the ordinary libyan guys and big guys the ordinary libyan guys in tripoli and ordinary libyan guys and desert living with that right and these are very different ways of living some people are happy to and i saw it physically in tripoli some people are happy to drink openly the moonshine which was absolutely prohibited in the time of warmer khadafi and some people are really happy with that fact because then favor of sharia laws and everywhere in the country some people when you talk to them and dream about so-called dubai scenario they want to see a libya as a mediterranean resort with a five star hotels because you know isn't all that stuff but some people love thinking about the purity and islamic identity some people talk about necessity of establishing the sharia law of the country and all of these lawmakers world and all over the world there are so many competing different points of view you can probably see today that you can find in libya even within one family total unanimity of views what are the chances that his son safe islam will actually get a fair trial a lot will depend

difficulties that the country faced to the west and the libyans themselves faced enormous difficulties and that in the end i think everybody agreed that the regime change was almost an inevitability well it's well into it once you say they want to once you say that when you say there's no fly zone and we see this going on now with syria he must go then it is an evident will because in the west doesn't back down and it uses force here nic if i can go to you the problem here we have here right now in building a democratic state in libya and i think everyone most everyone wants that there's no state institutions should you be building state institutions first before you start doing that are you putting the horse before the cart. well there's a terrific problem in really the world how do how do you how do you feel the government in a in a country that's really never had any experience of democracy. i have to say i was very impressed in my time on the ground in libya with the people i met i met a lot of libyans was all different social backgrounds who want democracy they believe they can bu

saying this is a legitimate government of libya when the libyans themselves in have a chance to say that if anybody even asked them. well i was in benghazi shortly after the revolution broke out and people were absolutely begging for nato to intervene before just before we're also seeing strikes because. go ahead jump in diana that's the point of the program go ahead there i mean there always you were in benghazi everybody knows that benghazi is precisely where the opposition was at what months after that you had huge demonstrations in tripoli in favor of retaining the regime or at least against the nato bombing so you can see the people there was some people that you saw that wanted this and there were others who didn't and the point is that an age old to choose to go with the ones that they knew that they were arming by the way as we find out later and the day. encouraged to revolt knowing that they could get western support ok dirk why don't you go to. very difficult to find anyone in tripoli possibly anywhere anywhere in libya now to to agree with you on that of course there were lar

crosstalk debates why the libyan militias who overthrew colonel gadhafi won't obey their new leaders talk about that after the business with dimitri now. a warm welcome to business see the devil's economic forum is displaying signs of a split personality this year the likes of the i.m.f. david cameron and george soros warning of potential catastrophes well on the other side as a number of heavyweight industrialists who think much of the rescue work has been done among them is under a course in the head of russia's second largest bank p.t.b. . but there was a practical discussions on for example the introduction of new regulations for. banks and financial sector. capital adequacy on their lives of course it will take maybe two to three years to implement it but at least there's not just a general debate some very practical things which now being discussed though there's still debate on the future of europe. a lot has been it's a lot of discussions already happened between the politicians and it looks now the common solution in a much closer that was one or two years ago the russian go

be willing to what happened to be suspect of its own investigation despite what the libyan government says and does. it's an obligation on the office of the prosecutor to investigate all aspects of the conflict at the present moment in time no one from the libyan or forty's has put forward a concrete plan for bringing let's say for example say from islam to justice and prosecuting him under the rule of law given that that's in fact the case i would have thought that the obligation rests with the office of the prosecutor to ensure that the libyan affair as i may call it investigated conduct and prosecuted before the international criminal court from your experience what can the international criminal court do if it was winning. the first of all i'm in the hands of the prosecutor at this present moment in time. one. should get victim status before. caught in the situation in the libyan situation that of course is subject to the decision of the judges then i would examine whether or not there are legal grounds for requesting the judges to intervene and to expedite the investigative proce

me investigating it i received a reply the reply was essentially that we're going to see what the libyan authorities do about it will give them about five months and by the time i make my next report to the security council we'll see what they've done. my view is that that's in fact and even it too late this is not the sort of investigation which can be put off for five months it's a complex investigation there's a need to examine the crime scene to perform forensic ballistic analysis to take evidence from objective witnesses all these sort of things have to be done it's not the sort of investigation that you can put off just for five months and see what happens is there any way that you can speed up the investigation well i can keep on writing and pestering as it were the prosecutor see how far that gets me i should herself has also made enough occasion for victims status in the situation in certain situations that. can actually give her procedural rights. examining whether or not from a legal point of view that would allow her to petition the court in order to speed up the investigativ

there are ordinary libyan guys and big guys the ordinary libyan guys in tripoli and ordinary libyan guys and desert living with that tribes and these are very different ways of living some people when you talk to them and dream about a so-called dubai scenario they want to see libya as a mediterranean resort with a five star hotels because you know isn't all that stuff but some people love thinking about the purity and islamic identity there are so many competing different points of view you can probably see today that you can find in libya even within one family total unanimity of views what are the chances that his son safe islam will actually get a fair trial a lot will depend on that that would show the new face of libya actually i think that he will be in the government and the new libyan judicial system should show that it really share is the values of human rights rule of law and democracy in the new libya and that was my message when i was talking to. the lead in tripoli on the twenty first of december i also asked him about the initiative of i.c.c. in hague to bring the cas

once should get victim status before the court in the situation in the libyan situation that of course is subject to the decision of the judges then i will examine whether or not there are legal grounds for requesting the judges to intervene and to expedite the investigative process what is your interaction with ice and how is she doing. daily interaction with her situation is not simple she is currently under some form of restriction on her freedom of association on the other hand she is grateful to the algerian authorities for offering her some form of humanitarian protection. she's been traumatized by the the murder of her brother i must add. to brutal murders which were witnessed by the whole world on various video clips she's with her mother and two brothers any sense of how they all faring well i am in contact with least one other member of the family as i said it's not easy for them on the one hand they are grateful for the humanitarian protection which has been offered them by the algerian authorities i don't know how the guests in the country by force of circumstances they don

based on the fact that the libyan. thora teams were afforded by the international criminal court to file a response to the. pre-trial train behind in the matter say from by the tenth of january. information concerning safe status and the libyan authorities intentions with respect to him polygonal forty's requested payment for filing their response security concerns my belief is that if the security concerns are so serious that they prevented the libyan authorities from filing a response to a court order then the necessary conclusion i have to draw is that the same security considerations would prevent a fair and effective trial in other words the libyan authorities should be ensuring safe is one hundred over to the hague in accordance with the arrest warrant could the fact that the whole investigation is taking so long be a red herring to make gadhafi is there to get away with us. the only person who has been seized of my request for an immediate investigation at this moment in time is the prosecutor. to question emplo

very quickly, the libyan armed forces split. the british government soon decided to send a rescue mission to the dozens of southern libya which involved raf aircraft and a couple of dozen marines. the british government shared the mission but not the commandos that were there. they amounted to three flights to take 100 grateful oil workers, 20 of them british, from libya to malta. >> when we got on the plane, two locals tried to rip the tires. the special forces challenged them to stop. fortunately, somebody brought these guys down and took them back. >> in the footage of the taxing plane, there was footage of a special operations helicopter awaiting its mission. the government decided to back the national transitional council, or the ntc, that worked for the overthrow of gaddafi. >> this is an illegitimate regime that has lost the consensus of its people. >> the next phase involves a highly sensitive unit of british special forces made up jointly sbf.e saf ansd they operate closely with mi-6. six members flew to a base near ben

always for the first time of being confronted by the libyan people who are storming their local offices and demanding more transparency demanding more accountability demanding that things be done to represent their interests all we've got from the end you see at the moment are excuses and i think a lot of people who are members of the m.t.c. i remember a lot of these before my gadhafi cronies like jilly who was the minister of justice he's now the head of the entity he was the minister of justice under gadhafi who i think basically taking an opportunist approach saying oh it's better off joining this council because you know we've got the backing of the west it's the rights horse to back during the civil war who are now being confronted with very angry libyan people who are demanding results and on table to really realize that they're not able to bring about results they're not sable to bring about the changes that they want they're not able to reflect the needs and desires of the libyan people and i think a very likely want to want to disappear off and actually not really take on the r

the obligation rests with the office of the prosecutor to ensure that the libyan affair as i may call it investigated the conduct and prosecuted before the international criminal court for your experience what can the international criminal court in doing if it was willing. for good first of all i'm in the hands of the prosecutor at this present moment in time. once should get victim status before the court in the situation in the libyan situation that of course is subject to the decision of the judges then i would examine whether or not there are legal grounds for requesting the judges to intervene and to expedite the investigative process what is your interaction with and how is she doing. daily interaction with her. situation is not simple she is currently under some form of restriction on her freedom of association on the other hand she is grateful to the algerian authorities for offering her some form of humanitarian protection. she's really traumatized by the murder of her brother i must add. to brutal murders which were witnessed by the whole world on various video clips she's

people and the sentence is out of the libyan though they think that the crimes that he has committed once sentence the i.c.c. in the rest of the international community really want that to happen. well i don't think they would want that to happen they actually want him to be tried at the i.c.c. because we want to redress some of the lack of credibility of the i.c.c. and the current prosecute. i think mr boyd has done the course disservice i think the incoming prosecutor would want to restore some of this credibility to the i.c.c. but i think at the end of the day i don't think the libyans are really interested in handing him over to the i.c.c. let's talk about what's happening in the country at the moment latest reports say that the u.s. and a number of western countries have released about twenty billion dollars from gadhafi as accounts and handed the money to the n t c is this an invitation to corruption or do you think that money really will be well spent well in the first instance you know the idea that this is his money i think it's a misnomer this money is a libyan money it's t