we've seen other nations libya iraq egypt where there have been destabilizeed regimes secular leaders who have been replaced by fundamentalists and tourists that have now been franchised almost across the world. what would happen if iran was destabilized in the same way? >> you know, congressman, it's very hard for me to get into the speculative game here. and there is too much talk about the military option this and that when we have in front of us a plan that accomplishes the task of not having a nuclear weapon in iran which they say they don't want anyway, it seems that to be focused on the destabilized side of it, and the military side of it is not the right focus. the right focus is on this agreement that accomplishes the goal that prevents them from having a weapon. now the region is obviously destabilized. that's another reason why i think we should think carefully about the consequences of turning away from this deal. >> let me point out secretary carry, that, you know, so that i'm not coy here. i'm inclined to support the deal. but one of the questions that i have though, is

we have seen other nations -- libya, iraq, egypt >> -- where there have been destabilizing regimes. what would happen if iran was destabilized in the same way? >> you know, congressman, it is very hard for me to get into the speculated game here. when we have in front of us a plan that accomplishes the task of preventing iran from achieving a nuclear weapon, which they say they don't want to do anyway, and have made very strong agreements about their commitment not to do -- it seems to be focused on the destabilized side of it and the military side of it is not the right focus. the right focus is on this agreement, that a cop as is the goal of preventing them from having a weapon. the region is obviously destabilized and in flames. that is another reason why i think we should take really carefully about the consequences of turning away from this deal. >> let me point out, secretary kerry, so that i'm not quite -- coy here, i am inclined to support the deal. one of the questions i have here though is a big concern if we find out they are cheating. at that point a decision has to be m

we've seen other nations, libya, iraq egypt where there have been destabilized regimes, secular leaders who have been replaced by fundamentalists and terrorism that has now been franchised almost across the world. . what would happen if iran was destabilized in the same way? >> you know, congressman it's very hard for me to get into this speculative game here. there's too much talk about military option and this and that when we have in front of us a plan that accomplishes the task of preventing iran from achieving a nuclear weapon, which they say they don't want to do anyway, and have made very strong affirments about their commitment not to do. it seems to be focused on the destabilized side of it and the military side of it is not the right focus. the right focus is on this agreement that accomplishes the goal of preventing them from having a weapon. the region is obviously destabilized, in flames and that's another reason why i think we should think really carefully about the consequences of turning away from this deal. >> i guess, let me point out, secretary kerry, that you know i'

developments and is there a comparison between egypt and countries like libya and iraq and syria, is egypt headed down that path? >> there is elements of that comparison. what happened after july 2015 is that the arms entered into politics. rather than managing the political constitution via votes and courts it entered with the bullets, and the message sent was the bullet mattered more than ballots, and have you this escalation since then. the escalation in sinai happened earlier, is at an unpress tented level. this is egypt's most armed actor that egypt ever had. you have the capacity of an organizations to have the heavy artillery, guiding anti-missiles and anti-aircraft guided missiles attacking targets, and retreating to its hyde outside. this can, of course develop into a larger case you know a second scenario with the libyan and syria, what they are facing. >> having said that when the egyptian media reports that the government will amend egypt's laws to speed up to prosecute, imprison and execute terrorist activities in the country, are they rite. >> the problem is that the leg

we've seen other nations, libya, iraq egypt where there have been destabilized regimes, secular leaders who have been replaced by fundamentalists and terrorism that has now been franchised almost across the world. . what would happen if iran was destabilized in the same way? >> you know, congressman it's very hard for me to get into this speculative game here. there's too much talk about military option and this and that when we have in front of us a plan that accomplishes the task of preventing iran from achieving a nuclear weapon, which they say they don't want to do anyway, and have made very strong affirments about their commitment not to do. it seems to be focused on the destabilized side of it and the military side of it is not the right focus. the right focus is on this agreement that accomplishes the goal of preventing them from having a weapon. the region is obviously destabilized, in flames and that's another reason why i think we should think really carefully about the consequences of turning away from this deal. >> i guess, let me point out, secretary kerry, that you know i'

region, that is simply going to be money in the bank for them to continue their terrorism in libya, iran, iraq, egypt, on and on and on. the republican senator from nebraska is the first to issue a statement. he said, sadly the administration just lit a fuse for a nuclear arm race in the middle east. we all know iran's neighbors will not sit idly as the world's largest state sponsor of terror becomes a nuclear threshold state. it usa lor -- it allows for a more controlled proceed live rags in a more dangerous world. also, we're going to be hearing from the president of the united states at 7:00 a.m. this morning. it's a pool situation, so i don't think he's going to be taking questions on this. we'll be hearing from him at 7:00. >> if he does take questions, ask away. >>> trust and verify. the big question is do you trust, iran? i don't. >> why would you? >> they wanted to blow up israel for a long time. the trust but verify, we would like to verify, are they bluing up nuclear weapons. >> we know there will be some heads up there, so iran potentially could say, okay, we're going -- you are coming to

we see egypt, libya and iraq and the wars that are going on there and we don't want this to happen inrea. >> reporter: although american jets have been helping the kurds win territory from isis in syria, u.s. officials now say they support turkey's strikes against kurdish targets. turkey's involvement in the war against isis could prove a crucial turning point in u.s.- led coalition efforts to destroy the group. opening a new fighting front against kurds in the region simultaneously, will change the delicate balance of alliances in an already complex war. >> ifill: i spoke to jane ferguson a short time ago. jane, we're talking now about an i.s.i.l, i.s.i.s.-free zone along the border now. why is it turkey is interested in this now? >> well, turkey is under increasing pressure. the turkish president is under pressure from its own population to do something about i.s.i.s. and not be seen a being soft on terror. violence has shocked turkey in the last week. what's complicated issues for the turkish government is there are so many kurdish rebels on the syrian side of the border. those reb

. >> you have iraq syria egypt and libya. if this were going around the curve here you look at jordan our ally and israel our ally. if they are going after hamas, these are islamist who feel other radicals are not quite tough enough not quite brutal enough to be in their club now they are going to go after hamas and say you are out of here. we are the top islamic group and you better be as brutal as we are. what happens when something hits israel in the course of the battle? >> i think the hamas groups want that. they are not at risk of being removed but there is a risk of isis-affiliated folks firing hamas and firing rockets and instigating that battle. you have folks that don't recognize the modern nation state, they don't recognize all of the formations. they believe in a worldwide caliphate. our allies in egypt and jordan, you know why they are not banding together to fight isis? because we are at the table trying to negotiate with iran and codify a bomb with their enemies without understanding the consequences of what th

i think the easier test case, like tunisia -- i would say even today, egypt is much easier than, say, libya yemen certainly iraq, syria. that in the short run figuring out if there's a practical way for the two countries to actually resolve its stated interests and then its stated program for the region i would apply it to those countries like tunisia, like egypt where there's a greater sense of basic stability. and not to those tough cases like libya or yemen. i think it's really hard on iraq and syria, as we saw. many people put forward including china a peace plan for syria. it just hasn't worked. the u.s. i think has a -- the difference of approaches of interventionism versus noninterventionism i think are easier to apply in those societies that have at least a foothold on stability. i would start in those places. first and foremost i would start with finishing the work that's been started on the iran front. >> i would just make some additional remarks. number one the belt and the road initiative i think china certainly welcomes the participation and the endorsement of the united states. the silk road exist

think the easier test case, like tunisia, and i would say even today egypt is much easier than, say, libya, yemen and certainly iraq and syria that in the short run figuring out if there's a practical way for the two countries to actually resolve its stated interests and then its stated program for the region. i would apply it to those countries like tunisia, like egypt where there's a greater sense of basic stability and not to those tough cases like libya or yemen. i think it's really hard on iraq and syria as we saw. many people put forward including china a peace plan for syria and it just hasn't work eded the difference of approaches of interventionism versus non-interventionism is easier to supply on societies that have a foothold on stability. i would start in those places but first and foremost i would start with finishing the work that's been started on the iran front. >>> this weekend on the c-span networks, politics books and american history. saturday morning on c-span startingstart ing at 9:45, the governors address the nation's opioid crisis with guests mary bono. later the governors will discuss how

the easier test case like tunisia, even today egypt is much easier than libya, yemen and certainly iraq and syria. in the short run figuring out if there is a practical way for the two countries to actually resolve its stated interest and its stated program for the region, i would apply it to those countries like tunisia like egypt, where there is a greater sense of basic stability and not to those tough cases like libya or yemen. i think it is really hard on iraq and syria as we saw. many have put forward a peace plan for syria. it jsust hasn't work. the difference of approaches of interventionism and noninterventionalism are easier to apply in the societies that after i foot hold on stability. i would start in those places and first and foremost, i would start with finishing the work that's been started on the iran front. >> i want to just make some additional remarks. number one the belt and the road initiative, i think china certainly welcomes participation. and endorsement of the united states. the silk road existed almost 2000 years ago but the name of silk road was not created by

egypt. isil has previously claimed to be behind attacks in iraq syria, france kuwait tunisia and libya. today's bombing comes in spite of steady military pressure on the group in sanai. isil claims it detonated a parked car bomb with more than 900 pounds of explosives and they urge urged muslims to avoid high target areas. >> the roar of the explosion rip he would across cairo. the blast happened right outside the italian consulate damaging the building. within minutes, people had gathered at the scene. >> i live in the neighborhood and was sleeping. at 6:30 a.m. we heard a big explosion. we woke up in shock. all of the windows had been broken in the house. parts of the building fell on top of people and injured them. we went outside and the air was full of dust. we stayed for 10 minutes until we were able to see the ditch. the explosion also ruptured underground pipes, flooding the area. it's still unclear who is behind the attack which witnesses say was caused by a car bomb. the tactic is becoming familiar. last monday egypt's prosecutor general was assassinated, also in a car bomb al

trying to retake as many communities, both in syria and iraq as possible as well as trying to extend its influence to other places notably to egypt and libya the defense secretary stressed as well as the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, general martin dempsey, that it's not a matter of the u.s. military trying to resolve the problem or the threat of isil that it really comes down to what the iraqi military is willing to do and what moderate syrian opposition fighters inside that country are willing to do as well. >> that's interesting, because we have learned a little more detail about what the u.s. is doing with regard to the situation in syria. because of course there has been a huge amount of ambivalence, hasn't there, as to how to approach the difficulty of syria. >> reporter: that's right. because one the u.s. has said time and again that it's not going to deploy any u.s. ground forces inside syria, because it does not have a working relationship with the syrian government. there are diplomatic relations, but all for intents and purposes the u.s. and syria aren't talking to other. so the problem is the u.s. is trying to train me

iraq is struggling to try to hold itself together. libya has come apart. yemen is obviously unlikely to ever be completely whole again. egypt always been kind of the core. egypt is a pillar. if instability were to come to dominate egypt, it would basically affect the whole area. certainly affects north africa. because egypt is a pillar and it's important to us because they've been a partner on terror egypt is a linchpin in any way many ways. so we need egypt to succeed. the last thing that we or anybody else or the middle east can afford to see is egypt to unravel. i don't believe it will. but i do think we're seeing what is a kind of existential struggle. one other point on this president el sisi has significant popular support within egypt. he is seen as a bulwark against the radical islamics. he has to continue to succeed when it comes to security and he has to deliver the economic goods. that won't be easy. >> the world is hopeful. great to talk to you, thank you. >> my pleasure. >>> somebody is cutting internet cables in northern california and causing blackouts. it's confirmed from the fbi the agents say they're inves

what happened in tunisia, what happened in egypt what happened in libya, what happened in syria in terms of the arab spring could have easily happened in iraq. in other words saddam's people would say we want you to go away. he might have a country that has these weapons of mass distraction i have that have the same instability today that libya has. so you can't look back and say that if we hadn't done this that iraq would look like this today. it could easily look like this today with nuclear weapons. >> one of the things you talk about that connects benghazi and iraq war was the politicalization of intelligence by the administrations in power at the time. one democrat, one republican. in fact with regard to the lead-up to the iraq war you wrote about scooter libby who worked for vice president cheney. libby's attempt to intimidate a cia official with the most blatant to politicize intelligence that i saw on the 34 years in the business and it would not be the last. what impact is this politicizing of intelligence happening and doesn't this disport what -- distorts the cia is doing? >> this is what it is. >> this is really important. remem

the lack of bay coherent strategy from libya egypt nigeria and through afghanistan were a was last weekend. it certainly is not iraq but the parallels are familiar. the united states is contemplating a drastic reduction that places arabesque so while they are improving in quality they still miss the same capabilities the iraqis were missing when the u.s. withdrew 2011 with a special operations that the current pace our military commanders knew these capabilities will remain undeveloped at the end of 2016 when president obama has announced coalition forces will dramatically downsize to a presence so the in kabul. we have seen this before and if we make the same mistakes we should expect similar tragic results provided not want to attend another hearing like this with successors to figure out a strategy to clean up after avoidable mistakes that means you must provide commanders on the ground with those capabilities to help the afghan partners to seek your the terrorist enemies together isil is not 10 feet tall but that will never happen if we do leader sells about the current campaign the president is on end of the t

iraq and syria, by the way. let's start with yemen, libya, and even in states with a strong government or strong in a certain way. think egypt. we have terror attacks going on. just another comment about the u.s. they only have to be lucky once and we're not going to be right 100% of the time which is still to applaud the amazingly competent efforts of the fbi and state and local law enforcement over the weekend and every day day, but then we have to add to the neo nazi groups and white supremacy groups that are now doing the same thing, recruiting on the web, and following these tactics. this maybook could be used by a long of strains and deranged people inside our country. i just applaud the fbi and local law enforcement. >> i would also add, jake we look at what happened in kuwait city just a few weeks ago. >> the car bulk? . >> the bomb in the mosque. where there's destabilization, there's the rich soil for these groups to grow but the fact they can reach out and touch people in civilized -- not just third-world cities but any place in the world, again in paris, that's where they're most effective in causing terror and t

iraq. they still control mosul and syria. they also have a strong position and recently took patrol of palmyra and they are expanding in egypt and libyancerned about libya right now. of course that gunman in that beach attack just a few days ago in tunisia is said by the tunisians to have trained in libya. >> phil, many say the u.s. has to do more. you don't agree with that? >> no, i don't buy that. there's a confusion as to whether we want to support an iraqi government. we don't want to see isis roll through bigger portions of iraq. that's different rather than isis poses a threat to new york or washington. i think people say we need to defeat isis and therefore we need to do more. i disagree. we don't need to defeat isis. we need to contain them and i think we are doing okay. >> paul thank you so much. phil really appreciate it. >>> in other news is the optimism for a nuclear deal with iran fading? what secretary of state john kerry said that has some people wondering. i'm caridee. i've had moderate to severe plaque psoriasis most of my life. but that hasn't stopped me from modeling. my doctor told me about stelara® it helps keep m

iraq and syria, ideology poses a great threat beyond the region. we've seep deadly attacks in tunisia, kuwait and egypt's sinai peninsula. we see growing isil presence in libya and attempts to establish foot holds across north africa, the middle east, the caucus us and southeast asia. we've seen talks in ottawa, sidney, front and copenhagen. i've called on the international community to unit against this scourge of violent extremism. in this fight, the united states leads. when necessary to prevent attacks against our nation, we'll take direct action against terrorists. we'll continue to also partner with nations from afghanistan and nigeria to build up their security forces. we're going to work day and night with allied partners to disrupt partners and for attacks and to smother isil cells which may be trying to develop in other parts of the world. this includes remaining vigilant in protecting against attacks here in the homeland. now i think it's important for us to recognize the threat of violent extremism is not restricted to any one community. here in the united states with that we've seen all kinds of homegrown terrorism and tragically recent history

resulted in the spread of isis around the world to libya, egypt, nigeria, and even to afghanistan, where i visited last weekend. afghanistan is certainly not iraq, but the parallels are eerily familiar. as in iraq, the united states is thinking a drastic reduction of forces that places at risk the hard-won gains in the last decade. while they are improving in quality, they are still missing the key capabilities the iraqis were missing when the u.s. withdrew in 2011, including intelligence, aviation, special operations, and logistic capabilities. at the current pace, our military commanders know these capabilities will remain critically undeveloped at the end of 2016, what president obama has announced that u.s. and coalition forces will dramatically downsized to a presence solely in kabul we have seen this movie before. if we make the same mistakes, we should expect similarly tragic results. i do not want to attend another hearing like this with your successors, try to figure out a strategy to cleanup of avoidable mistakes. what that means is that the president must provide our commanders on the ground with necessary forces, capabilities and au

resulted in the spread of isil around the world, to libya, egypt, nigeria, and even to afghanistan where i visited last weekend. afghanistan is certainly not iraq. but the parallels are eerily familiar. as in iraq, the united states is contemplating a drastic reduction in force presence that places at risk the hard won gains of the last decade while afghanistan security forces are improving in quality, they're still missing the same set of key capabilities the iraqis were missing when the u.s. withdrew in 2011 including intelligence aviation, special operations, and logistic capabilities. at the current pace, our military commanders know these capabilities will remain critically undoefrlds at the end of 2016 when president obama has announced that u.s. and coalition forces will dramatically downsize to a presence solery in kabul. we have seen this movie before. and if we make the same mistakes, we should expect similarly tragic results. i do not want to attend another hearing like this with your successors trying to figure out a strategy to clean up after avoidable mistakes. what that means is, that the president must provide our commanders on

iraq might be true because they've lost about 10% of their land from january until now. but at the same time they're gaining land, in libya and in afghanistan, and in parts of egypt sinai peninsuland a killing militants they're gaining recruits and where we're trying to hit them in the pocket they're gaining more from banks their lewding and oil sales. so we have to understand where their power is coming from meaning on the recruitment level on monetary, military level on the battlefield. kurds are doing a fabulous job need to support them. : here's the thing lisa and i'll just ask you about this senator brown. we know where their money comes from, and a we understand how they recruit we know all of their escape routs. bottom line is if we don't have the political will, this is something that haunts america in the west and the world for years to come to lisa's point i've already given up on a notion that perhaps this administration will be willing to do the right thing. but how important is it that the next administration steps up to the plate? >> well, charles if you're asking me, it is huge ting this administration based on folks that work for him have missteps, calculation a

iraq and syria isil ideology posed a great threat beyond the region. we've seen deadly attacks in tunisia, kuwait and egypt's sinai peninsula. we see a growing isil presence in libyaempts to establish foot holds across north africa, the middle east the caucuses and southeast asia. we've seen attacks in ottawa, sidney, france and copenhagen. so i've called on the international community to unite against this scourge of violent extremism. in this fight the united states continues to lead. when necessary to prevents attacks against our nation, we'll take direct action against terrorists. we'll continue to also partner with nations from afghanistan and nigeria to build up their security forces. we're going to workday and night with allies and partners to disrupt terrorist networks and thwart attacks and to some other isil cells that may be trying to develop in other parts of the world. this includes remaining vigilant in protecting against attacks here in the homeland. now, i think it's important for us to recognize the threat of violent extremism is not restricted to any one community. here in the united states we've seen all kinds of home grown terrorism and tragica

iraq and syria. a lack of a coherent strategy has resulted in the spread of isil around the world. to libya, egypt, nigeria and even to afghanistan where i visited last weekend. there are troops that are supporting our afghan partners in sustaining a sustainable and democratic future, but even as isil and the taliban threaten this future the president remains committed to the drastic reduction in the u.s. presence at the end of 2016. before the afghan government and security forces are fully capable of operating effectively without our support. this would create a security vacuum and we have seen what fills similars kinds of vacuum. given your experience, we will be interested to hear your thoughts about the appropriate u.s. and coalition presence going forward. meanwhile, iran continues to threaten peace and stability across the middle east. through its support of terrorist proxies, pursuit of nuclear weapons and the missiles needed to deliver them to targets far beyond its shores. in europe vladimir putin's russia continues its onslaught in ukraine but even as russian troops and equipment execut

iraq and syria. the lack of a coherent strategy has resulted in the spread of isil around the world to libya egypt, nigeria and even to afghanistan where i visited last weekend. there our troops are supporting or afghan partners in establishing a democratic future. but even as isil and the taliban threaten this future, the president remains committed to a drastic reduction of the presence in 2016 before the afghan security forces are fully capable of operating effectively without our support. this would create a security vacuum and we have seen what fills similar kinds of vacuums in syria and aook rap given your experience in afghanistan, general dunford we'll be interested to hear your thoughts about the appropriate u.s. and coalition presence going forward. meanwhile iran continues to threaten peace and stability across the middle east through its support of terrorist problem sises, pursuit of nuclear weapons and development of the missiles needed to delivered them to targets far beyond itself shores. in europe vladimir putn't' russia continues its onslaught. but even as they execute that campaign to und

iraq. the lack of a coherent strategy has resulted in the spread of isil around the world in libya egypt, nigeria and even to afghanistan where i visited last weekend. supporting our partners in sustaining a stable and democratic future, but even as iso-threatens the future -- isil threatens the future, the president remains committed to a reduction in troops before they are fully capable of operating without our support. this would create a security vacuum and we have seen what fills similar kinds of vacuums in syria and iraq. given your experience in afghanistan, we be interested to hear your thoughts about the appropriate u.s. and coalition presents going forward. meanwhile, iran continues to threaten peace and stability across the middle east and development of the missiles needed to deliver them to targets far beyond its shores. in europe, vladimir putin's russia continues its onslaught of ukraine, but even as russian weapons and equipment execute this neo-campaign, united states has refused the ukraine weapons it needs and deserves for its defense. in the asia-pacific, china is continuing i

iraq and syria, isil theology poses a great threat beyond the region. we've seen deadly attacks in tunisia, kuwait and egypt's sinai peninsula, a growing presence in libyas across north africa south asia attacks in ottowa sydney france and copenhagen. i called on the international community to unite against this scourge of extremism. the united states continues to lead. when necessary to prevent attacks against our nation we'll take direction action against terrorists. we'll continue to also partner with nations from afghanistan and nigeria. we'll workday and night with allies and partners to disrupt networks and thwart attacks and smother nascent cells that may be trying to develop in other parts of the world. this includes remaining vigilant protecting against attacks here at the homeland. i think it's important for us to recognize the threat of violent extremism is not restricted to any one community. here in the united states we've seen all kinds of home-grown terrorism and tragically recent history reminds us how a single individual motivated by a hateful ideology can inflict tremendous harm on americans. our efforts to counter violent extremism mu

resulted in the spread of isis around the world to libya, egypt, nigeria, and even to afghanistan, where i visited last weekend. afghanistan is certainly not iraq, but the parallels are eagerly familiar. as in iraq, the united states is thinking a drastic reduction of forces that places at risk the hard-won gains in the last decade. while they are improving quality, they are still missing the key capabilities the iraqis were missing when the u.s. withdrew in 2011, including intelligence, aviation, special operations, and logistic capabilities. at the current pace, our military commanders know these capabilities will remain critically undeveloped at the end of 2016, what president obama has announced that u.s. and coalition forces will dramatically downsized to a presence solely in kabul we have seen this movie before. . if we make the same mistakes, we should expect similarly tragic results. i do not want to attend another hearing like this with your successors, try to figure out a strategy to cleanup of avoidable mistakes. what that means is that the president must provide our commanders on the ground with necessary forces, capabilities and au

iraq and syria isis poses a threat beyond the region obviously. we have seen deadly attacks in kuwait egypt and other places and we see a growing presence in libya and establishing foothold in north africa middle east, and southeast asia. i have called on the international community to unite against the extremism in the fight the united states continues to lead. when necessary to prevent attacks against our nation, we will continue to partner with nations from afghanistan and nigeria to build up their security forces and work day and light with allies and partners to disrupt terrorist networks and stop attacks and smother cells of isis that may be developing in other parts of the world. this realso means remaining vigilant to prevent attacks against the homeland. the threat of violent extremism is not restricted to one community. here in the united states we have seen all kinds of home-grown terrorism and even a single individual with access to dangerous weapon with inflict harm on americans. so our efforts to counter violent extremism must not cover any group because of their fath and background. that said we also have to acknowledge that isil has