behind dungeon cells and they were in rusted metal beds and doctor are liceman, i mean, judge liceman toldze at the time it make you wonder whose crazy are we crazy or is the system crazy that this is existing? afterwards airs on booktv every saturday. at 10 p.m., and sunday at 9 p.m. eastern. you can watch all previous afterwards programs on our website, booktv.org. >> what we saw in the trump campaign was this long-standing tension between, you know, kind of conflicts within a economist economy between big and little guy and so on so as a candidate trump got mileage after taking the smaller folks and that might be workers who lost jobs or to might be companies that are, you know, on the smaller side and can't compete with these big global interests. as president we see a little bit of a shift in that to somewhat more traditional conservative physicians which are quite in favor of global trade and the exploit bank and these things so i think it is a great example it is also an example of something that to be honest once throughout business history had is profound conflict between business