professor lichter, thank you for joining us onso thank all againo gin with a vignette so in a 1993 interview with playboy magazine, the playwright, rights activist and aids coalition to unleash power act up co-founder larry krer expressed admiration for ryan white. the person most associate with aids is ryan white, the indiana boy who died of aids 1990. the interviewer, playboy, told kramer before asking where ryan on kramer's list aids leaders, heroes and villains. i think little ryan white probably did more to change the face of this illness and to move people than anyone. kramer replied, people respond to courage. ryan was courageous, confronting the issue and saying in your face, here i am, here aids is. i am the face of aids. but earlier that year in 1993, when kramer appeared on a panel with ryan's mother, jenny white, in hartford connecticut, he, quote, said words, the effect that he was sick and tired of hearing about ryan white. she later recalled larry kramer's divergent responses to ryan white story reflect the complexity and the significance of the young man's life and legacy. ho