your beliefs on anyone else. you might be a libertarian and eugene you represent the big scary so many people run the opposite direction

but it's social libertarianism where it's it's the better for all of us and it's also anticapitalist and i think that that's a really important distinction to make because capitalism has been exploited capitalism has been oppressive to communities all over the planet and to the extraction of resources destroy the earth along the way thank you and austin libertarianism is gaining traction yet it's been so convoluted by the establishment describe true libertarianism to our audience through libertarianism would be called classical liberalism meaning you get all of your liberties you get your social liberties and you get your economic liberties and i would disagree with that capitalism exploitative i think that capitalism is what allows us to accrue the materials that we need to help more people so if i go out and i make a lot of money like bill gates then i have money to do things like invest in cancer research or in malaria research and to do more good things for the community so to me it's really about the idea that you should be allowed to have as much liberty as possible without har

joined by a special guest gary johnson the two thousand and twelve presidential candidate for the libertarian party he'll talk to us about the recent militarization of police and boston bill so american foreign policy that and more coming your way. and an f.b.i. back to bill being drafted by a u.s. task force would punish high tech companies if they refused to comply with wiretaps so what does this mean for your civil liberties we'll investigate. and the f.b.i. is looking into virginia governor bob mcdonnell relationship with a four part c.e.o. the c.e.o. even cater the wedding of the governor's daughter is this another case of buying influence will question more. it's tuesday april thirtieth five pm in washington d.c. i'm megan lopez and you are watching our t.v. all right starting this hour a look back at the events that led to the seizure of an entire city just over two weeks ago the city of boston experienced terror firsthand during one of its most celebrated sporting events as a manhunt ensued to find those responsible for the attack law enforcement put the city on lockdown going door to

david, when he was more libertarian tan today. [laughter] described as post great government at pregreat society prices. it was something of a failure in term of cutting government and limiting government. the final thing is dividing government which has been successful in curtailing the growth of government it was in the '90s you had to divided government between clinton and republican. i would argue we would see some degree of success with it now. to actually address the long-term drivers of the debt and keep the federal government from continuing to grow, there are going to need to be systemic reform to entitlement. and under the current political conditions it's very difficult to see how those things could be accomplished through divide government today. there was a period in the '90s it light like there might be an opportunity for that. we had a centrist democratic president and and people talking about entitlement reform and other things. there are different views of what role of government actually stimulates the economy. w

you have the libertarian strain which goes back to barry goldwater, live and let live. at the end of his life pro-gay rights, live and let live. and then the religious cultural right which has given the party all its votes in the last 20 or 30 years starting with the prayer issue back in '61. let me ask you, dr. robin armstrong, let me ask you. what is the strongest strain in your history is it libertarianism orthodox cultural values? >> i think it's a combination of both. >> that combination ain't working right now. >> well, i'll tell what you we're talking about in our party is having a big tent. we allow everyone in. actually we're the tolerant party. we allow people who are pro-choice in our party. we allow people to come in who are in favor of homosexual marriage. mr. angelo is a log cabin republ republican. he is a republican, a strong republican. all we're saying is, listen, we affirm marriage is between one man and one woman. we believe that. we're not going to compromise that value. that is what we believe. >> never? you're never going to compromise? let me get

and after the president's re-election, i think a lot of conservatives and libertarians were demoralized, particularly people who thought that romney was going to win in some kind of a landslide were worried that obama's re-election meant that the country had changed in some fundamental, irreversible way. they began to doubt after the 2010 elections had looked pretty good for groups like the tea party and for conservative republicans, they began to doubt that big government actually could be stoppedment so that -- stopped. so that's one of the reasons why i think having this discussion is important. i think that there is no reason for people to give up all hope. i think when you look at the trajectory of american politics in the last few election cycles, it's been very volatile. and we've seen a lot of change in a very short period of time. you're a young audience for the most part, but i think you're all old enough to remember the permanent republican majority that was going to happen after 2004, remember that? [laughter] that was going to be ushered in in part to the american people's

but libertarians believe that the free market will work itself out. and i think the government might rightfully put a lot more regulation into situations that are more volatile. for example, a fertilizer plant blew up in france as well after 9/11. obviously a volatile situation. wouldn't it call for more regulation. >> i'm not down the line libertarian myself but if i were to put myself in those shoes the theory would be that it's a bad business move to let your plant explode. the free market would not allow for a plant to explode because that's a bad business model. this is not something that i subscribe to and i'm probably not doing very much justice. this is the free market would sort itself out because the pursuit of capital would allow this company to make the right decisions in pursuit of that effort and avoid industrial accidents like this. but there is no way to avoid accidents 100% of the time, and bad things happen. >> two quick things. one, i think that if there is a chance that this type or this size explosion is possible based on the ways

i hear that argument by libertarians a lot.s like we have to get rid of social security, but i'm a generous person, i'll give to the poor. you hear that a lot in the libertarian argument. that's going to be the problem for rand paul. he can't really talk his way out of that history. you're either for the government going in and desegregating schools and lunch counters, the little rock, arkansas, high school, or you're against it. he's going to have a tough time parsing that for these students. >> will you be attending. >> i hope so. the grio will have a report tomorrow. >> that's great for our viewers to watch out for that. joy reid. thank you, joy. >>> much more ahead. first, the cnbc market wrap. good afternoon, bertha. >> good afternoon, martin. the dow finishing once again at a record high up nearly 60 points on the day. s&p gaining 5. nasdaq closed up 15 points. jcpenn jcpenney, closing at a 12-year low after the retailer fired ceo ron johnson after only 17 months on the job. he tried to remake the store as a high-end stor

as a libertarian, i imagine your pro gun rights.o you come out on this. >> if you remember after the n.r.a., the first controversial wane lapierre press conference, you might remember conservatives supported him liberals were morninging him and the lib are tarns didn't know how to react to it. i will put off by the n.r.a. and i think ron paul had the best response, throw out the 10th 10th amendment in favor of the second amendment now have the federal government fund some sort of pseudoamerican police force to come in and protect these schools. only 2% of youth homicides happen in schools. it's a misplaced priority. wane lapierre is looking like he is doing something. >> you are always on appointment on the libertarian idealogy. noah who wins politically? i saw a recent article you wrote about that in terms of democrats and republicans. on the one hand, when you talk about gun control the numbers have slipped on it. it's gone from if i have 7% in favor of gun control down to 47% in fave of gun control. on the other hand, background

i don't think he really would be the libertarian candidate was certain of his policies no. i mean with the party would take him at this point most likely in many respects mcconnell has given him the sloppiest wet kiss i've seen any politician ever give anyone ok let's go let's pick this up let's let's before we do that with the big nor the big the big picture we get back after this break. let me let me i want to know we're going to let me ask you a question. here on this network as we're not in the debate we have our knives out. this time what's the best thing there to get here in a situation where b. and i don't even talk about the surveillance me. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so for lengthly you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and you hear or see some other part of it and realize everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm sorry welcome to the big picture . here is mitt romney trying to figure out the name of that thing that we americans call. a. i'm sorry i'm just a guy who cares enough. to use our our if you know wha

is it libertarianism or sort of orthodox cultural values? >> i think it's a combination of both. >> well, that combination ain't working right now. >> we're talking about, i'll i'll tell you what we're talking about in our party is having a big tent. we allow everyone in. we are very -- actually we're the tolerant party. we allow, you know, people who are pro-choice in our party. we allow people to come in who are in favor of homosexual marriage. i know mr. angelo is a log cabin republican. he is a republican, a strong republican. all we're saying is, listen, we affirm marriage is between one man and one woman. we believe that. we're not going to compromise that value. that is what we believe. but -- >> ever. you're never going to compromise? no, let me get this straight. doctor, let me get this straight. >> sure. >> i want to get your phrasing here. are you ever, ever going to be open to the door of changing that position, or is it permanent with your party? >> i am saying right now that we -- >> right now. >> -- are not going to compromise

that's the difference between a libertarian point of view. everyone needs to be armed. if you want to be armed, arm yourself to the tee. if you want a silo of guns, if you want a cash of weapons, that's fine. i don't think that needs to be projected as an experiment, but having said that, single elderly women i would much rather thugs be in fear. >> no one is forcing these people to enroll in this program. it really is -- what it is doing is saying people who can't afford a gun because states charge -- the guns themselves are expensive and permits on top of that. all of these places now want taxes on them which may prevent poor people from arming themselves. so this group is saying we are going to help you out. >> and they are underlining the fact that ultimately the first responder isn't a cop. it is you. you have to take some responsibility or you are forced to take some responsibility, particularly in difficult neighborhoods. that's a perfectly great message. >> and the fact they are giving out shotguns, joe biden has to be happy about that. >> what was his advice? >

i don't think he really would be the libertarian can it was certain of his policies now. i mean with the party would take him at this point most likely in many respects mitch mcconnell has given him the sloppiest wet kiss i've seen any politician ever give anyone ok let's go let's pick this up let's let's go forward to war with the big nor the big the big picture we get back after this break. potentially deadly blizzard taking aim for the northeast it's expected to hit stunning in a few hours from new york to maine we have team coverage of the storm. we're watching is the very heavy snow moving into boston proper earlier today it was very sticky you can see it start to become much more powdery down the line there's still a lot of snow out here the place for snowball fight. d.c. it is going to pretty incredible day there and even record snowfall throughout much of it might still be slightly drunk in some emergency. dangerous experiments on prisoners they want to make money and they have healthy guinea pigs in the regular society and now they will be used prison any more th

i was very encouraged by the number of young people that the libertarian minded republican got to. hope is not gone. >> it is worth fighting for and there are a lot of people with good ideas and people to care. it is true. this the packed audience they are young but remember we have jobs and young people don't. [laughter] it was wonderful to see people at activated but conrad is interesting it split the party you can see already it was the tea party establishment saying it was difficult is going on nationally you could see the rand paul and marco rubio but i have to say they are both impressive than the candidates republicans are putting forward lately and romney is wonderful but not a good candidate. >> i just can believe it either want to pick on the guy that i open the paper and i see that. it was a shock. >> want to start i agree about the issue of the current political paradigm i do believe it is doomed but i am still optimistic that the phoenix can rise from the ashes. i was able to attend a national students for liberty conference last month with an colter in front of 1400 s

is it libertarianism or sort of orthodox cultural values?> i think it's a combination of both. >> well, that combination ain't working right now. >> we're talking about, i'll i'll tell you what we're talking about in our party is having a big tent. we allow everyone in. we are very -- actually we're the tolerant party. we allow, you know, people who are pro-choice in our party. we allow people to come in who are in favor of homosexual marriage. i know mr. angelo is a log cabin republican. he is a republican, a strong republican. all we're saying is, listen, we affirm marriage is between one man and one woman. we believe that. we're not going to compromise that value. that is what we believe. but -- >> ever. you're never going to compromise? no, let me get this straight. doctor, let me get this straight. >> sure. >> i want to get your phrasing here. are you ever, ever going to be open to the door of changing that position, or is it permanent with your party? >> i am saying right now that we -- >> right now. >> -- are not going to compromise -

understand why industrial giants like the koch brothers and others are so enthusiastic to fund libertarian think tanks the talk about less government regulation they want to make sure they can continue to x. stern ally's their costs to you and me and they can keep the profits and they've been incredibly successful particularly since reagan began slowing down a rolling back the work that nixon put into place with agencies like the e.p.a. you and i and working people around the world are paying these trillion dollar price tags while those writable for them the giant corporations of the world are continuing to rake in record profits as long as there's no or little cost to them because you and i in the environment are paying the bill the more they devastate environmental extra nowadays and the more profits they make this lack of defining valuing and charging for corporate externalities makes it more expensive for all of us in society and more profitable for a very small group of very large corporations and their billionaire owners this is not how markets should work corporations should not be

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he came back to it and said, you know, i think the naysayers and civil libertarians are in the minoritynd mosamericans believe that they -- that we have to do more in the security realm. you know, there are others like senator rand paul and another -- kind of a growing minority, i will say a minority, but a growing population up on capitol hill who are concerned about where that line is with, you know, security and giving up freedom. >> yeah. and that's the question i think a lot of people have too. and you're talking about the fact that more americans today are saying, okay, okay, i'll give up some of my liberties in return for more safety. but especially in washington and especially in the capital where this week has been with the ricin letters and with some bomb scares and suspicious packages, is it an emotional reaction that just ramps up when you have this sort of security issue? or is it a growing trend where congress is saying, we need to clamp down on liberties so that we have safety? >> you know, it's a great question. i think after 9/11, there was a long period of time as you

it seems to me that this is the problem with your libertarian philosophy that when disasters happen then we react rather than preventing the disasters in the first place it's tough to say i mean you don't always have too much prior restraint on people you want to let people be able to go out into the marketplace and take risks we have been known for two hundred years of writing and i tried to six but the problem is we're living in your world right now tom you understand we have a hyper regulatory state and we have all of these agencies that yes we do and we have all of these agencies that are once there are sixty seven years i really after shows up because people are the odds are it's on of them by giving them a good debate and i want to tell you right now there are five different agencies that were responsible for oversight of this company and none of them reported the issues that they had to osha who was supposed to be managing this in my libertarian paradise there might be a system that would be more sparse saying what we're taking care of the government wasn't big enough when no what

he came back to it and said, you know, i think the naysayers and civil libertarians are in the minoritynd most americans believe that they -- that we have to do more in the security realm. you know, there are others like senator rand paul and another -- kind of a growing minority, i will say a minority, but a growing population up on capitol hill who are concerned about where that line is with, you know, security and giving up freedom. >> yeah. and that's the question i think a lot of people have too. and you're talking about the fact that more americans today are saying, okay, okay, i'll give up some of my liberties in return for more safety. but especially in washington and especial in the capital where this week has been with the ricin letters and with some bomb scares and suspicious packages, is it an emotional reaction that just ramps up when you have this sort of security issue? or is it a growing trend where congress is saying, we need to clamp down on liberties so that we have safety? >> you know, it's a great question. i think after 9/11, there was a long period of time as you

i think people who call themselves liberal sometimes mean libertarian. many young people would consider themselves libertarian over conservative or liberal. i think this is the strength of say rand paul, when he talks about drones or talks about all these different issues from a libertarian bent. i think that's really what's going to happen in the coming years. >> okay. it seems to me what you've got is younger people don't understand the fuss about gay people. they don't care. predominantly. >> very, very interesting that you say that. that's exactly where i was going. i personally think election day republicans were taken to the wood shed. i appreciate what kelly just said and i hope that there's a big enough big top in the republican party for that type of diversity and that type of debate. they haven't been successful at it in the recent past. they got taken to the wood shed, all of a sudden there's this mass movement to move to the center of the party. and two years ago, a pastor friend of mine said when i look out into the congregation into the eye

and as lib tarns move -- libertarians moved in to seize control of the movement and you see that fromnorquist and they have a once a week meeting where they get together to plot strategy and messaging. social conservatives their faction has really shrunk in the republican party and they started boosting efforts, and you see this competing lunch also on wednesday. some are kind of disastrous but trying to take back the movement, basically. >> michael: well i hope the democrats are having similar lunches. this democrat is having plenty of lunch, but i hope the ones that matter do. thank you lee fang, author of "the machine: a field guide to the resurgent right." coming up all of the yucks from the white house correspondent dinner. >> nine. >> this is what 27 tons of marijuana looks like. (vo) with award winning documentaries that take you inside the headlines, way inside. (vo) from the underworld, to the world of privilege. >> everyone in michael jackson's life was out to use him. (vo) no one brings you more documentaries that are real, gripping, current. >> if you believe in state's ri

but let me tell you the libertarian piece to this is the most intriguing to me.me i was on the show i was talking about going out on the campaign trail with ron paul. these are the issues, these civil liberty issues, the sense of being spied upon or the government going after it's own citizens in the name of terror. those are the issues that really animated ron paul supporters, and a lot of ron paul supporters are young people. republicans in looking for issues that they can bring young people over to their side, this is an issue that is very fruitful if they play their cards right. young people do not want to feel like they're being spied upon, and it's something that could potentially break them from the democratic party if there is a sense that it goes too far. >> cenk: beth gets the conversation stopper on this one. absolutely right. i think if the republicans--they're always talking about rebranding. forget rebranding. try something sub stan difficulty. this would be it and you would reach out to new people. believe me i know the online community. we have a

. >> i think it's appalling to any american, democrat, republican, humanitarian, libertarian or vegetarianat somebody on the dole in the united states receiving the charity of the united states turns around and bites the hand that's basically feeding them, that a guy who hasn't work, his wife is working 70, 80 hours a week, is doing terrorism against the united states and its 70s zens. it's appalling, shocking and disgusting and also there is abuse of the system, it's something we have to adjust. i don't think it's hypocritical or inconsistent to talk about some of these exceptions for national security. >> ana in a va know, so much nad benjamin barber, have a great weekend. >>> security cameras are becoming increasingly effective tool for police. they aren't cheap. we'll look at the cost of surveillance, next. inol is intensified with a serum. it's proven to be 4x better at smoothing lines and deep wrinkles than professional treatments. roc® max for maximum results. we don't let frequent heartburn come between us and what we love. so if you're one of them people who gets heartburn and the

discussion with people who represent the voices of a growing alternative will be talking about libertarianism anarchism and socialism very philosophy is gaining momentum as more people are becoming disillusioned with the status quo to talk about everything from the role of government to an ideal society i'm joined now by a brilliant panel and breaking the stats first ever alternative voices to. bait started with scott crow author of black flags and windmills and founder of the anarchist common ground collective and peterson production director at freedom works and editor of libertarian republic dot com and eugene puryear former vice presidential candidate of the party for socialism and liberation thanks so much all of you for.

of amazing leaders had of occupy little rock the tea party young americans for liberty greens libertarians a dependent sioux name it republicans came out to host and rally it was covered by all the local media in little rock and now it's these leaders on the ground who are going to be hosting the united we stand fast civil and little rock arkansas the rising arena seventeen thousand people this venue holds on june twenty second from six to ten pm and the amount of people that are confirming ralph nader is confirmed to participate michael donna artistic hollywood producer of pirates of the caribbean got a six second sees our producer for the event as well as marcey for grave with a.d.m. who helped produce our producer larry king debate golden state and american idol the ron paul bomb song joran page musician the list goes on and on tatyana more. tali elisabet i'm a zero amber lyon dan johnson larry pratt the president of gun our america really sounds like you've got a whole host of people coming in to. your name to actually had here on the show i think this is going to be very exciting what

i'm a libertarian republican, we do this a lot differently, and here is how. a straight jacket there and he didn't forthrightly deal with the last 40 years. >> right. >> basically. >> tamahazi, you've written a lot about this. on the left, there's this sort of very testimony pest uous feeling. because they sometimes agree with you and sometimes they don't. sometimes they say things you really like and sometimes they say things you really hate. you wrote a lot about rand paul in relationship to race. i'm curious, the whole them you thought, i thought, what does tamahazi think about this speech at howard. >> he grew a great hunt. i went to howard a many moons ago. go byson. but what is what is most illustrative to me, no one around him said you will get the question about civil rights act. you have to have a good solid answer. this is not a room fall of random black people. this is the mecca. you can't give a lk lecture to these people on african-american people and civil rights. they lived this. they stand under the flagpole and discuss this all the time. i'm s

what he wants his son to do, a lot of people believe this is why ron paul didn't run as a libertarianendent. he wanted to preserve enough of his republican brand for his son to be able to fix the parts that didn't work in mainstream. rand paul is trying to take paulism mainstream. he's going to run for president. he has no more chance of being president than i do, but he's going to run. >> actually i think you have a very good chance at being president. but david, you were going to say? >> i hereby nominate joy ann reid. but, no, the -- i think there is a pretty, you know, natural ceiling on rand paul's support. you know, he doesn't fall into a lot of traditional boxes on the republican side, particularly in foreign policy. the establishment is going to come down on him pretty hard if he gets too far along toward 2016. but he will be this perennial burr in the side of the republican party because he does have that natural consistency. p people who are down in the basement doing money bombs and who will cheer him on. >> buying gold. >> and go, you know, he'll be their -- >> david corn,

ron paul congressman ron paul which really does showcase how there's a lot that libertarians and leftists can agree on we can unite on a lot of things against the establishment instead of having such a fragmented opposition how can we focus more on this unification. what are going to be a number of different coalitions and coming together that will surprise people that brother ron paul and brother rand paul i come together with in terms of their defense of rights and liberties. drones has been the focus of the thirteen hour filibuster brother rand paul thought it was wonderful i wish that he had talked about non americans as well as americans but at least the issue of receive a certain publicized invisibility when it comes to ron paul and we have come together with him and his powerful rejection of the patriotic act his powerful rejects in the national defense authorization act where the president has the right to detain american citizens without due process without a trial without any judicial process whatsoever that's the signs of an authoritarian state of course the problem is my liber