. >> also isn't there a question of whether liddy was his client, getting to that issue, because liddy did not work for creep technically. he worked for the finance committee, so he wasn't mardian's client and does that make a difference in how you approach this from an ethical standpoint? >> this is where the rule did not apply, but today it does. you know, jim could fit in there how that works in. >> let me add a layer here because i think this is a really important point. personal relationships that develop between the lawyer and the client are the things that cloud the judgment and that cause the problem. when you represent an organization, you're hired about general counsel, the ceo, whatever, and you have a personal relationship. you play golf with them, and these are the people who you believe you represent in your own heart of haerts, that's who you're thinking about. that's who john was thinking about when he represented the office of the presidency. he felt he represented richard nixon and, you know, mardian the same way. he was very close to mitchell, had a personal relation

gordon liddy and hunt responsible. when it was clear you had to involve the committee to re-elect the president. there was a hope you could stop the investigation with john mitchell, who was the head of the committee, john mitchell's deputy, jeb stewart mcgruder. could the investigation hold there? what the white house didn't want is for john mitchell to be indicted. again, you can listen to the cover-up as it evolves. these are hard to hear so we provide you with transcripts. here you can hear the president being told that e. howard hunt has disappeared. the president knows who e. howard hunt is. h.r. halderman, three days after the arrests, talks to the president about this. >> they were going after the cubans, is that right? >> no, well. >> mccord, my guess will say that he was working with the cubans who wanted to put this in for their own political reasons. but hunt disappeared or is in the process of disappearing. we can undisappear him if we want to. >> it was key for the white house to not talk to hunt because

it's not like gordon liddy coming in and saying to bob mardian, here is a dollar, represent me, so i can tell you everything. what happens when your client is an organization? how do you decide who you're representing and how to handle what you learn, who do you tell, when do you report up, when do you report out? >> let me just use bob mardian's situation. i think he handled it totally appropriately. in this situation, he had the committee to re-elect the president as his client. he told john mitchell everything he learned. john mitchell told him everyone was lying to him. he decided to walk away. bob mardian was only involved for about 30 days. it's not a question where you have somebody who cannot get other counsel. in that situation i think that when you have a powerful organization where the upper levels are refusing to cooperate, withdrawal is the appropriate mechanism. in terms of noisy or not noisy, anything there was noisy. people knew he was gone. so where is bob mardian? he's not here anymore. everyone knew that. i don't have a problem with a noisy withdrawal, of stating t

very quickly since jill brought it up, somebody, i will say somebody called up gordon liddy to try to contact richard klein on the burning tree golf course to get him out of jail. the prosecution presented evidence that bob mardian was involved in that and bob mardian denied it. here we go again. what's the reality he choose to accept? there was a false press release that was issued where james mccord, who had been a creep security officer had been arrested, and the false press release -- the press release said -- it was false. it was obviously false. it said, well, mr. mccord has many clients. creep is one client of his, but he has other clients, and we don't know anything about this. of course, not expressly, at least very, very much hinting that this watergate job was for another client, all right? those did occur before mardian was asked to be counsel. however, mardian denied doing those things. that's just what the jury concluded and with all the things mardian was accused of doing, we never know which one the jury hung their hat on, this or that. >> okay. before we lose the poin

a number of people around the president who knew something about the hunt and liddy operation decide they are going to try to get clemency, some kind of legal protection and tell their stories. mcgruder and john dean, the president's white house con sell. at this time the senate is gearing up for a very public hearings. the senate has reacted to the very good journalistic work of woodward and bernstein. karl bernstein and bob woodward in the summer and fall of 1972 kept the watergate story alive. they have been digging hard. they, in fact, brought out information about the dirty tricks operation. much of this was a product of their own investigative work. some of it was what they were being told by mark felt, the associate director of the fbi who was known as deep throat and his identity has been named, not the -- the undercover source in 2005. you have a lot going on. the senate gets into the act. and when the senate starts to investigate, a couple of things happen. first of all, john dean becomes the first insider to claim that the president was involved in the coverup. up to this

howard hunt and gordon liddy. now james mccord facing a stiff sentence handed down by the judge was the furstenberg lar to crack. he wrote a letter to the judge saying that perjury had occurred during the trial and that there was a cover-up of the parties that were really responsible. and finally and most oddly, when l. patrick gray against all the odds was nominated to be the permanent director of the fbi, at his confirmation hearing, he was completely oblivious to the fact that there had been a cover-up. and every day at his confirmation hearings, he made statement that's undercut the administration's claims about what watergate was all about. it was the combination of gray's testimony, mccord's letter which was brought about by his heavy sentence. and that's what finally got john dean and jeb mcgruder to run to the prosecutors and tell the whole truth. and that's when the whole thing came apart. of course, there were many, many more months of fights over presidential recordings to show nixon's culpability. but

and i'm sure if liddy gets electriced he'll get rid of all those rules for me. that would be just great. host: that was more tongue in cheek than anything else. from new york. our republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. -- [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2012] >> washington live airs every important morning on espan. the the yeas and nays. the first electronic vote will be conducted as a 15-minute vote resm maining electronic votes -- the remaining vote will be an electronic vote and will be conducted as a five-minute vote. this will be a 15-minute vote. the unfinished business is the vote on the motion of the gentlewoman from florida, ms. ros-lehtinen, to suspend the rules and pass h.r. 6018 as amended on which the yeas and nays are ordered. clerk will report the title. the clerk: h.r. 6018, a bill to authorize appropriations for the department of state for fiscal year 2013 and for other purposes. the speaker pro tempore: the question is, will the house suspend the rules and