for the libyan state and libyan people. >> well, you don't go from a monarchy to a dictatorship to ademocracy overnight. the libyans have no tradition of democracy. they have never had a proper election, neither under the king or under gaddafi. all of this is new. you have a very weak central government. this is a revolution of youth. they are all young people out there. the government is really made up of old men. some of them are academics and business people. some are lawyers and things like that. many of them have been in exile. the prime minister was a professor of engineering at michigan state university. the boys who picked up guns, they don't want to lay their guns down, and that is partly because the central sources stably, and they say why should we. they have never had this their whole lives. that is what they learn how to do. you have the sense of chaos. there were also people who were gaddafi loyalists. different militia groups in different times. they sometimes fight each other. all of these things are the negative side. on the other hand, there is very good voter regis

you know i talked to libyans i mean with libyan americans every day and there is among the libyans. there there is there's no question that talk about the need to go and but so so again you know i so looking at it that way i mean i think assad needs to go to jail but but i think it b.c. he said going with the hands of syria. syria and lisa to cure that problem but where he is slaughtering people i think the world has an obligation to protect vulnerable populations just like in srebrenica or just like in rwanda or just like it in darfur i think the world has an obligation now for the rest of us are nervous and i'm glad they are because of mission like i said but fear of mission should not allow us to stand by while innocent people up in the slaughter and they are well i think people are nervous too that the u.s. is going to get itself in tango and yet another military conflict which is also the last thing at this country needs that clearly it's something that. it is progressing i believe that i would think the scituate and everyone has their eyes on syria thank you so much for joinin

and trouble in tripoli armed militia men take over libya libyan capital international airport and ground all flights demanding the release of one of their leaders. one pm in moscow this is r t coming to you live from the sanaa it with our top story the opposition's free syrian army says it's no longer committed to the u.n. backed peace plan instead it wants foreign states to impose a no fly zone to help oust president also that that's as voices grow in some arab and western nations for armed action after the civilian slaughter in houla but it's more it's a notion of reports recent incursions dangerous precedents. ten days after the terrible massacre in the syrian city of who're the world is still watching to see how this tipping point will shape the crisis while there is still at least some hope of a peaceful solution many analysts believe those hopes are fading fast the american british and french push for military intervention in syria is absolutely enormous we've seen hague of course william hague the british foreign secretary calling for intervention we've seen the new french preside

plus trouble in tripoli armed militiamen takeover in the libyan capital international airport storming in with heavy machine guns and armored vehicles clashes are now reportedly taking place as the group demands the release of one of its leader. but more news at the top of the hour now you can join peter the valen his gas for another debate in crossed. the four. little. and if you. want to. follow in welcome to cross talk i'm peter revolt after a decade of wars and an ongoing global financial crisis particularly in the euro.

to a democracy you basically just off their heads get rid of gadhafi and then just hope that the libyan people will be able to forge a new future for themselves that hasn't happened is now started to disintegrate into a basically city states there's been a vacuum there the libyan national council which is effectively was cherry picked by the west isn't necessary isn't seen to be representative of the libyan people and i think the big problem here is that western intervention in libya basically meant that the libyan people weren't able to force that struggle to engage in a battle of ideas between themselves about how they want to govern the country and for all of the kind of the well meaning is no intervention in the unsellable of the . jump in go ahead this is cross talk go ahead john no i'm saying there is no intervention there is no intervention going on the international you're saying it's no longer intervene in syria you know there is a lot of progress nobody wants to intervene in syria no i still there i don't know it's all of our thoughts. they're talking about because there are v

sure well let me just give you a quick background on the libyan program libya joined the chemical weapons convention in two thousand and three as you may well know after they abandoned their nuclear program and the libyans were very cooperative they showed the o.p.c. w. the organization for the prohibition of chemical weapons the people that run the chemical weapons convention the un they demonstrated to them all the chemical weapons they had and where they were and frankly the chemical weapons at the libyans had were in very poor quality they only had what were called nerve agents which are the crudest types they're very dangerous but they're crude in terms of their sophistication of building and so they had all been declared and they were in about a half a dozen leaky canisters at one central location so what happened was they got politicized a little bit people are saying well what if chemical weapons were used when the experts knew actually that that was not a possibility the difference is that with syria they have a much much larger stockpile syria is not a part of the chemical weapo

of being slow to highlight human rights abuses by rebel factions in the libyan war and underestimating the violent nature of the syrian uprising as it began their view also stated that the channel failed to provide international reaction to the events or focus on other countries like saudi arabia and bahrain t.j. walker from a media training organization says the b.b.c. is losing its status as a leading broadcaster. there is a bias always baber of the bigger story a true revolution is always going to be more exciting it's going to be a bigger story and that's what reporters want to be a part of doesn't mean it was good journalistic decision but that is that is reality when it comes to major networks the bigger problem for the b.b.c. is there are just so much competition it's easy to be the gold standard when you really have no competition and that was the case for so many decades around the world these days you have more and more networks you have more and more bloggers citizen journalist web sites and there's a lot of good stuff out there and every level of professional level at the c

libyan officials deny claims of the country's was abused after being extradited to tripoli but. was escorted from to near zero on sunday and is the first high ranking official to be returned home to face trial to news u.s. president was against the extradition stating that libya's new regime offered no guarantees of a fair hearing. he was the last prime minister of moammar gadhafi and is facing charges of crimes against the libyan people the extradition comes as international observers cast doubt on whether khadafi son saif al islam can receive a fair trial in libya. at least twenty four people in thirteen different countries have been arrested in a u.s. led investigation targeting online financial fraud the operation track those buying and selling personal data online but doing so through an f.b.i. run for the two year sting. was the largest crackdown against criminals who specialize in stealing and trafficking credit card information on the internet official say the investigations protected more than four hundred thousand possible victims and prevented around two hundred five

or relatively isolated on this barbara think the international community is more the loss of the libyan adventure recognizing that these crocodile tears are being shed about civilian deaths in syria are basically a cultural scene change. international community does not want that the happen basically because of the steadfastness of moscow and beijing and iran. and i think it's very important for the iranians to be represented in this upcoming meeting or real party in interest and it would be contrary to international peace and security continued to be excluded from such of course. well you're watching our team in just a few minutes i had an inconvenient truth they are the sour we report on how b.b.c. journalist twisted the facts in their pursuit of a bigger story while covering revolutions in the arab world. plus an israeli citizen fighting extradition to his country of birth where he's wanted for alleged war crimes experts say the case could open a pandora's box find out why in just a few minutes. and it takes for between russia and the u.s. has been instigated by an american senate co

hearing he was the last prime minister of war khadafi and is facing charges of crimes against the libyan people the extradition comes as international observers cast doubt on whether gadhafi son saif al islam can receive a fair trial in libya. at least twenty four people in thirteen different countries have been arrested in a u.s. led investigation targeting online financial fraud operation tracked those buying and selling personal data online through an f.b.i. wrong form the two year or sting was the largest crackdown against criminals who specialize in stealing and trafficking credit card information on the internet officials say the investigation is protected more than four hundred thousand potential victims and prevented around two hundred five million dollars worth of fraud. to rot is urging the view to reconsider and the iranian oil embargo which is set to take effect on the first of july the country's foreign minister urged europe to avoid actions that may jeopardize its future fuel supplies the e.u. says more pressure could be applied if to ron continues to ignore demands to limi

and trouble in tripoli armed militia men take over libya in the libyan capital international airport ground all flights demanding the release of one of their beaters. next the story of a modern day outlaw and a one man crusade to protect america's notoriously violent border with mexico. we had to earn it i mean we have to earn it every single day of our lives we have to get up every morning we have to go to work and you know we have to pay our bills and we have to do it and that's just the american dream and if you want the american dream you have to go by the last life figure boken like the great granddaughters when they were going to go yes mike well we're all the immigrant we're all immigrants as well that we all came from somewhere else and there's a tolerance level where there's only so much to the united states can accept without severe economic consequence i'm not afraid and never have been i'm not writing that flag has been up here for your honor and i will stand by that flag up there believe me thirty five feet from the mexican border and the most treacherous part of our.

or relatively isolated on his better i think the international community is more the lust of the libyan adventure recognizing that these crocodile tears that are being shared about civilian deaths in syria are basically a cover for xen shames a lot of libya international community does not what the happened basically because of the steadfastness of moscow and beijing and iran too i might add i think it's very important for the iranians to be represented in this upcoming meeting or a real party in interest and it would be contrary to international peace and security if they continue to be excluded from certain core who gather. radical islamists are reportedly becoming more active in syria and other arab countries and the head of britain's m i five says the trad is a direct result of the arab spring which the u.s. and its allies support of peace activists dr franklin lamb says nato policies are in fact provoking and stimulating al qaida. now but my point is why be even exist. you know to for dignity and to overthrow some dictators but when you've got a valparaiso and like nato slaughterin

libya is splintering into a city state and there's no great emergence of democracy or you know the libyan people are not being. the actions of obama cameron and then french president. libya has been made into a mess by western intervention i think it's very important to remember that when talking about syria in this situation now last year the un security when the u.n. security council making its decision russia did abstain from that i think it is very important to rule out military intervention to say actually this is the worst possible scenario in terms of allowing the syrian people to decide their own fate yes the situation in syria is horrid at the moment anyone with an ounce of humanity in them would over the last week really troubled by the massacres that are taking place by the fighting that is taking place but you have to really resist that need to impose to want to try me into other countries suffering conflicts and to say we can just step in and make things better in many situations and this would be the case in syria western intervention would intensify the conflicts and would

libyan officials have denied claims but the last prime minister to. be used in jail on sunday extradited. back to libya human rights groups say he faces a very real risk of being tortured and president was against the extradition worried that libya's new regime with no guarantees. tens of thousands of people have been forced to flee their homes as wildfires raced through the american city of colorado springs they've been sparked by nearly a week of extreme temperatures and low humidity elsewhere in colorado another wildfire has destroyed over two hundred and fifty houses and killed at least one person parts of utah wyoming and montana were also wonder a red flag warning. just a moment on dimitry with the business for now the russian has always considered itself was one of the world's top military manufacturers certainly this week it's been doing its bit to reaffirm that image a state of the art tanks armored vehicles and helicopters all being showcased are proving just what they're capable of in the hope of attracting potential buyers. of i went to wa

is the libyan medical system or education system. before this war logs it's pretty much a disaster so on i think we. also you see this travel violence breaking or between the people there and i think all this interesting scenarios that are very very well respected just moments ago just moments ago you raise an issue about a tribal rival tribal factions i think a few minutes ago you were alluding to perhaps how iraq was before before the u.s. invasion there the saddam hussein was able to essentially pacify or at least to keep the violence down to a minimum between shias and sunni ultimately putting the blame now with libya with the nato intervention then what is next for libya there are some of the using the good old cliche would be the sensationalized would of civil war is that what libya is looking at now yes i think that it's more like what's going on in somalia intertribal conflict where their country see libya never really was a country before the italians came in the italians lost the british ministry this country libya's very s

trial modi was the last prime minister of war khadafi and is facing charges of crimes against the libyan people. one hundred twenty three people have been rescued from a capsized boat off this trillion territory of christmas island in the indian ocean these trailing prime minister says most of most if not all passengers have been brought to safety this comes less than one week after more than asylum seekers died when a boat turned over in the same area. least twenty four people in thirteen different countries have been arrested in the west lead investigator targeting online financial fraud the operation tracked those buying and selling personal data online through an f.b.i. run form the two year listing was the largest crackdown against criminals who specialize in stealing and trafficking credit card information on the internet official say the investigations protected more than four hundred thousand potential victims and prevented around two hundred five million dollars worth of fraud. so a lot is urging you to reconsider the radio oil embargo which is set to take effect on the first of

>> well, i really think the libyans have got a lot going for them.u say, small population, 6 million people. they're rich. they've got oil & gas. an many of them are very well educated. one of the things that i found when i was over there reporting and later researching the book was how many libyans had been educated in britain or in america. so they should be able to make a go of it. they have all of those advantages. but what happens in the years of dictatorship is qaddafi managed to convince the libyans really to be more loyal to their own family or tribe or town than to the country. for example, people of miss rattee, misurata was under siege for several months. they fought incredibly bravely there. but they really feel, they really feel that they got rid of qaddafi alone and all the other libyans were just sitting around drinking teament they really don't give credit to anybody else. and you'll find that all over. that there are all these big forces to try and split people apart. >> you were back and forth across this countryment this archipelo

they're going to have an election, my friends, of 80% of the libyan people have registered to vote. they're going to have an election on july 7th. i hope to be there to observe it. the one thing i can assure you of, the longer this conflict is protracted, the more likely it is that that happens, that foreign fighters come in and jihadists and al qaeda and others because the frustration and anger that -- and casualties that the syrian people would experience. so all i can say is -- all i ye? our staff is on its way. it is a work release program. >> thank you, senator mccain. now while we have our differences with the russians. is there anyway to convince them that it is in our interest to abandon support? >> thank you for that question. i have been puzzled too. the russians have been intelligent. he is a smart guy. but they are being, they are doing enormous damage to their image in the world. they are harming themselves dramatically. i don't pretrend to get into president putins mind. but there is a nostalgia. this is our port on the mediterranean. this is in many way to them. a tes

trouble in tripoli armed militia men take over libyan capital so international airport storming in with heavy machine guns an armored vehicle classes are now reported to be taking place as the group demands the release of one of its leaders. up next is the latest sport here on r t with paul. thank you very much lisa hello welcome to the world of sport is what we call coming up still standing russia's so representative in the french open maria sharapova place in the quarterfinals with a three step win over czech klara as a couple of. out of the rough tiger woods ends the worst three tournament run of his career with a stunning win at the memorial. riverrun moscow plays host to the latest stage of the new world cup which will say well this is an important prep tournament for russia's london twenty twelve olympic hopefuls. but let's start on the clay courts of the french open where the only remaining russian in the competition maria sharapova has booked her place in the quarterfinals although she was pushed all the way in her last sixteen tie unseeded czech klara soccer part of her becomin

but trouble in tripoli armed militia men take over libyan capital's international airport storming it with heavy machine guns and armored vehicles crosses are now reportedly taking place as a group demands the release of one of its leaders. up next we'll talk to american economist and nobel laureate eric mask him to find out what he thinks is on the horizon for the troubled world economy. i will aria it in economics it's great to have you with us sir today it's a pleasure so we'll start with greece and the latest news we know that christie's public finance is practically paralyzed three cows that pensions and salaries won't be paid in june and then you have people and companies transferring their assets out of the country how much worse can actually the cash crunch get will they even be able to get to the seventeenth of june election we don't know the answer to that since since the election is. in the near future i suspect that they they can and hobble through to the election but things could deteriorate and get even worse and in the meantime i c b the greek situation as a tragedy bec

the libyan authorities say one of the detained delegation attempts to give the son of muammar gaddafi documents pertaining to the safety of libya. he's been indicted for crimes against humanity. at least five people have been killed and 13 injured when a small plane crashed near the ukrainian capital of kiev. the plane was attempting to land during a severe storm. police in chile have used tear gas and water cannons to try to give a breakup of protests against the screening of a documentary praising the former military government of general augusto pinochet. the screening of the film in the capital also led to one of the biggest gatherings of pinochet supporters since he died in 2006. this is "bbc world news." i'm geeta guru-murthy. the headlines -- markets around the world rise sharply in response to the bailout of spain's beleaguered banks. and the former prime minister, gordon brown, faces questions about his relationship with news international, the inquiry into u.k. press standards. >> coming up in sport today in half an hour -- england kicks off the last set of matches at euro 2

you think that this could be different scenario and come to see how much russia has lived from by libyan to not know for example russia have to change. the political scene in the word by making an excellent stand in support of people who decide their future and is it democracy to decide in foreign countries to move ruler i mean this is the way the more closely should look or is it the people who should decide if it is not only talking about syria is it the will proceed to say to the british people you should move camera or is it. british people who should design why that doesn't apply to other countries is it because of the colin who got money over the other people is it because the west doesn't believe that a people are equal to western people in their right to choose their own system at this is a question i pose a democracy means the people of the country should decide their future should decide who rules them and then what did the syrian people achieve throughout the sea it was both cutting roads killing they are not losing their army and police people we are the ones who are losing i

another libya at odds with the higgs believe that the world will not see the libyan scenario in syria u.n. observers were physically heard in the country they were attacked with stones metal rods and gunfire that broke them from a rebel held town a gray civilians which he had tracked they got traveling syria became infamous why it was inducted in the un's list of shame countries named for their physical and sexual abuse of children in allentown plates we're not taking sides in this conflict the only side we're on is the side of the syrian people women men and children who are suffering in syria. by blaming we're not saving lives so let's stop this game please because it ain't a game and number of worldly days claimed syria isn't it. the world series foreign minister however said the civil war was an unrealistic description of the conflict but what it's labeled to civil war or not it is hard to deny terrorism and revenge killing kidnappings and ransom mornings and attacks on state institutions as well as the destruction of public and private property in the country and they you deny fo

over thirty people have been arrested by libyan authorities after an armed militia group overran tripoli international airport on monday the group surrounded planes and grounded all flights to manning the release of one of their commanders who had allegedly been detained but after several hours government forces regained complete control of the facility security checkpoints were set up around the city where tension over the brief standoff remains high dr omar assured from the institute arabic arab and islamic studies at x. three university says libya still struggles to maintain post revolution security. the conservation process is not complete the demobilization disarmament and the integration of ex combat is not complete. now we have a situation of the independent armed brigades that are still existed in the bia who did not join the military did not join the security forces but. lot of. the government but are still armed and still have a clear command and control structure what brought us into this crisis was the kidnapping of. the she one of the affordable called the that would be an a

what did they say they said we didn't lose an american soldier but thousands tens of thousands of libyan people lost their lives. so does that not matter here talking about libya what are the implications of so much weaponry going into syria now what happens once the conflict is over and you have all this uncontrolled arms country full of arms what happened libya i think you can say that the conflict is over unless unless we all these arms are withdrawn from the street from the people that is what should happen these are part of the conflict and in fact those who are smuggling arms and money into syria are the ones what igniting the conflict there are these foreign and external factors particularly the media war smuggling arms and smuggling money to syria is a huge part of the problem in syria but can you do something about this at this point or it's out of your control of the international community who should also do something about that because those countries who say that they support kofi annan the plan and kofi annan plan say and the first item stopping armaments and stopping viole

they're going to have an election, my friends of 80% of the libyan people have registered to vote. they're going to have an election on july 7th. i hope to be there to observe it. the one thing i can assure you of, the longer this conflict is protracted the more likely it is that that happens that foreign fighters come in and jihadists and al qaeda and others because the frustration and anger that and casualties that

to be to its own devices to take place in syria so will a portion of us while the libyan crisis is a domestic a pharisee with the situation in syria may trigger an explosion of course the whole middle east was that of your emotions that are with two outs of evolution of us the king thank you thank you very much for being with us and just a reminder that my guest on the show today was a good piano former russian foreign minister and the president of the russian international efforts the spotlight will be back with more first hand comment on what's going on in and outside russia until then stay on r.t. and take. that. i.