>> a libyan bomb expert, yes.e mentioned it was a very dark-skinned person. >> dornstein: do you remember the name of that person? >> he always said, referred to him as abu agela. >> dornstein: so the hunt is on for abu agela? >> if he's still alive. >> next time on "my brother's bomber." >> inside libya, there's no way you're gonna figure this lockerbie thing out. >> from libya... >> if there's somebody alive today that was involved in this and there's knowledge of that, we should be going after them. >> ...to berlin. >> a bomb went off in the la belle disco. >> would that surprise you, that the bomb expert in la belle is also involved in lockerbie? >> filmmaker ken dornstein closes in on a known bomb maker he suspects was involved in the death of his brother. >> go to pbs.org/frontline for more about the search for answers in the bombing of pan am flight 103. >> lockerbie's still an open case that somebody has assigned to him. >> explore an interactive guie to filmmaker ken dornstein's investigation into the att

the stability, for libyans, we took that for granted. i think everybody in the world takes it for granted. but once it's taken from you, you know, the lawlessness, basically, if something happens to you, there is nobody that you can report it to. there is no justice to be had. >> dornstein: then, later that year, the news from libya grew worse. >> we are coming on the air because we have just learned that the u.s. ambassador to libya has been killed. it happened overnight, when angry militants stormed the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya. they fired shots, set the building on fire. this is the first u.s. ambassador killed on duty in an attack since 1979. >> the u.s. is very fearful this will continue. they consider this an extremely dangerous situation. >> it's really sad to see, a country that had the opportunity to really start a whole new process. and they had the money. libya was not egypt or tunisia. libya had oil pumping every day. but then it sort of descended into this real mess. i mean, i'm telling you inside libya there's no w

remember, a week ago the libyan parties here in new york. this deal was supposed to happen in new york during the u.n. general assembly, with figures like the u.s. secretary of state john kerry present. they couldn't come up with a deal then. that's why it was extended and they have gone back to morocco, and it's likely that there'll be a ceremony taking place. the international community keen to get progress in libya, where in other parts of the middle east it's making no diplomatic protests. the international community will tell you when you speak to diplomats, there were talks under way, rel challenges, and it's worth telling you in a few hours time, an correspondent development regarding libya. the u.n. security council is expected to have before it a draft resolution on the e.u.'s plan for dealing with the african refugees and migrants that go from libya going north to europe. that is taking negotiation. we understand that a draft will be put to the vote of the security council on friday. >> james bays with the latest at u.n. headquarte

make sure that we tried to get the position to help the libyan people. and yes, the volatile security environment in libya complicated our efforts, and i absolutely -- i'll speak for myself -- i absolutely did not forget about libya after gadhafi fell. we worked closely with the interim government and offered a wide range of technical assistance, and we were very much involved in helping them provide their first parliamentary election. that was quite an accomplishment. a lot of other countries that were post-conflict did not have anything like the positive election that's libya did in july of 2012. the transitional government handed over power to a new general national congress in august. and we were doing everything that we could think of to help libya succeed. we tried to bolster the effectiveness of the government. and we worked very hard to get rid of the chemical weapons, coordinating with the transitional authorities with the u.n. and others, and by 2014, we had assisted in destroying the last of gadhafi's chemical weapons, and combating the spread

it did include a local libyan guard force around the outer perimeter. that guard force never showed up that night. and it did not normally patrol the outer perimeter. the only people that patrol the outer perimeter was the unarmed blue mountain. but she said this is the way we work in all of our missions all around the world. that the outer perimeter's responsibility of the host government. which there wasn't really a host government at the time. there was obviously a physical perimeter barrier, a wall, and then there was a robust american security presence inside the compound. i don't think five ds agents not fully equipped or armed for what they were facing you could call a robust american security presence. >> well, congressman -- >> would you have used the word robust? >> i would certainly have said that the security on that night was reliant on a militia that did not perform as had been -- >> i'm not talking about the militia on the outside. i'm talking about the robust -- >> well -- >> -- american presence on the inside. >> it was considered robus

we worked closely with the libyan people, with our allies in europe. with our neighbors in the region to make sure we tried to get position to help the libyan people. and yes, the volatile security in libya complicated the efforts. and i'll speak for myself, i absolutely did not forget about libya after moammar gadhafi fell. we worked together and offered a wide range of technical assistance. we were very much involved in helping them provide their first parliamentary election. that was quite an accomplishment. a lot of other countries that were post-conflict did not have anything like the positive elections that libya did. in july of 2012, the transitional government handed over power to a new general national congress in august. we were doing everything we could think of to help libya succeed. we tried to bolster the effectiveness of the interim government and worked very hard to get rid of the chemical weapons, worked very hard with the transitioning government in libya. and february 2014, we had assistance in destroying the last of moammar gadhafi'

when you talked to the libyan president al qaeda did it. when you talked to the egyptian prime minister we know it is not a film or protest or video, a terrorist attack? >> i was working off the information that we had which was that -- i did say that it was an al qaeda-related group. we were also -- >> look at the difference in these statements. one says it wasn't pre-planned attack. the other says from your experts in libya it was a well-planned attack. they could not be further apart. they could not be. that's what i'm having a hard time figuring out. the date of this 9/14/12. you know what else happened? another document kind of important, the same day that ben rodes drafted his talking points memo to under score that these protests are rooted in an internet video and not a broader failure of policy because we couldn't have libya, your baby, we couldn't have that

libya and syria are the two leading soceofefee her libyan policy is a failure. when you want to be commander in chief, this was her iconic moment in the sun where it was your policy, this really wins her criteria to be standing in chief -- wounds her criteria to be commander-in-chief. the first day this administration, hillary, obama and susan rice, knew that this was not a video. it cared they knew it was an organized attack. y idhat the next day to the prime minister gy four days and weeks, they went out not just to amicto e rland the u .n. and said it was a video that caused benghazi. the day after the attawh an amecaamssoras edlianovnmt sayit dil last the american government was saying a vid me california. did you ever think you would be able to trust the libyan government but n t an government? that is what those hearings show. to me it is not just about benghazi or libya, it is about character. when you allow americaad to lieo e rld about the source of an attack that killed an american ambaad, inyoare fit to be president of the u.s. speakership and the hou

we worked closely with the libyan people, with our allies in europe. with our neighbors in the region to make sure we tried to get position to help the libyan people. and yes, the volatile security in libya complicated the efforts. and i'll speak for myself, i absolutely did not forget about libya after moammar gadhafi fell. we worked together and offered a wide range of technical assistance. we were very much involved in helping them provide their first parliamentary election. that was quite an accomplishment. a lot of other countries that were post-conflict did not have anything like the positive elections that libya did. in july of 2012, the transitional government handed over power to a new general national congress in august. we were doing everything we could think of to help libya succeed. we tried to bolster the effectiveness of the interim government and worked very hard to get rid of the chemical weapons, worked very hard with the transitioning government in libya. and february 2014, we had assistance in destroying the last of moammar gadhafi'

i understand the libyan government's concern. outside training forces that that's not a third rail to inflame the radicals. that's what their concern is. there's ways to do that with private contractors who are very good at this and organized this effort in concert with them. i think it was some attempt to do that. we just didn't have the focus, in my judgment, we should have had given fact we had a moderate regime there willing to work with us and elected by its people. we let this thing get away from us. it's sad commentary. >> what do you make of the e-mails that show that hillary clinton knew it was an al qaeda related group that attacked our conflict. she said wasn't officially a conflict, killed our people and then publicly went with a narrative about a video. what do you make of that news today? >> i think it was well understood that all the attacks leading up to the faithful one on 9/11 and the daily briefings that the security is referring to. it's no surprise they conducted that attack that night. the reality of the fil

too many libyans lost their lives. too many children have been suffering. too many mothers have been suffering. according to the united nations agenci agencies, around 2.4 million libyans are in a situation of humanitarian need. for all of them, our apologies for not having been able to propose this government before, but also our joy, because there is at least a chance, and i would like to ask all these libyans to think had after opportunity for their country, and an opportunity for so many in the region, in syria, in iraq, in germany. countries where they cannot even afford the luxury of what we are doing here today, which is to propose something, to propose a list of names that can be agreed by everybody. i say can be great because it will not necessarily be agreed by everyone, and we are sure that many people will think that some of the names or maybe all the names are not good and that they could have proposed a better list. no doubt. this was not an easy task. we have been listening to many people inside and outside the dialogue, and we believe that t

it did include a local libyan guard force around the outer perimeter.hat guard force never showed up that night, and it did not normally patrol the outer perimeter. the only people that patrolled the outer perimeter was the unarmed blue mountain. she said, this is the way we work in all of our missions, all around the world, that the outer perimeter's the responsibility of the host government, which there wasn't really a host government at the time. it was obviously a physical perimeter barrier, a wall, and then there was a robust american security presence inside the compound. i don't -- i don't think five des agents not fully equipped or armed for what they were facing you could call a robust american security presence? >> well, congressman -- >> would you have used the word "robust"? >> i would certainly have said that the security on that night was reliant on a militia that did not perform as expected. >> i'm not talking about the militia on the outside. i'm talking about the robust american presence on the inside. >> i -- it was considered robust i

much of what we offered was difficult for the libyans to understand how to accept.i travelled, as you know, to libya. and met there. i stayed in close touch with libya's leaders throughout the rest of my time as secretary. both of my deputies went there. we talked with the libyan leadership frequently by phone from washington and communicated regularly as i have said with our team based in tripoli. all of this was focused on trying to help stand up a new interim government. we were making progress on demilitarization, demobilization trying to reintegrate to something resembling a security force. i think it is important to recognize. of course i was ultimately responsible for security. i took responsibility for what happened in benghazi. >> what does that mean? when mr. westmoreland asked that question you said contracting and so forth? when you say you are responsible for something what does that mean? if you are responsible what action would you have done differently? what do you own as a result of this? so far i have heard since we have been together today i have

. >>> now vens's response is nothing to do with th are target suspected people-smugglers off the libyan coast. here is our diplomatic editor james bays reporting from the u.n. >> the u.n. security council voting to endorse a european union naval operation across the coast of libya. house have died trying to make the join, and the u.k. that drooup the resolution says it will be saving lives. >> any boats stopped will be arrested and their cargo seized. >> however his libyan counterpart said it would make more people from libya. >> increasing the numbers of migrants and the number of migrants to enter libya through its practically open borders. >> reporter: the new uoperation will be limited to european waters, not as far as the plan introduced in may, that suggested they would deliver smuggler boats on the coast of libya, jaibsen united nations. >> including this. >> i'm daniel schweimler, these houses don't figure on any maps, at least not yet. >> our american story is written every day. it's not always pretty... but it's real. and we show you like no-one else can. this is our american

we talked with the libyan leadership frequently by phone. and communicated regularly as i have said with our team based in tripoli. and all of this was focused on trying to help stand up a new interim government. and we were making progress on demilitarization, demobilization, trying to reintegrate militia fighters into something resembling a security force and on securing loose weapons. i think it's important to recognize and of course i was ultimately responsible for security. i took responsibility for what happened in benghazi. >> what does that mean when you say i took responsibility. when mr. westmoreland you said what, contracting and so forth. so when you say you're responsible for something, madam secretary, what does that mean? if you're responsible, what, what action would you have done differently? what do you own as a result of this? so far i've heard since we've been together today. i've heard one dismissive thing after another. it was this group, it was that group. i wasn't served by this. i wasn't served by that. what did you

met with the libyans i saw the libyans all during this period, and it was hard because a lot of them they wanted but did not know how to get from where they were to that goal. we did an enormous amount of work. .y two deputies went to libya other officials in the state department went to libya so there was a constant, continuing effort that i lead to try to see what we could do to help. of the problems we faced is that the libyans did not really feel that they could welcome a peacekeeping mission. they could not welcome foreign troops to their soil. .hat made it really difficult it did not have to be american troops, it could have been from anywhere in the world that might have begun to secure their country. >> this e-mail says something very different. ms. clinton: i cannot speak to that. >> but this is your staff. if they had this conversation with you, why they would make it up. i want to move on. this e-mail makes me wonder about the vision for benghazi as they are asking, they are saying you asked if we still had a presence. we look at the second part of i think she"and would be

at this point what we were trying to do was work with the libyan authorities, that is what the augusth memo from deputy secretary nides refers to. we were trying to provide additional security assistance so that the libyans could do more to assist themselves. and you know it is the case that in the world we are in today there are a lot of places that are dangerous, violence goes up and goes down, part of what acting assistant secretary beth jones was referencing in this memo is this is a new -- is this a new normal. and the secretary does personally oversee the decision to order departure or shut down posts and it is important to take that ultimate responsibility very much to heart which i did. but i think that there was no recommendation to do that. and again i was following it. i was watching it. i was trying to make a very well reasoned analysis but i was also listening to the people who were both on the ground and with a lot of experience who had served in iraq, afghanistan, pakistan, yemen, other places like that and there was no recommendation. >> secretary clinton what i'm tryi

it was going to go on to the libyan coast, on to the shoreline and destroy the boats there.ven't got agreement for that, what is known as stage three of the operation. that is not authorized at this stage. >> and james of course this comes just after the unity government was announced in libya. it's obviously connected? >> reporter: it's connected in the sense that every country here when they made their speech said they hoped the unity government could start governing. already there are people sniping at this government body that is supposed to run libya. obviously the european union countries are hoping if that body takes control, it may lead to authorizing stage 3 of that operation, going on to the libyan shore. but worth me pointing out one final thing, julie, when the libyan ambassador spoke, he welcomed the vote, and welcomed the new resolution, but he said he actually felt this resolution which would mean the e.u. patrolling the waters off of libya, would mean more migrants would try to make the journey. >> james thank you. >>> the international organization for migra

we were working on providing transition assistance to the libyans. i met with the libyans. i telephoned with the libyans. i saw the libyans all during this period and it was hard because a lot of them knew what they wanted but they didn't know how to get from where they were to that goal. we did an enormous amount of work. my two deputies, tom and bill went to libya. other officials in the state department went to libya. there was a constant continuing effort that i led to try to see what we could do to help. now, one of the problems we face is that the libyans did not really feel that they could welcome a peacekeeping mission. they couldn't welcome foreign troops to their soil. that made it really difficult. it could have been troops from anywhere in the world under a u.n. mandate that might have helped them begin to secure their country. mrs. roby: secretary clinton, i may, i hear what you're saying. but this email -- secretary clinton: i can't speak to that. can i tell you what i was doing. mrs. roby: this is your staff. if they had this conversation with you why they wo

what i found with the libyans was a willingness but not capacity. you know in tunisia as i told you they had capacity but i had to call and tell them we had to get that capacity out there because they are still trying to figure out how to be a state without being a security state. with cairo we had to call and tell the egyptians get your people out there so with libya it was different. the libyans were very responsive , very willing but no levers to pull in but we have been trying to do and we need your help to help us pay for what we are trying to do, we are trying to help them build a decent security force to try to reign in the militias as best they can. this was a constant conversation. >> report attacking benghazi benghazi what have you done specifically to help them build their security capacity? >> is theirs along with and i'd be happy to provide that to you because it is filled with training, with equipment, with the kind of planning that they have not done before and i'm happy to send you the details on that senator. >> senator casey. >> ad

i met with the libyans. i telephoned with the libyans. i saw the libyans all during this period. and it was hard because a lot of them knew what they wanted, but they didn't know how to get from where they were to that goal. and we did an enormous amount of work. my two deputies, tom nides and bill burns went to libya. other officials in the state department went to libya. so there was a constant continuing effort that i led to try to see what we could do to help. now, one of the problems we faced is that the libyans did not really feel that they could welcome a peacekeeping mission. they couldn't welcome foreign troops to their soil. that made it really difficult. and it didn't have to be american twooproops. it could have been troops from anywhere in the world under a u.n. mandate that might have helped them begin to secure their country. >> secretary, if i may, i hear what you're saying, but this e-mail says something very, very different. >> you know, i can't speak to that. i can just tell you what i was doing and i was doing a lot. >> sure, but this was your staff. >> what w

plans to target people smugglers off the libyan coast. here is the diplomatic editor james bays reporting from the u.n. >>> the u.n. security council voting to endorse a european union naval operation off the coast of libya. thousands of people have died making the journey. now the e.u. will patrol the high seas and intercept and later destroy the boats. the u.k., which drew up the resolution says it will change lives. >> any smuggler stops will be arrested and boats seized. we must not allow callous people smugglers to profit from other's despair. the libyan counter part said he believed it would lead to more people making the journey from libya to europe. >> libya believes that the migrants knowing about the removal or reduction of dangers they face drowning at sea increases the number of migrants, and the numbers entering through open borders. >> the new e.u. operation will be limited to international waters. it doesn't go as far as the original european plan proposed in may. that suggested that they'd operate on the libyan coast, dest

i met with the libyans, i telephoned with the libyans, i saw the libyans all during this period, and it was hard because a lot of them knew what they wanted, but they didn't know how to get from where they were to that goal. and we did an enormous amount of work. my two deputies, tom nides and bill burns, went to libya. other officials in the state department went to libya. so there was a continuing effort that i led to try to see what we could do to help. now, one of the problems we faced is that the libyans did not really feel that they could welcome a peacekeeping mission. they couldn't welcome foreign troops to their, to their soil. that made it really difficult, and it didn't have to be american troops, it could have been troops from anywhere in the world under a u.n. mandate that might have helped them begin to secure their country. >> secretary clinton, if i may, i hear what you're saying, but this e-mail says something very, very -- >> well, you know, i can't speak to that. i can just tell you what i was doing. >> sure. but this is your staff. and i -- >> what -- >> if they h

i telephoned with the libyans. i saw the libyans all during this period. and it was hard. because a lot of them knew what they wanted, but they didn't know how to get from where they were to that goal. and we did an enormous amount of work. my two deputies went to libya. other officials in the state department went to libya. so there was a constant, continuing effort that i led to try to see what we could do to help. one of the problems we faced is that the libyans did not really feel that welcome a peace-keeping mission. they couldn't welcome foreign troops to their soil. that made it really difficult. and it didn't have to be american troops. it could have been troops from anywhere in the world under a u.n. mandate that might have helped them begin to secure their country. >> secretary clinton, i hear what you're saying, but this e-mail says something very different i can't speak to that. i can just tell you what i was doing, and i was doing a lot. >> this was your staff. if they had this conversation with you, why would they make it up? but i want to move on. but this e

i met with the libyans. i telephoned with the libyans. i saw the libyans all during this period.was hard because a lot of them knew what they wanted but they didn't know how to get where they were to that goal. we did an enormous amount of work. my two deputies, tom nides and bill burns, went to libya. others in the state department went to libya. there was a constant, continuing effort that i led to try to see what we could do to help. now, one of the problems we faced is that the libyans did not really feel they could welcome a peacekeeping mission. they couldn't welcome foreign troops to their soil. that made it very difficult. >> secretary -- >> it didn't have to be american troops. it could have been troops from anywhere in the world under a u.n. mandate that would help them secure -- >> secretary clinton, if i may, i hear what you're saying, but this e-mail says something very, very -- zoou >> you know, i can't speak to that. i can just tell you what i was doing. and i was doing a lot. >> this is your staff. >> who -- >> if they had this conversation with you, why they woul

i said i sent both of my deputies out to libya to meet with the libyans.ou know we can do all the planning we want in washington but it's very important to ask if libyans what they want and expect from us and so we had an ongoing dialog that lasted over many months. >> yes, ma'am i agree with that. we will get a chance to talk about that in a bit. i yield back. >> gentleman yields back. >> let's do this and take a quick break and come back and we will talk about it. this is al jazeera america. congresswoman tammy is questioning former secretary clinton now and let's bring it back to the studio and talk to david shoe sterand karen greenburg. david, what are we learning, how many hours now, what are we learning? >> 4 1/2, five hours and a couple of things to clinton's point and stevens and despite the dangers that the committee under scores and requests for security ambassador stevens hells himself advocateed the united states keep the mission open. >> he wanted be there. >> he felt they should stay and under mines the idea that clinton was "going rogue" by

the libyan attack undercut his efforts. that's why no security was given to benghazi because it would undercut the idea that al qaeda was decimated. susan rice chose to mislead the public, she didn't balance out the evidence and hillary clinton knew she was lying. you cannot conclude this investigation until you bring susan rice before the congress and ask her to explain why she said there was no evidence of a terrorist attack, this was a protest caused by video when the secretary of state told the libyans and egyptians three days before something completely different. bill: maybe she is next. trey gowdy says it's not over. you were active on twitter throwing a lot of support toward trey gowdy. democrats strongly disagree. >> he did great. he found emails no one else found. the arb was a joke. they never interviewed secretary clinton. this is the definitive work on benghazi? you never saw chris stevens emails. there is an email from jim jordan as a joke saying i should contact the qataris and ask for security because no one

i telephoned with the libyans. i saw the libyans all during this period. and it was hard. because a lot of them knew what they wanted, but they didn't know how to get from where they were to that goal. and we did an enormous amount of work. my two deputies went to libya. other officials in the state department went to libya. so there was a constant, continuing effort that i led to try to see what we could do to help. one of the problems we faced is that the libyans did not really feel that welcome a peace-keeping mission. they couldn't welcome foreign troops to their soil. that made it really difficult. and it didn't have to be american troops. it could have been troops from anywhere in the world under a u.n. mandate that might have helped them begin to secure their country. >> secretary clinton, i hear what you're saying, but this e-mail says something very different i can't speak to that. i can just tell you what i was doing, and i was doing a lot. >> this was your staff. if they had this conversation with you, why would they make it up? but i want to move on. but this e

there was no confusion with the libyan president and egyptian prime minister. you said "we know that the attack in libya had nothing to do with it film. it was a planned attack, not a protest." hillary, besides noting us the truth and not being honest with the families of four dead americans, you pivot and talk about how the questions of grave disservice to the people of the department and the intelligence community? how does that answer the question? we know why you didn't do the sunday morning talk shows and we know why you didn't want people to see your e-mails. you allowed the proliferation of this false narrative as you watch susan rice on the sunday talk shows with the video. if it was a planned protest and not a video, why did you use our money to apologize in an ad to the arab world as if they need an apology. they hate us. i want my money back. you wrote about it in your book? hillary, i shouldn't have to buy your book to get a straight answer. and number three, when asked if you answer the review tort accountable, there was no transcript of witness in

and libyan doctors labored nearly two hours to try to resuscitate him. and i mention all of this because i want not just the committee members but any viewers in the public to understand that this was the fog of war. that the diplomatic security officers and later the cia officers responded with heroism, professionalism as they had been trained to do. we thought things would be safe once they took refuge in the cia annex. and as we know even though that was a highly fortified, much more secure facility than our diplomatic compound and one that we had nothing to do with in the state department, it turned out also to be a target for the militants, which is where the two cia contractors, mr. woods and mr. doherty, died. but in looking at all of the information, the accountability review board and particularly admiral mullen who was focused on what happened, what the security personnel did that night, came out agreeing that they were heroic and they did all they could do to try to save their colleagues' lives. >> the gentleman yields back. madam secretary, i

i telephoned with the libyans. i saw the libyans all during this period. it was hard because a lot of them knew what 24e79d, but they didn't know how to get from where they were to that goal. we did an enormous amount of work. my two deputies went to libya. other officials in the state department went to libya. there was a constant continuing effort that i led to try to see what we could do to help. one of the problems we face suicide that the libyans did not really feel that they could welcome a peacekeeping mission. they couldn't welcome foreign troops to their soil. that made it really difficult, and it didn't have to be american troops. it could have been troops from anywhere in the world under a u.n. mandate that might have helped them begin to secure their country. >> secretary clinton, if i may, i hear what you are saying, but this e-mail says something very, very different. >> i can't speak to that. i can just tell you what i was doing, and i was doing a lot. >> sure. this was your staff, and i -- >> if they had this conversation with you, why they

much of what we offered was difficult for the libyans to understand how to accept. i traveled as you know to libya and met there. i stayed in close touch with libya's leaders throughout the rest of my time as secretary. both of my deputies went there. we talked with the libyan leadership frequently by phone from washington and communicator regularly as i have said with our team based in tripoli. although this was focused on trying to help stand up a new interim government and we were making progress on demilitarization, demobilization trying to rent a great militia fighters into something resembling a security force and on securing loose weapons. i think it's important to recognize and of course i was ultimately responsible for security and i took responsibility for what happened in benghazi. >> what does that mean you took responsibility? when you say you are responsible for something madam secretary but does that mean? do you are responsible what action would you have done differently? what do you own as a result of this? so far i have heard since we have been tog

libyan time the attack is finally over and libyan forces with 50 vehicles arrived to escort the measureshome in the united states the story is just beginning. >> yesterday, our u.s. diplomatic post in benghazi, libya. was attacked heavily armed militants assaulted the come pound and set fire to our buildings. >> the obama administration begins to explain the attack. >> it's in response to a video, a film that we have judged to be reprehensible. >> this was not a preplanned attack. what happened initially it was a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired in cairo as a consequence of the video. >> an account that sect clinton's own emails to her family members on the night of the attack suggests was wrong. >> >> you are looking at an email you sent to your family. here is what you said. at 11:00 that night, approximately one hour after you told the american people that the video you say to your family two officers were killed today in benghazi by al qaeda-like group. >> at today's hearing did we learn anything new about the intelligence or what happened that night 2012. kathleen he

any delay in forming the unity government will only prolong the suffering of the libyan people. the leaders of those countries also worry that a divided libya could pave the way for isil to build a stronger platform there. >>> there's increasing violence in the runnup to sunday's presidential elections in guinea. at least seven people have been killed east of the capital there. five of them were burned in their home. another two were shot. the u.n. has warned of the deteriorating situation after street fighting between supporters of rival political parties. >>> now it's being reported that a number of people have been wounded in a triple bombing in chad. details are scant on the ground but joining us is our reporter on the ground. i'm hoping you can hear me. what details do we have so far? ribes are ask is is -- led by boko haram. >> and just quickly, is this violence, i know they're pointing the finger at boko haram at the moment, is it spilling over the border from northern nigeria? >>reporter: yes. they share the border with nigeria and cam roan *. this is the second attack b

any delay forming the unity government would only prolong the suffering of the libyan people. the leaders are also worried that a advantage toker platform in north africa. a nightmare for northern europe which is helpin hoping the situn will. >> trade loins lawyers and human rights activists. they have been honored for helping build democracy after the revolution of 2011. nazanine moshiri reports. >> the nobel prize for 2015 is to be awarded to the tunisian national dialogue quartet for its decisive contribution to the building of a pleural ink democracy in tunisia in the wake of the jasmine revolution of 2011. >> in the end the nobel committee sent a powerful message on the importance of pleurallism and dialogue. while other so-called arab spring countries, tunisia's has been more peaceful. made up of four ski organizations in tunisia's civil so it. society. danger of collapsing. this was a period of social unrest and political assassinations, the quartet pushed for stability and inclusiveness and helped pull the country back from the brink of civil war. tunisia went on to pa

the deal must be backed by both parliament as well as the libyan people. >> it will not necessarily a he agreed that it will not only be agreed on by everybody. we assure that many people will think that some of the names, or maybe all of the names, are maybe not good and they could have proposed that a better list , and encouraged the libyan people that the options were not infinite, that perfection maybe possibility. >> the proposed prime minister is a member of the tripoli-based parliament. three deputy prime minister positions must be filled by representatives from the country's east, west, and south. two more ministers complete the six-member presidential council. they have spent months talking with rival governments to arrive at a compromise that both can accept. >> i think there is no better chance and no alternative to this approach as this government tries to balance a lot of different interests. i appeal again to the libyan people to get behind it and give it the best possible chance. >> the new council will be tasked with putting in end two months of violence. as well as re

and libyan doctors labored nearly two hours to try to resuscitate him. i mention all of this because i want not just the committee members but any viewers in the public to understand that this was the fog of war. that the diplomatic security officers and then later the cia officers, responded with heroism, professionalism, as they had been trained to do. we thought things would be safe once they took refuge in the cia annex. and as we know, even though that was a highly fortified, much more secure facility than our diplomatic compound, and one that we had nothing to do with in the state department, it current out also to be a target for the militants, which is where the two cia contractors, mr. woods and mr. dougherty, died. but in looking at all of the information, the accountability review board, and particularly admiral mullen, who was focused on what happened,pç what the security personnel did that night, came out agreeing that they were heroic and they did all they could do to try to save their colleagues' lives. >> thank you. >> the gentleman yield

what i found with the libyans was a willingness but not capacity. you know in tunisia as i told you they had capacity but i had to call and tell them we had to get that capacity out there because they are still trying to figure out how to be a state without being a security state. with cairo we had to call and tell the egyptians get your people out there so with libya it was different. the libyans were very responsive , very willing but no levers to pull in but we have been trying to do and we need your help to help us pay for what we are trying to do, we are trying to help them build a decent security force to try to reign in the militias as best they can. this was a constant conversation. >> report attacking benghazi benghazi what have you done specifically to help them build their security capacity? >> is theirs along with and i'd be happy to provide that to you because it is filled with training, with equipment, with the kind of planning that they have not done before and i'm happy to send you the details on that senator. >> senator casey. >> ad

joining us for more is a libyan journalists, joins us via skype from morocco.ou for your time. morocco, of course, where those peace talks were held. i know you are often in contact with the special envoy to libya. what was his reaction when this deal was reached? >> hello, first, thank you for having me. i have been in contact with him often, especially like we talk after the press conferences. last night i talked to him, and he asked me what i think? and i thought it wasn't so bad. but he looked very relieved. he thought that he accomplished something, especially right now at the end of his contract. he thinks that him right now leaving is not a bad thing. he's leaving and leaving a legacy behind that his successor could follow and maybe finish this proposal. >> did he accomplish anything, though? is this deal going to work? >> to celebrate, not yet. there are a lot of issues that still lie ahead, but he was very relieved. a year ago libya was in chaos and civil war. right now at least we have something. we have something called a political agreement, that ca

especially the displaced in libyan cities. most suffered very much. they support the government to start quickly. >> they are worried that proposals lead to the muslim brotherhood gaining too much power. >> this is a conspiracy and libyans know that. it is unacceptable. we'll have nothing to do with it. and we'll not support it. >> rival parties need to approve the proposed deal. and there's moan points of disagreement. we have the government's location, where the government will be located originally on the proposal. it's supposed to be located in tripoli. now controlled by the g.n.c. taking us through the tired challenge. what part would be playing after the announcements. >> if the proposals are adopted. it lp form a government. reforming the army and implementing a ceasefire. a joint statement by france, germany and the united states said any delay in forming the government. it would only prolong the suffering of the libyan people. >> leaders are worried that a divided libya could pave the way for fighters. a nightmare for neighbouring europe, whi

we worked closely with the libyan people, with our allies in europe. with our neighbors in the region to make sure we tried to get position to help the libyan people. and yes, the volatile security in libya complicated the efforts. and i'll speak for myself, i absolutely did not forget about libya after moammar gadhafi fell. we worked together and offered a wide range of technical assistance. we were very much involved in helping them provide their first parliamentary election. that was quite an accomplishment. a lot of other countries that were post-conflict did not have anything like the positive elections that libya did. in july of 2012, the transitional government handed over power to a new general national congress in august. we were doing everything we could think of to help libya succeed. we tried to bolster the effectiveness of the interim government and worked very hard to get rid of the chemical weapons, worked very hard with the transitioning government in libya. and february 2014, we had assistance in destroying the last of moammar gadhafi'

. >> most libyans disagree with the secretary of state.heb ahead, a look at libya three years after this attack.

a perfectly legitimate hearing would have been on libyan policy. roskam is one of the few republicans that started off well, it did not end up great. but that's not what this hearing is all about. the libyan policy wasa disaster, but you cannot say hillary clinton was responsible for what happened on the semptember 11, 2012. that's not the responsibly of secretary of state. they made it worse. jim jordan was foaming at the mouth, his hatred was so great for her. and that poor fellow from kansas by got slammed the dunk andrew mitchell on television last week and had to watch it again. it was a bad hand, and they played it poorly. mark: one other big subplot was the one democrats on the committee played in helping hillary clinton at every turn. let's look at an exchange between the chairman, trey gowdy, and the ranking democrat from maryland, elijah cummings. >> would the chairman yield? >> i would be happy to, but you need to make sure the record-- >> and that's exactly what i want to do. >> then go ahead. >> i move that we put into the record the e

>> unfortunately as libyans are telling me and society people say no.gh focus in libya on helping the crvilians to form a government. they are forcing them to accept militia. >> and as you mentioned, what that gaddafi had? it is great to have you as always. thank you. >> a desperate struggle for survival after an intruder breaks in on two sleeping sisters and how they escaped >> nearly halfful illegal immigrants are using the border and how they are and why it is a challenge to change it. attention americans eligible for medicare. changes to medicare plans could significantly impact your healthcare costs. are you getting all the benefits you're entitled to? call healthmarkets and we'll help you find the right medicare plan. hi, i'm doctor martin gizzi. it's a new medicare year. that means more changes ... and more confusion. my advice? don't go it alone. you can get smart, unbiased help finding the right coverage for you. call healthmarkets today. we search thousands of medicare plans from leading insurance companies. plans that may... cost less... cove

i'll say this for the libyan people -- >> american citizens did lose their lives in benghazi. >> i'll get to that. unless you believe that the united states should not send diplomats to any place that is dangerous, then-day not, then when we send them forth there's always the potential for danger and risk. >> of course she never did get back to that question that anderson cooper asked. clinton will be questioned about her private email server next week. the fbi is investigating. and according to the "new york times," agents are reporthood i angry with president obama over trying to clear his former secretary of state of wrongdoing before they reached any conclusions. >> i don't think it posed a national security problem. i think it was a mistake that she's acknowledged. i can tell you this is not a situation in which america's national security was endangered. >> on top of all that, hillary may be finding out soon whether joe biden is going to challenge her or not. the vice president is reportedly going to make his final decision on a run within the coming days so let's bring in chief

and libyan doctors labored nearly two hours to try to resuscitate him. and i mention all of this because i want not just the committee members but any viewers in the public to understand that this was the fog of war. that the diplomatic security officers and later the cia officers responded with heroism, professionalism as they had been trained to do. we thought things would be safe once they took refuge in the cia annex. and as we know even though that was a highly fortified, much more secure facility than our diplomatic compound and one that we had nothing to do with in the state department, it turned out also to be a target for the militants, which is where the two cia contractors, mr. woods and mr. doherty, died. but in looking at all of the information, the accountability review board and particularly admiral mullen who was focused on what happened, what the security personnel did that night, came out agreeing that they were heroic and they did all they could do to try to save their colleagues' lives. >> the gentleman yields back. madam secretary, i