twenty eight members of the former libyan regime are facing trial among them abdullah senussi who was the former intelligence chief of the libyan leader moammar gadhafi as well as safe islam who was the heir apparent and also the only gadhafi son to be held in custody now the charges they are facing include murder inciting rape and kidnapping use as well as forming armed groups in violation of the normal the libyan authorities are insisting that the men will get a fair trial but human rights groups as well as many in the international community believe that this is not going to happen that the authorities are actually simply incapable of being able to do this since the capture of the men in the hague has repeatedly castigated the libyan authorities for not handing them over to face who crimes as well as crimes against humanity if the trial and when this trial goes ahead in libya it is in direct defiance of international criminal court rulings and the court can complain to the united nations security council what is interesting is that it was the libyan rebels themselves before they ca

every libyan believes that he should be tried in libya none of those. none of the crimes that he's been charged with are being committed outside libya so there's no reason whatsoever to to to try him outside libya and as the demand of all libyans why do you think this being such a battle end as to where to try him where the brattle the president is not with what we as a libyan who have had their pollution in two thousand and eleven we don't have a brother we knew we knew from day one we wanted to try all of them including see if we get that we in libya. coming up you are winds of change in iran the president rouhani seems to be steering his own into a more moderate future leasing the political prisoners and promising new nuclear weapons just ahead. on the german election campaign heats up in just three days to go before the boats for the young people feel left on the margins. looks to remain child stuff but still to come. how to anything beyond the sea really ease in its cold steel transfer it operates to behave i in fact not many western leaders are tr

things the same with us here on r t from all international news the some of the late libyan dictator colonel gadhafi who will stand trial today on charges of killings allegedly committed during the country's a twenty eleven civil war the process is taking place in tripoli as libya has defied numerous requests from the international criminal court to hand us saif al islam over to the hague the authorities insist they will ensure a fair trial but as i just policia reports many doubt that promises. twenty eight members of the formal libyan regime are facing trial among them alison you see who was the former intelligence chief of the libyan leader moammar gadhafi as well as safe islam who was the heir apparent and also the only gadhafi son to be held in custody now the charges they are facing include murder inciting rape and kidnapping as as well as forming armed groups in violation of the norm the libyan authorities are insisting that the men will get a fair trial but human rights groups as well as many in the international community believe that this is not going to happen that the aut

to try him outside libya and the demand of all the libyans why do you think this being such a bad. try him why the president the president is not we as a libyan who have had their pollution in two thousand and eleven we don't have a brother we knew we knew from day one we wanted to try all of them including see if we get there in libya and catch all the stories we're covering and much more on our website including the u.s. drone industry has been so much that there is now a shortfall in people to the unmanned planes but health is at hand as american colleges start offering degrees in drone warfare head online to learn more about this lucrative but he still through we have that's. switzerland appears to be living up to its reputation as a nation of peace as it prepares to break with centuries of tradition and put compulsory military service to a referendum we have a full story and r.t. dot com. right to see. first for you and i think that your. on our reporters will. be in the. iran has freed eleven political prisoners including the prominent human rights lawyer and i swear now they

son of ousted libyan dictator moammar gadhafi is his war crimes trial a journey into december it will still take place in libya despite requests by the international criminal court to ship him to the hague. international news and commentary around the clock this is. the civil war that devastated syria for more than two years a seemingly changed beyond recognition from the initial conflict forces and al-qaeda linked factions that once force side by side in the anti assad push now pitted against each other in violent battles and reports suggest that increasingly the more radical elements appear to be gaining ground. and i start recent incident they seize the strategic town of the turkish or the ousting the free syrian army rebels who had the store manager on wednesday and some of the most severe fighting between the two factions yet one town sits on a key rebel weapons supply route raising fears that arms could fall into the hands of. mosul coddling to extremists become a daily headache for syria's minority as well for the kurds about us to drive them out of a village out in this week o

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the son of the ousted libyan dictator moammar gadhafi has his war crimes trial adjourned until december it will still take place in libya despite requests by the international criminal court to ship him to the hague. welcome good to have you company watching r.t. with me. now the civil war that stated syria for more than two years has changed extensively from the initial conflict rebel forces and al qaeda linked factions that once fought side by side in the anti assad push and now pitted against each other in violent battles and reports suggest that increasingly the more radical elements appear to be gaining ground. well in the most recent incident they seized the strategic town of as in the turkish border free syrian army rebels jihadist stormed the area on wednesday in some of the most severe fighting between the two factions yet and the town sits on a key rebel weapons supply route raising fears that arms could fall into the hands of islamic militants assaults by al-qaeda linked extremists have become a daily concern for syria's could ish minority as well although the kurds managed t

or a libyan or u.k. panel it would be three judges in the trial and five on appeal and those judges might be canadian japanese russian. and who's to say that canadian japanese and russian judge professionals who are doing their job properly will not actually disregard politics and look at the evidence before them to see. they were sometimes accused of being political but if you look at the judges there's no reason why a danish judge or a brazilian judge should follow the politics of may to the west and yet if you look at their previous history of the r.c.c. i think there are a lot of concerns and complaints that some of the precipitate proceedings were highly politicized now i know that the gadhafi family itself once safe will islam to be transferred to you to the hague and i find that extremely ironic given the again the very politicized history about the i.c.c. has in libya to mind come all those allegations made by the i.c.c. chief prosecutor all of the by yonder used by the gadhafi troops allegations

he's a libyan all the crimes on the charges against him. committed in libya and every libyan believes that he should be tried in libya none of the none of the crimes that he's been charged with are being committed outside so there's no reason whatsoever. to try him outside libya and the demand of all the why do you think there's been such a battle then as to where to try him why the brattle brother is not we as a libyan who have had their pollution in two thousand and eleven we don't have a brother we knew we knew from day one we wanted to try all of them including see if we get there in libya you can get a unique insight into the build up to that trial and interview show worlds apart works on a boycott talks to john jones the i.c.c. appointed lawyer representing him you can see the full episode in just over to too us. you can catch more stories we're covering on much more on our website including a stone offering the shortage for america's drone program the hope is a hand this college is again offering degrees in unmanned aerial warfare an

how the syrian conflict began and i think now it's pretty clear how the libyan conflict began because amnesty international. intervention conducted a series of investigations into all those claims of atrocities you know mass rape and the use of. firing on and on protesters and the fact that protesters were on on that point of time and most of that claims turned out to be false although lacking sufficient evidence that's what amnesty international said at the time so i wonder whether that makes our two peak concept extremely dangerous because ultimately it is based on their hypothetical it's aimed at preventing a hypothetical massacre but as was demonstrated in the case of libya about that ickle was based on false evidence your government the russian the russian government did not think the risk was hypothetical. you can only debate these things you can and the result and decide these things at the time as you see them on the basis of the evidence in front of you on the basis of the behavior of the gadhafi regime the way in which it had with. the russian government along with everybody

the today i wrote a letter with senator graham to the libyan president saying, cooperate. we demand for the relationship between our countries for you to cooperate with the american authorities. we also wrote the director of the fbi to say, how come you are not pushing the libyan authorities to bring those terrorists to justice? the victims deserve it. >> if they don't cooperate, libya, having written this letter and they ignore it, what are you going to do then? >> i can tell you we are going to continue absolutely pushing this. this is a matter of bringing really the president following through on what he said bringing terrorists to justice. we have an ability, i think, to put pressure on the libyan government. we have been assisting them. obviously throughout this with aid. we can hold up their aid if they are not going to cooperate with us. that's important. we should bring them to justice. >> senator, thank you very much. >> thanks, greta. >> now to democratic senator bob casey, part of a bipartisan group of u.s. senators working on a new deal to deal with syria. he j

but couldn't we get libyans or someone who looks like libyans to carry out an almost law enforcementnatch and grab or, indeed. >> i don't want to specialize so much on covert operations in so far as what we can and can't do. we certainly can support our libyan counter parts to bring folks to justice. we should have done so a long time ago. >> is retrobugs, scott, is that a valid military goal? is that a valid, you know, decisive military action, retrobugs, punitive action? may i hit you back? >> absolutely. i think it's extremely important that whether it's a nation state or a sub national group like in benghazi that attacks our sovereign soil that we have to act decisively. and whether you want to call that punitive or you want to call it retrobution, it's something that has to happen. the president would have had everybody behind him had he acted like the leader that we want him to be rather than go to a fundraiser in las vegas the next day. all for all those who sleep for all those who sleep too hot or too cool, and struggle to sleep comfortably together, now there's a solution. t

but couldn't we get libyans or someone who looks like libyans to carry out an almost law enforcementnatch and grab or, indeed. >> i don't want to specialize so much on covert operations in so far as what we can and can't do. we certainly can support our libyan counter parts to bring folks to justice. we should have done so a long time ago. >> is retrobugs, scott, is that a valid military goal? is that a valid, you know, decisive military action, retrobugs, punitive action? may i hit you back? >> absolutely. i think it's extremely important that whether it's a nation state or a sub national group like in benghazi that attacks our sovereign soil that we have to act decisively. and whether you want to call that punitive or you want to call it retrobution, it's something that has to happen. the president would have had everybody behind him had he acted like the leader that we want him to be rather than go to a fundraiser in las vegas the next day. all for all those who sleep for all those who sleep too hot or too cool, and struggle to sleep comfortably together, now there's a solution. t

and i think the counts of atrocities not only in this conflict but also in previous conflicts the libyan conflict would be one example of that have been used to put pressure on the international community to prompt some sort of action even though for example in the libyan case many of those claims of atrocities were never substantiated my question to you is how cognizant you are that anything that you say anything that you put in your report can influence the how this war is going to develop in the future any given party may use that report to justify its own course of action with totally. conscious of the responsibility to be fair and impartial and you may or may not know that the commission is a pro bono. we're doing this free to help the international community and of course particularly the syrian people and is an honor and pleasure to do so so that's the spirit with which we come in terms of objectivity impartiality and total i mean looking but i think the matter and the methods that you are using are not cannot be described as very reliable as far as i understand you rely primarily

activity for example the operation aided the rebels and destroyed key targets here libyan rebels rest in the bed of the ousted leader's palace international intervention lasted until the gruesome death of the longtime libyan leader oh oh oh oh oh. oh. oh in addition to libya the calls for military involvement in syria have prompted fears of another ordeal like iraq but full fledged invasion lasted for nearly a decade resulted in hundreds of thousands of iraqi deaths and over four thousand american deaths well past conflicts show that military intervention is not a guarantee for peace and democracy the world has seen that when intervention adds violence remains a part of daily life as the country struggles to pick up the pieces that's perhaps why most u.s. citizens now are weary of getting involved in another conflict and washington live all are taking. the now onto some news regarding indefinite detention this week the california state senate unanimously voted thirty seven to zero to reject the federal government's indefinite detention powers prescribe by the national defense authoriz

dire very political opinion so i wonder if you still think two years down the line if you think the libyan the libyan intervention was a success because back then you had one dictator and you could apply pressure to him but this time around you have thousands of little dictators and you have absolutely no leverage with them not their human rights watch as an organization or the international community as a collective force well i mean what you're describing first of all you know under gadhafi and i was in libya under khadafi you know it was a terrible regime and while you didn't get the large scale killing of civilians into light at the end when the intervention took place that's what it was designed to stop. it didn't stop there you know its numbers in prison you had there have been other words that you know first of all you know periodically would commit large scale prison massacres i mean. the summary executions it was a it was a very still generate the executions and mass killing join to believe gaging again you're interrupting again but i can't tell you how many intervention what prom

you thought was a success and i know that many many of your reports have been quite critical of the libyan human rights record but i think the the extent of fumin rights violations in libya were very big understated because under gadhafi sure he was a dictator and people were thrown into jail but these time this time around they're you know people are thrown into jail in that thousands they have absolutely no recourse to justice people are being killed on the streets for simply you know expressing dire very political opinion so i wonder if you still think two years down the line if you think the libyan the libyan intervention was a success because back then you had one dictator and you could apply pressure to him but this time around you have thousands of little dictators and you have absolutely no leverage with them not their human rights watch as an organization nor the international community as a collective force well i mean what you're describing first of all you know under gadhafi and i was in libya under khadafi you know it was a terrible regime and while you didn't get the large sc

the intelligence chief was entrusted with the dark side of the libyan spying operation. is accused of masterminding the 1998 -- 1988 lockerbie bombing. he oversaw years of torture, murder, and oppression as head of the secret police. the two men are charged with crimes related to could doff the's four decade 00 -- could doff the's 0-- qaddafi's four decade long rule. libyan officials are anxious to show that the central government is in control and can handle the high-profile trial. they have ordered militias to transfer him to tripoli. >> a european union customs officer has been shot dead in the northern region of close of all --kosov -- kosovo. it is the first deadly attack on the eu mission since it was created. the situation does remain tense. in the u.s., starbucks is telling its customers to check their guns at the door. the coffee chain says firearms are no longer welcome, but stopped short of an outright dan. that -- out rightban -- ou tright. ban. supporters celebrated their deferral to local laws. starbucks is known to take firm political stances, but this tim

the libyan government is reportedly thwarting their arrest and blocking potential u.s.ackers. 29 suspects have been identified publicly by the fbi. in some cases security camera video placed them at the consulate that night. >> this administration continues to follow through on the commitment the president of the united states made to find those responsible for what happened a year ago. d.o.d. is working with fbi, cia, other agencies in this. >> reporter: before stepping down as fbi director robert muller explained how the fledgling libyan government blocked u.s. efforts to get the fbi to benghazi for 24 days after the attack. >> a number of holdups, one was assuring the security and the other was working with the libyans to allow us to do it. >> reporter: on the morning of september 11th, 2012, in one of his last acts as ambassador chris stevens sent a cable back to the state department expressing growing concerns about protection being provided to him and his team by the libyan security forces, noting, too, the rise of islamists in eastern libya, in some cases the ver

we keep our proposition and present this case that was awaited by the libyan people for a long time. it will be transferred to the indictment chamber to the tripoli junior court. >>> japan's prime minister visited the damaged fukushima plant. abe will deal with the issue of looking radioactive waters. half the water is treated but the other half is stored in tanks that have been leaking into the sea. >>> at least 80 people are dead in mexico after two powerful storms hit, one of which is now a hurricane. the state of guerrero on the pacific coast is one of the hardest-hit areas. david mercer is in acapulco where rescuers are battling to reach thousands of people. >> reporter: desperate for help, hundreds of people from the village have been stranded for days. many have gone without food or drinking water since severe flooding left them homeless. government provided rations are a lifeline, but people say it's not enough. >> translator: we haven't eaten since it started raining. the water took away everything. the children are sick. >> reporter: fisherman jose lopez says he was lucky t

the libyan government is supposedly thwarting their arrest and blocking their ability to get the attackers. >> this is following through to find those responsible. >> in jewel a leak the department of justice brought charges against a handful of benghazi suspects including a man who was interviewed on camera near his home in eastern libya as recent as july. >> why is it reporters are able to find but our law enforcement can't find them? >> look, we've been very clear that we will hold those people who carried out this dastardly heinous attack against our people. >> before stepping down as fbi director, robert mueller explained how the fledging libyan government blocked efforts to get the fbi to benghazi for 24 days after the attack. >> there's one showing the security and the other is working with libyans to allow us to do it. >> on the morning of september 11th 20urks 12 in one of his last acts as ambassador, stevenson sent cable back. he noted the rise of islamists in eastern libya, in some cases the very malicious the u.s. had befriended to overthrow moammar gadhafi. shortly after the u

we are now allies of libyans. we can work with them, find them, arrest them, or -- and take them which he doesn't want to do so that means they have to be try in american courts. they can't do that because they don't have enough evidence. that leaves one option, kill them. he won't do it because he has to explain why it had to be done and he can't explain what was being done that night. >> to both of you, is there a double standard? >> absolutely. four americans are dead from libya. the u.s. ambassador and real americans, heroes, nobody is dead in syria that's american and we'll go to war? this is ludicrous. the comparison is stupid. >> so do you call on the president then to be even handed if he's going to have a muscular approach, same in the other? >> we're calling on the president to say what he was doing and why certain things occurred. do you know why the ambassador was in benghazi? >> hillary clinton directed him -- >> hillary clinton, that's not the information -- >> of course not. you got false informatio

first of all, the syrian army is not the libyan army, it's certainly not the serbian army.his is a very tough, horribly abusive and blood-thirsty military, they're killers and 53 nothing to lose. and they've been lessen by the civil war, but unlike the libyan, far better equipped particularly with things like air defense and anti-tank missiles and so forth. so this is a different target. it's a different enemy. completely different circumstances. so those types of analogies, frankly, heather, aren't helpful. >> based on what you've heard so far from the the obama administration, are you clear on either the objective, the strategy or the exit plan? >> no, no, and no. we've heard nothing from the administration about how this ends. we don't know what the strategic objectives are and what the goals are. all we've been told is to -- it's done to support american credibility in the world. listen, heather, i've been in this business a long time. anytime anybody stands up and says our strategic ends are to restore honor, to maintain credibility, frankly, those aren't military obje

to justify the side that they support and demonize the side that they oppose and i think again the libyan example shows that many of the claims of atrocities that people are so sure about during the war turned out to be unsubstantiated later on what we do is we have investigators who interview witnesses and victims directly over two thousand people have been interviewed already very substantial documentation as to who did what. when things took place and through that evidence we cross check what we call corroboration and after that we synthesize our finding so as to ultimately have a list of those close to the circumstances or the list of perpetrators so i think that's a very very balanced approach bearing in mind that we also welcome the possibility of entering syria we've asked for entry but we're still waiting for a response in terms of entry and if we are able to enter with investigators that will help us much more in terms of direct access to the evidence at the local level but even today we have some access through skype to those in syria but the methodology that i highlighted earli

the libbians, the police force, the -- the libyans were just not around to help. >> that's one of the issues people don't understand in this environment. that it is the host nation's responsibility first and foremost by the vienna convention to provide adequate security for all diplomats in country. in essence it was the libyan government's responsibility to protect the official americans in benghazi. the challenge becomes per your point there is no ability to train quickly enough a loyal force in order to protect your perimeter. how does the state department my old organization work around that? we put our special agents on the perimeter looking for bad guys, looking for presphaings activities to be the -- presurveillance activities. >> some of the bad guys in this case play well have been some of the people we thought were supposed to help us. >> right. and that's just the nature of the business in this line of work you're dealing at times in hostile environments where you're dealing with foreign service national staff, that for the most part is extraordinarily loyal to the american