we use that in libya. it's going to take probably decades to ma i can it international law like human rights law, the universitial declaration, that was a deck laration like the isn'ty to protect over decades of treaties ratifying that, action and supporting human rights, that becomes the new law. unless we are doing to do some things that violate current law, we can't get to a place where we can stop things like the syrian civil war early enough that they room. >> intervention is often needed early to be effective? >> absolutely. at this point, i look at this and think how on earth are you going to stop this? i think action against assad himself to force him to the negotiating table but i am not sure who else would be at that table at this points because >> right. >> it will be four years on. >> the moderate sirrians seem to be minimal at best in their strength and number. so, if you go after assad, are you not then helping isil? >> and if you go after isil, aren't you helping assad? syria has now fractur

and tibruk, libya is in the heart of statelessness. at the heart, oil. and libya is sitting on the country's biggest oil terminal. fighting in this oil-reach region has forced terminals nearby to close. >> the attack on the oil region clearly shows that libyan dawn wants to be in fully in charge of the oil resources we need fond to sponsor their terrorist operations. just like other terrorist groups have done in other parts of the world. >> reporter: complicating matters further, the group has established a couple of the city. now plans to help libya dawn fighters. al jazeera. >> former u.s. vice president dick cheney has again defended brutal interrogation techniques that the cia used during his time in office. cheney made no distinction between improved enhanced techniques and those that were beyond the white house had authorized. the comments came after the u.s. report on cia use of techniques around the world. >> reporter: facing tough questions over the cia's so-called enhanced interrogation techniques. new details have been comin

. >>> a rebel attack on some of libya's biggest oil terminals has killed at least 19 soldiers.ket fired by lib -- libyan dawn set fire. >> reporter: smoke rises over the terminal. fighters belonging to the group libyan dawn launched the attack. libya's oil terminals are mainly in the east of the country, under the control of forces affiliated to the former general haftar. his men have been fighting alongside soldiers for a government based in tobruk. >> there will be great fighting among the two groups which will result in destroying all of the oil facilities. that's what happened in benghazi, and in triply with the airport. >> reporter: libya is under control of two rival governments. in august, militias opposed to the government took of the capitol tripoli. their own government was put in place. and in november the country's supreme court invalidated the election of the parliament, siting violations of libya's provisional constitution. [ gunfire ] >> reporter: rival militias have also foerl form -- formed two loosely affiliated blocks. libyan dawn is a loose coalition of mili

let's cross to libya, and speak to a political activist.hank you for joining us. the tobruk government, those that guard the oil terminals, they keep control of the terminals. >> i think is it safe, i think there'll be big fighting between the globes, which destroys the city. that's what happened on the airport. both sides are not professional military, they are unprofessional. they are just fighting. what we are afraid of - surely the rebels of libya dawn are trying to take control of the facilities, because the importance of the ports is key. and who controls them controls the finances. >> exactly, exactly. all right. but what would benefit each party they destroy everything. both side do not leave the facility safe. i believe they will - libya will not control until two weeks time the area. because there is a lot of it coming from each country, to join the force, to fight against libyan. this is a problem. this will actually start to divide the country, inside the country. >> let me ask you about reports of other groups fighting alongsid

thank you for keeping us up to date on the situation in libya. >> let's stay in libya, where some civilians in the west and other parts of the country fled the fighting and are returning home to a different reality. we have this report. >> reporter: for the first time after being warned to leave, the sail 'em family came home. it was hardly a welcome anyone would want. their home was looted and their village in western libya destroyed, after a battle between rival militias. >> everything was taken away. we were very upset, what can i say. thank god my children are safe. everything else can be replaced. other villages in western libya have been the focus of battles for two weeks. it left civilians struggling to avoid the cross fire much people say under the former leader they suffered. now they are suffering again. in an attempt to end the misery, a special representative for the u.n. support measure in libya met with leaders in tobruk. they were forced from office when the supreme court annulled the parliament. it remains internationally recognised. the new government, under the general nat

libya.with us here on "market makers." ♪ >> it was nearly four years ago that the us-led coalition overthrew muammar gaddafi's government in libya. of the country has descended into anarchy. wide areas are out of the control of the central government. it may emerge as a key geopolitical hotspot in 2015. we bring in a former state department official who is now with the middle east institute. thank you for joining us on christmas eve. let me ask you about a very serious and santos subject. -- sad a subject. subject. is this the same thing happening in libya? >> president obama himself said that we should have paid more attention to the aftereffects of overthrowing qadhafi. we were overreacting to what when we in iraq overthrew the saddam hussein regime and dismantled the army and dismantled the party and other institutions. in libya, we assumed that an army and other editions of government would emerge after the overthrow of muammar gaddafi. he dismantled what little he found when he came to

also ahead - the battle for libya - 16 die in violence near the border with tunisia >>> no trains or planes, belgium grind to a stop as a 24 hour strike gets under way >>> we begin in australia where an armed man is holding an unknown number of people hostage inside a cafe in central sydney. this is the scene in martin place, which has been in lock down since this siege started at 9:45am local time. it's 10 o'clock at night, and much of the area remains cordoned off. we'll be live in sydney with correspond andrew thomas in a moment. first a look at how the events unfolded. >> reporter: this woman is running from the scope of a hostage taking in sydney. a number of people have escaped from a cafe where they were held near martin place station. others were trapped inside, and have been all day. prime minister tony abbott says the hostage taker is politically motivated. >> this is a disturbing incident. it is profoundly shocking that incident people should be held hostage by an armed person claiming political motivation. >> reporter: here a hostage that escaped is taken away by police.

meanwhile some civilians in the west of libya and other parts of the country who fled the fighting areurning home but to a very different reality. and natasha reports. >> reporter: for the first time after being warned to leave, the salem family came home but hardly a welcome anyone would want. their home was looted and their village in western libya destroyed after a battle between rival malitia. >> everything taken away and we are very upset and what can i say, thank god my children are safe. everything else can be replaced. >> reporter: and villages in libya is the focus of battles for the last two weeks. the fighting is leaving civilians struggling to avoid the cross fire and people here say under former leader gaddafi they suffer and now they suffer again. in an attempt to end the misery the special representative for the u.n. support mission in libya met in tabrook on monday and forced from office recently when the supreme court anulled the parliament but remains international recognized and under the congress in tripoli criticized the u.n., accusing it of being bias and insistin

libya has had two governments, and parliaments completing for control.st former rebels controlled the capitol triply. it forced the new government to retreat to the east. but in november the country's supreme court invalidated the election of the parliament, citing violations of libya's provincial constitution. previous efforts to get peace talks have failed. it's not clear if other powerful militias are invited. some suggest without them the peace talks will fail. >> translator: without them i don't see the talks will succeed. if they are excluded it will complication the situation. >> reporter: the u.n. says 120,000 people have been forced to leave their homes. >>> more than half of iraq's 300,000 christians have been forced from their homes since isil took over parts of their country in june. the refugees are doing their best to celebrate christmas despite not knowing what the new year will hold. >> reporter: for children here the joy of christmas comes in very small packages. these children are from ancient christian towns in the north of iraq, taken

imagine what his columns are facing libya and what he has to deal with. all of us have to stand by -- imagine what his problems are facing libya and what yesterday with. all of us have to stand by them. worry about my challenges, and then i think about what he has to go through. >> i will turn to the palestinian issue, but before that, the refugee question. you have 1.5 million refugees. 1.5 million refugees, over 20% of our population in the past year and a half. almost 90% are outside of refugee camps. only a very small portion in the refugee camps and the rest are across the country. it has affected our health care, our school systems. we have regressed to going back to double-shifts. >> what is the economic measurement of this? >> your country has been so gracious and so magnanimous in helping us out with its aid program. please, my appreciation to the united states. i wish the rest of the international committee could be as helpful. -- community could be as helpful. , thehis year's budget donor aid only cover something like 29%. we still have a short

libya is an oil member.t why you don't think it is going to have a big impact on prices. >> libyan oil production is down to about 350,000 barrels a day. it is down from about 800,000 barrels a day. if we look to 2015 the arith ma tick is pretty simple. u.s. oil production is expected to go up 800,000 barrels a day. iraq is expected to go up another 700,000 barrels a day. world oil demand is only expected to go up 900,000 barrels a day, which means we have an evergrowing surplus in 2015. >> don't you think that is already baked in don't you? those aren't new numbers. >> i don't think the market realizes how big the supply is specially when we throw what's going on in russia into the equation with the expectation that more exports are going to come out of russia. we are seeing oil stack up all over the world. >> my only question would be on the demand side of things. we are looking at an economy that just grew 5%. china and jap are in stimulus mode where they are pumping liquidity and extra into their economy

had military personnel operating in libya right now? >> no, we do not. >> breeze to continue to search for any benghazi attacker's? >> we continue to search for the benghazi networks. >> benghazi, two years after the attack on the u.s. consulate a major issue with the right-wing and the conspiracy theories about why we didn't rescue. two years later what assets do you have for your disposal right now? is something like that happen again what do you have available? >> we have the fast teams from the marines. we have commanders emergency response forces and we have this special crisis response and it may have the east african response force in djibouti. we also have for sharing agreements with european command to be able to be much more responsive and then we think we have developed an improved way to execute the indications are warnings with her interagency partners to ensure that we can move and reposition closer. we have done that three times for example into citronella based on indications and of course the reinforcement of the embass

a top story coming out of libya where the. abruk government has accused forces of being like isil and trying to take over resources in order to sponsor what they call terrorist activities, that follows the closure of the company's two biggest oil ports due to fighting. libya has seen instability as armed groups loyal to the two rival governments battle for control. a professor of international politics joins me now from san antonio. thank you very much, sir, for being with us. if you could, just explain to us this stoppage of the shipping terminals. how does this affect the country's resources? >> it's going to affect it tremendously, especially now when libya is going to face extreme deficits in the coming years. not only this year, next year. this is going to make it much, much worse. it's going to put tremendous pressure to the government to come up with some solutions to the economic situation. i thinks that's the reason behind the attack to put put pressure on the government and the economy of the country by the malitias

libya. in the east. what is your assessment of what kind of isis fighters you are seeing in the east. do they have at network? are you seeing command-and-control? >> it is mainly about people coming for training and logistic support right now, training sites and that is what we see right now. as far as a huge command-and-control network i have not seen that yet. >> you are seeing isis training sites in eastern libya. >> the numbers are somewhere around a couple hundred is the estimate but we don't have a specific precise assessment of that right now. >> as long as you are here, what you are seeing going on. we see a lot of violence in the last several days, what do you think is going on with them? elson bob as well, we are -- where they're getting their support with isis connections to either of those, new peak connections, can you walk us through? >> al shabaab efforts have continued to be the same as the east from that direction. they have continued to evolve their tactics and techniques and procedures

their home was looted and their village in western libya destroyed. after a battle between rival militi militias. >> everything was taken away. we are upset. what can i say. thank god my children are safe. everything can be replaced. >> this man and other villagers have been the focus of battles for the last two weeks. the fighting left civilians struggling to avoid the crossfire. people say under former leader they suffered. now they are suffering again. in an attempt to end the misery, the special representative for the u.n. support mission in libya met with the former government minister on monday. they were forced from office when the supreme court annulled a parliament. it remains internationally recognised. the new government under the general national congress. it accused the u.n. of being biased and wanted to to respect the court's decision. the u.n. officials say it is not representing anyone in particular, and the path the country is on is a dangerous one. >> military option is a bad option for libya. it means a lot of time of fighting, losi

it is still unclear who has established units in libya. state has occupied large swaths of iraq and syria. the u.s. is leading an aerial bombing campaign but for now there are no plans to do this -- to do the same in libya. there are growing concerns over the groups reach in north africa. there are worries it will become a breeding ground for radical groups. >> today at a conference in london, the u.s., britain, and other allies promise not to abandon afghanistan's new government, despite the end of their combat mission there. the president thanked the international community for its commitment and promise new measures to fight corruption. our chief international correspondent reports. next this war isn't over. the taliban are now carrying out almost daily suicide attacks in .obble -- in kabul so many afghans are dying. late last week, an assault on the headquarters british troops just handed over to afghan forces. these pictures filmed by the bbc highlight a gleeful efficiency. foreign troops including britons came home. in london today,

i would say the same thing over libya. i didn't support the intervention in libya. i didn't see our national interests involved in that particular intervention. i think the president did it primarily because the british and french talked him into doing it for hupt and commercial and economic reasons to do it. and now libya is in chaos. it's not just what happened in benghazi. there also is no order there. and so our intervention there was not followed up on, and it turned out to be a disaster, in my opinion. on this whole question of the indispensable nation. you know, a lot of times, those of us who work for foreign policy, we write about it. we grab these words, and the politicians grab them, and three are used in a certain way. in some ways we overinterpret them and they become almost like buzzwords depending on who's using them they mean certain things. so sometimes the indispensable nation is used interchangeably request gchomogeny. i'm pretty pragmatic when it comes to whether america is dispensable or not. what other nation can perform the tasks that we perfo

margimagine his problems facing libya and what he has to deal with. all of us have to stand by the egyptians and him because he has so much on his plate. when i worry about my challenges and i think of what he has to go through... >> charlie: i want to turn to israeli-palestinian issues, but before that, the refugee question. you have a,million 1/2 refugees. >> we have 1.5 million refugees. over 20% of our population in a year and a half, almost 90% outside refugee camps. only a very small portion in the refugee camps, the rest across the country. eth affected our schooling ti system, healthcare. the schools are going back to double shifts to take care of them. >> charlie: what's the economic measurement of this? >> well, your country has been so gracious and so ma magnanimos in helping us out with its aid program, so, please, my appreciation to the united states. i wish the rest of the international community could be as helpful. but with this year's budget, the donor aid only covers something like 29%. so we still have a shortfall of $1.9 billion ju

how much of is the threat in libya? is there a real risk that shad and niger could be impacted by the fighting. >> well, they've already been impacted by the fighting, and it does more than pose a military problem particularly given the most phenomenon that we're facing in africa, levant and iraq. it is around the ideas of how do you manage and control your borders. as we take a look, we saw the problems that were facing niger, chad, and maully, which has been worst effected in the last two years. when we look at these kinds of issues today the problem and the threat over unchristianing all the kind of local services that has been done there have been done in ineffective ways. >> whose responsibility is it to sort this out? >> well, it's the international community, libyans, and libyan government, and in that respect having an international arbitor, not to be so clumsy and heavy handed, think of this in terms of military solution, violence at this stage is not going to improve the lives. in that respect you have to unde

also coming up on the program, a battle in bolivi libya. fighters die at the border of tunisia.nd south sudan one year on, we report from a city slowly recovering after a civil war that killed thousands. >> we start this news hour in australia's largest city sydney. where the time is 4:00 in the morning on tuesday. police say 16-hour hostage crisis is now over. in the last few minutes they stormed the cafe in sydney central business district where an armed man was holding several people hostage. these are live pictures coming to us live from sydney. >> reporter: hostages take the moment and run for their lives. moments later police stormed the central sydney cafe. one officer appears to throw a stun grenade. in the crack what was either gunfire or explosions. per madics were already there and quickly ran towards the building. one woman could be seen carried out. the seen began monday morning rush hour. >> shpolice arrived very quickly, and she was telling hem that she had gone it go inside the cafe, and the automatic glass sliding doors that normally allow you to go in the cafe

libya dawn wants to secure it before moving on to libya's other main oil ports.hting around the terminals has cause oil production to fall by a third and put libya's only significant source of revenue under threat. >> sudan is defending its decision to expel two senior u.n. officials saying they were unfairly criticizing the government's policies. it comes as sudan butts head with u.n. peacekeeping mission in darfur. here's what that mean, the u.n. wants to investigate possible war crimes there. 745million people have been forced to leave their homes. >>> and now coming up on al jazeera america a memorial for a slain new york city police officer amid the tension following a series of police-related killings and the protests that followed. >> police officers gather for a slain police officer. a wake was held for rafael ramos. he and his partner was killed last saturday while sitting in a patrol car in brooklyn. his partner's funeral will be tomorrow. >> it's horrific. it's the assassination of an officer, it's unspeakable unheard of. just given the climate of what

they're not just in libya, they control an entire province in libya. and unlike iraq or syria, they have no one to fight there. there is no government to push back against them. they're already implementing a court system. they're already implementing their laws and enforcing them. they're implementing basically the outlines of a real government in an entire province in libya where they're completely unchallenged. it's not outside the realm of the possible that in short order and faster than the ability of this committee to come back together, have a debate, bring a vote, take it to the floor, have it pass out of somewhere else, as well. it is quite possible they could shift many of their operations to a safe haven such of that. especially we've identified safe havens in writing in law. which is the biggest concern that we should have, this is a situation that has the potential to develop much faster than any language we could craft a deal with it. the second problem we have with it is success in this endeavor and everybody in this committee i would ho

libya has had two governments and parliament's completing for legitimacy and control.august former rebels known as the shield of libya, which backs the general national congress controlled the capitol, tripoli. and forced the internationally recognized new government and parliament to reteat to the east. but in the november the country's supreme court invalue lated the election of the parliament citing violations of libya's constitution. previous u.n. efforts to get peace talks started have failed. it is not clear if other powerful militias are invited to the new peace talks. some suggest without them the talks will fail. >> translator: the revolutionaries are an integral part in this situation. if they are excluded, it will complicate the situation. >> reporter: the political crisis, and the in-fighting have left many people dead. the u.n. says 120,000 people have been forced to leave their homes. >>> plenty more still ahead on the news hour for you, including stopping the illegal weapons trade. a global treaty has come into place, but can it work. >>> and the allies

the same thing happened in libya. and now libya is in chaos. our intervention there was not followed up on. and it was a disaster. on this whole question of the indispensable nation, those of us that work in foreign-policy. in some ways, we over interpret them. they become almost like buzz words. so sometimes, the indispensable nation is used interchangeably with hegemony or used interchangeably with american leadership. and each one of us here probably has a very different definition of what each one of those things means. for example, i'm pretty pragmatic about whether america is dispensable or not. the question is, what other nation could perform the task that we perform in the world but us? just as a matter of fact, we are indispensable. there is an overaggressive foreign-policy where we would be hegemonic and all these other things. i think that sometimes the example of the iraq war with respect to germany and france not following the iraq war is used as a case example of this. i was at the state department. at the time, i look at the u.n.

the battle in libya. major disruptions in del jim as labor union--in belgium labor unions strike. >> we begin this news hour in australia's largest city sydney, where the time is now 2:00 in the morning. a hostage take who are has been named abeen--a hostage taker who has been named . >> the new south wales parliament was evacuated as well as the supreme court building. other major buildings nearby include the world famous sydney opera house around 200 meters away. we have live pictures coming to us from sydney. the police are guarding that entrance to the cafe. andrew thomas has the latest. >> they're saying that the name of the hostage taker is man haron monis. he is an iranian immigrant to australia. he has in the past been convicted of sending hate letters to families of dead soldiers killed in afghanistan. more recently he has been charged with the murder of his ex-wife, and he has also been charged with a number of sexual crimes that date back about a deck kate. now i say it's unconfirmed as to whet

libya has had two governments and parliaments competing for legitimacy and control. in august former rebels known as the shield of libya which backs the outgoing national congress control the capitol. it forced the internationally recognized new parliament and government to retreat to the eastern city of tibruk. but in november the supreme court valle validated the government citing violence against the constitution. peace talks have failed, and it is not clear if other powerful militias are invited to the peace talks. some suggest without them the talks will fail. >> the evolutionaries are an integral part of this equation. without them i don't see the talks will succeed. if they are excluded it will complicate the situation. >> reporter: the political crisis and in-fighting has left many people dead. the u.n. said 120,000 people have been forced to leave their homes. al jazeera. >> now, a cycle of violence is unfolding in northeastern india where at least 60 people have been killed by gunmen. the murders took place in two villages. the attacks were carried out by t

>> guest: benghazi, libya. that night i was out having dinner with the people we had to meet that night and talk to. where just about wraps it up when i got a call from tyrone woods on a cell phone and he said we need to get back to the nx as quick as possible. there's something going on. there's trouble at the consulate. >> we remembered the military? spirea bear? >> guest: we were both private military contractors, contracted that the united states government to protect case officers while they go about doing their job. >> host: kris paronto, where we do that night? >> guest: as the cia annex. i was on the quick reaction force in talent and basically i was standing by, waiting for him to come back so we could call it a night. it was basically you are on edge, but it's another normal day for us. operations going on and we're making sure our own people are supported. >> host: what was the cia annex? >> guest: it was basically a facility used to do operations of the day. >> know how far was that from where the a

libya's oil terminals aring mainly in the east of the country. men have been fighting alongside soldiers from the internationally recognized government based in tobruk. but libya is under control of two rival governments, engaged in daily fighting. own government was put in place led by omar al hassi. and in november invalidatethe election, citing violations of libya's provisional constitution. rival militias have also formed two loosely affiliated blocks. one in tobruk, and one seen as more religiously being conservative. broadly aligned with the tripoli based government. the current fighting is based around the al sidra oil terminal. libyan dawn wants to secure it before moving on to other oil ports. caused the country's oil production to fall by a third. it's also put libya's only significant source of revenue under threat. victoria gatenby, al jazeera. >>> sanctuary in a sanctuary, to avoid deportation. as courtney keely reports, local officials are closing his case. >> reporter: parishioners held a nightly vigil for he and his family. at the

>> benghazi, libya. that night, we were having dinner with people we had to meet that night and talked to. we had just about wrapped it up when i got a call from tyrone woods and he said need to get back to the annex as quickly as possible, there is something else going on, there is trouble at the confluence. >> why were you there? >> i was working as chris was, private military contractors with the united states government to protect case officers when they go about their job. >> and where were you that night? >> i was in the cia annex and i was on the reaction force in the development count and standing by waiting for him to come back. basically you are on edge but it was another normal day and making sure our people are supported. >> what was the cia and next? >> a facility that is used to do clandestine operations. >> host: how far was that from where the ambassador was? >> three quarters of a mile, not far away. >> a couple short turn that you are there. >> was it a known facility? >> in east depart

they're not just in libya, they control an entire province in libya. and unlike iraq or syria, they have no one to fight there. there is no government to push back against them. they're already implementing a court system. they're already implementing their laws and enforcing them. they're implementing basically the outlines of a real government in an entire province in libya where they're completely unchallenged. it's not outside the realm of the possible that in short order and faster than the ability of this committee to come back together, have a debate, bring a vote, take it to the floor, have it pass out of somewhere else, as well. it is quite possible they could shift many of their operations to a safe haven such of that. especially we've identified safe havens in writing in law. which is the biggest concern that we should have, this is a situation that has the potential to develop much faster than any language we could craft a deal with it. the second problem we have with it is success in this endeavor and everybody in this committee i would ho

and the battle for control over libya's biggest oil terminals. in sport, chelsea continue to set the pace in the english premier league. details of their game, plus the rest of friday's matches coming up. ♪ >>> pakistani security forces say they have killed the man behind last week's school attack. 132 children died when taliban fighters stormed the school. >> translator: the dead terrorist has been identified as the most wanted [ inaudible ]. the same was saadam, he was the commander of [ inaudible ] gator group. he was the most wanted and dangerous terrorist. he was the master mind in many terrorist attacks. saadam has been blamed to be involved in recent attack on the school. he was the [ inaudible ]. the intelligence agencies are investigating this. >>> staying in pakistan, two separate u.s. drone strikes have killed seven people in the north near the afghan border. the identities of the victims are still unknown. >>> to russia now, and president vladimir putin has signed a new military doctrine, it cites nato's military expansion as one of t

. >> alaska the over arching question of libya -- i'm asking the overarching question of libya. what lessons have you learned from that adventure in libya? i think you hearken back to -- you break it, you own it. we did such a light thing. we never owned it. we just broke in. it is sad. you're going to go in to a nation like this, i don't think we should. i didn't understand what our national interests were there. i thought the legal argument that was forth by the state weak.ment was incredibly i think our desire for these countries to spring from nowhere , i think we have learned that it doesn't exist. >> that is the lesson from iraq? >> that is the lesson. the way we wish things to be is not the way that it is. we have learned a great deal from iraq and libya. let me turn to russia. the ruble is plummeting. the pipeline had to be canceled. the economy is going into a recession. oil prices are dropping. is this going to make putin moderate, aggressive, or go the other way? be morenk it's going to aggressive. the speech he gave this week was more strident than any talks he has g

we've been giving money to libya, promising to give money 0 libya, if -- a big if -- they wep with the benghazi investigation. there are provisos. even without that, so much of our aid is wasted ed td to cor politicians who send it off to switzerland. >> you could be more -- >> i don't think. when has that ever been successful? >> measure to my competition. how about corruption? if you're low on corruption, a better chance of -- >> who is not -- who is low in corruption? put it in a positive way, in this world today? you're never going to find a way of keeping the corrupt people from getting their hands off this money. >> the ones low in corruption quite simply don't need foreign aid. >> good point. >> we keep talking about funding countries that are corrupt and it's achieving nothing. i don't see why the american workers should suffer reduced economic growth so a that we can fund corrupt politicians around the world. >> rich, it's like what we were saying before about natural gas in the united states. you know, the market knows how to deal with things. the market -- the good market co

eight of libya's neighbors are meeting in khartoum. they're expected to discuss proposals to stop all groups fighting in libya. >>> the top law enforcer in the u.s. said that there will be an investigation in the death of an african-american man who died while being arrested in new york city. wednesday a grand jury did not charge the policeman over eric garner's death, a death seen on videotape. reports that that decision sparked protest and a note that some viewers may find these images disturbing. >> eric garner is suspected of selling loose cigarettes on the street, a crime in new york. the police claim no chokehold was used, and garner was never in distress. the video shows that is not true. he repeats this cry several times and then garner falls still. the coroner decide stated his death was by chokehold. his family condemns the decision of no indictment. >> my husband's death will not be in vain. as long as i have a breath in my body i will fight the fight to the end. thank you. >> reporter: garner shooting happened just weeks be

of the decision to intervene in libya. in particular, i disapprove of intervening in libya without having any plan for what followed. st. augustine taught us that the purpose of a war is to build a better piece. don't fight the war if you don't have a plan to build a better piece that follows and if you don't understand it, that is a generational task and it will require american. on the ground for a generation. sometimes it is worth it. if you were brutally attacked from afghanistan by al qaeda and the taliban won't hand them over you have a responsibility to overthrow the taliban and having overthrown it a responsibility to create a better country fare that will never again harbor international terror. but that is the only war of the 21st century that i believe was necessary until now, this third war in iraq. >> let's go way back, how about the gentleman who is standing there. go-ahead. >> thanks for being here. i am the marine fellow at cnas this year. i am curious about your thoughts as to how adequately positioned our

what is the return of supply in libya is one of the things -- >> yes, the return of supply in libya ist us to where we are today. that the progress could be reversed as something analysts are watching very closely. >> will opec come in and intervene and help support these prices by cutting production? >> that is certainly what a lot of people were expecting opec to do last month, which they didn't, and that has sent prices down. but there is some speculation that they would not spend prices -- send prices down even if they wanted to. first, would the weaker members of opec actually stick to that production target? and would higher prices just encourage shale producers to pump more and more and continue to push prices back down. >> will global demand recover? i guess that is the question. >> the question is, where will the demand come from? it is pretty elastic. you and i don't go out and drive more when gas prices fall. we spend money on other stuff like business gifts. -- christmas gifts. but in other parts of the world where oil is used for more industrial uses and generally economic

this report is by kim vinnell. >> smoke rises over western libya. the sound of air strikes echos for kilometres. the battle is most feaierce, cle to the border with tunisia. the group aligned. not sided with the former general. on the other side the forces of libyan dawn, a loose coalition of militias, associated with the military-based government. >> today we lost 14 fighters, that they targeted a residential area, we managed to repel the ground forces back to the area >>> with the country awash with powerful militia, and rival governments in tunisia and tobruk, likia is in a state of law -- libya is in a state of lawlessness. the militants are advancing on the biggest oil terminal. fighting in this region forced the nearby terminal to close. >> translation: the attack on the oil region shows that libyan dawn wants to be in charge of oil resources that it needs to sponsor terrorist oppositions, just like other terrorist groups have done in other parts of the world. >> complicating matters, the group has established a council in the city. it plans t

but libya is an absolute disaster. you had gaddafi, a secular tatar, -- dictator but you had , some stability in libya. now that he's gone, our ambassador is assassinated. in the last month or two, our embassy has fled into tunisia. libya is now chaotic. there are jihadist groups running amok. i think we are more at risk now than we were before. but to those republicans who love a republican intervention, iraq is worse off now. do you think we are better or worse off with hussein gone? there was more stability under hussein. i am not saying i would support him or give him money, but there was more stability under hussein. and iraq was a bullwark against iran. you had check and balance over there. you had somewhat of a geopolitical stalemate. now, we topple hussein, iraq is a huge mess. and i think will be a huge mess for the time foreseeable. a year ago, many on the side of intervention wanted to bomb assad. and i opposed bombing assad, and we did not do it. but had we bombed a side a year ago, who do you think would b

. >> al: let me ask you about libya. the house intelligence committee issued another report on benghazi, chairman mike rogers. should the next congress continue to find out what happened in benghazi or do we we know enough now? >> so the intelligence committee has issued a report and a i think the defense, the armed services committee has issued a report, and i think the focus has sort of swung around to the state department which is the area, obviously, that foreign relations committee oversees. i had a discussion on the floor just in the last couple of days where this issue's come up, and there are some that are talking about a select committee being created. i'm still looking at that and trying to learn what is best, and i have to tell you i'm not -- >> al: security lapses? that is true. there were security lapses, and there were cables from our great ambassador seeking additional security, and i think there is legitimate concern how in the chain of command something like this in a place like benghazi which basically

as faja libya to isil. it also says they're trying to take over oil fields to fund terrorist activities. the accusation following the closure of the two biggest oil ports due to intense fighting. libya has seen instability with groups loyal to the 2002 rival governments battling for control. >>> a former u.s. vice president, dick cheney, has again defended interrogation techniques the cia used during his time in office. on a u.s. news show he made no determinations. our correspondent joins us now from new york. hi there, kristen. so he's certainly standing in a defensive position despite what the report says? >> reporter: that's right. vice president dick cheney and other bush era former officials made the rounds on the talk shows here in the united states. they're having to answer some tough questions, though, after more details from that detailed 500-page report of the senate has come to light. we're hearing more about the techniques used by the cia including waterboarding, hanging people by their wrists,