lieberman together with -- this is the company that he keeps these days -- lieberman together with senator john ensign from nevada -- [laughter] disgraced senator ensign, and scott brown of massachusetts co-sponsored a bill, what they called the shield act. t not about shielding report -- it's not about shielding reporters, it would have broadened the espionage act's already overbroad provisions to outlaw communication of any human intelligence source. for example, it would have made it a crime to mention that former panama dictator noriega who had been a cia asset at the same time that he was convicted of big time drug dealing, that that mention would have been illegal under lieberman's view. whatever your view is, lieberman's attempts to completely shut down wikileaks and prosecute its staff under the espionage act doesn't commend him for, as a candidate for inclusion in the pantheon of first amendment heros. and the espionage itself, the espionage act itself is a mess. it was enacted in 1917 during world war i at the insistence of president wilson. it was the first loyalty-type law, um,

independent joe lieberman and republican lindsey graham. senators, welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> good to be with you, shannon. thank you. >> shannon: i want to start with disturbing reports in the "wall street journal" that concern iran. senator graham, this question for you. they say that iran has, "smuggled rocket projectile, that results in the american troops and have given long-range rockets to taliban in afghanistan and increasing the insurgents' ability to hit u.s. and coalition positions from a safer position." in june, 14 u.s. service members were killed in combat in iraq and officials attribute the death to militias trained by the iran revolutionary guard. senator, what do we do about iran? >> well, i think people need to understand why iran is doing this. the biggest nightmare for the ayatollah in iran is to have a democracy in iraq and afghanistan on their borders. so, yes, they are helping the taliban and trying to react to bring down the iraqi democracy and trying to undermine the efforts here. they're responsible for

. >>> three senators in afghanistan tonight john mccain and lindsey graham and joe lieberman.he senators say they're concerned the plans will undermine afghan morale and make it more difficult to beat back taliban forces. >> i know there is some concern among the afghans about the pace of the beginning of withdrawal of our surge troops. but we have tried to reassure everyone that the commitment that america has made, and the international community has made, to a free and independent afghanistan is strong and steadfast and lasting. >> senator mccain said some areas of afghanistan including kandahar, are definitely safer. >>> the news edge is everywhere at 11:00. a fire at a church sends one firefighter to the hospital and causes thousands of dollars in damage. the firefighter was hurt while batting the flames. flames were seen shooting through the roof. authorities believe it was caused by a lightning strike. >>> a fire gutted a straussberg, virginia church. happened saturday evening. parishers held services on the building's front lawn today. the outside of the building was n

and of course health care reform can only be as liberal as ben nelson and joe lieberman led it be.you only needed 51 votes, you could have cut a deal with prior or nelson or lieberman or five or six or seven other moderate senators. you have a lot more running room to move the bill in different directions depending on what they personally supported. so that is where the number 60 comes into play. even if you do get it, you're basically giving full control over senate legislation over to whoever are the most conservative for democrats or liberal for republicans members of your caucus. >> that's why you see reconciliation bills pass with 51 votes. >> exactly. >> ezra, thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >>> the governor of virginia has had a debt ceiling conversion. if the u.s. gets downgraded, his state will get downgraded too. so now he's suddenly for averting the crisis, since it will be bad politics for him in virginia. he's finally figured that out. that's in "the rewrite." >>> but up next, republicans continue to beg new jersey governor chris christie to run for pre

the hobbits aren't the tea party, the hobbits are cantor-- kantor and boehner, okay, and let's say lieberman just on appearances. and gandalf is the tea party right here, okay. you shall not pass legislation raising the debt ceiling! (cheers and applause) and then mccain is all-- ,-- the cave troll is, i don't foe but it's awesome. let's say nancy pelosi, i don't know. and oh, i also have a pinball machine over there, lord of the rings pinball machine. it's a limited edition and that is the american people. and the american people are really fun, oh, one more thing. and this, of course, is aragon's sword anduril, flame given to me about viggo mortensen. now this has nothing to do with the metaphor. i just want to remind everyone that i have this. (laughter) okay? (cheers and applause) >> stephen: all right. and of course, of course i would be-- the point is i get comparing the debt crisis to the lord of the rings. they both have elaborate plots, more characters than you can keep track of, and talking about both of them repels girls. (laughter) nation, stay sauron, stay. nation, 29 days ago c

what republicans would like is what was propoposed by lieberman and coburn, which is to index retirement age of medicare the way social security was in the greenspan commission in the early 1980's. as a result, social security is now about 66, 67, but still stuck at 65 for medi-scare. if you index eight -- >> you are right. >> you will save billions of dollars. the democrats want, and you know why? medicare is the one issue of next year. you are telling me that democrats and the president are serious about -- >> here -- >> washington is still stuck in outer partisanship. but on this one particular issue, everybody thinks about this for half a second realizes that you absolutely have to -- is notegotiable, not an argument. you have to, have to, after to raise taxes and you have to, have to, have to cut entitlements, and not just a little, a lot. if you don't do that, the entire countries standard of living is going down. >> me that the republican nor the democratic leadership will admit that -- neither the republican nor the democratic leadership will admit that puicly. >> wait a minute,

today coburn and senator joe lieberman build a medicare proposal that will help cut the deficit. president obama will hold another round of talk with senate leaders on raising the debt ceiling. both parties remain divided over taxes and entitlement cuts. i'm very pleased to have dr. tom coburn on this program. welcome. >> thank you, charlie. good to be with you. >> tell me where y think it is, this negotiation now that the president has evolved directly and not just leaving it to vice president biden. >> well, i think it all depends on whether or not we approach the very real problems that our country's facing in terms of our debt and our fiscal situation, whether or not you're approach that in a meaningful way that doesn't just pass the test of congress, it passes the test that says the people that are interested in loaning money for sovereign debt think we'vedone enough to deserve their confidence. >> you have been unilaterally said that you are opposed to some reducing some of the reductions in corporations and others get, in order and help on the revenue side, correct? >> wel

the proposal by a lieberman and coburn to index retirement and medicare at the way social security was in the greenspan commission of the early 1980's -- as a result, social security is 66, 67, but he stuck to 65 of medicare. if you index at 200, you will save billions of dollars. the democrats, however, won't, and you know why? medicare is the one issue of next year. you are telling me that democrats and the president are serious about -- >> washington is still stuck in partisanship. on this one particular issue, everybody who thinks about this for half a second realizes that you absolutely have to -- it is not negotiable, not a document -- you have to, have to, after raise taxes and you have to, have to, have to cut entitlements. i just a little, a lot. if you don't do that, the entire standard of living -- >> me that deb -- either the republican or the democratic leadership will add that publicly. >> with a minute, is easy to talk about cutting programs that is absolutely crucial of the survival of seniors in this country. why not talk about it being based upon need and ability to p

senators are in afghanistan this morning, john mccain, joe lieberman and lindsey graham, they say they're worried president obama's plan to draw down u.s. troops could help the insurgents. joel brown is in washington on that. happy fourth of july to you. >> happy independence day to you. the senators believe too many afghans see president obama's plan for a drawdown see this as a sign the u.s. is quitting on afghanistan. key senators are raising doubts about president obama's withdrawal plan for afghanistan. >> it is an unnecessary risk. >> i really do worry this may have undercut the momentum. i hope i'm wrong. >> reporter: in kabul republican senators john mccain and lindsey graham called the strategy too risky and say it could put american troops and the plan in jeopardy. the plan calls for pulling out 10,000 troops by the end of this year with another 23,000 gone by the end of next summer. >> i hope that it will work out but it is certainly deprives us of the necessary troops that we need for the second fighting season. >> the obama administration is standing by its plan saying succes

what republicans would like is what was propoposed by lieberman and coburn, which is to indndex retirement age of medicare the way social security was in the greenspan commission in the early 1980's. as a result, social security is now about 66, 67, but still stuck at 65 for medi-scare. if you index eight -- you are right. >> you will save billions of dollars. the democrats want, and you know why? medicare is the one issue of next year. you are telling me that democrats and the president are serious about -- >> here -- >> washington is still stuck in outer partisanship. but on this one particular issue, everybody thinks about this for half a second realizes that you absolutely have to -- is not negotiable, not an argument. you have to, have to, after to raise taxes and you have to, have to, have to cut entitlements, and not just a little, a lot. if you don't do that, the entire countries standard of living is going down. >> me that the republican nor the democratic leadership will admimit that -- neither the republican nor the democratic leadership will admit that puicly. >> wait a minute,

what republicans want is what was proposed by lieberman and coburn, to index medicaid and medicare to what socials credit was in t 19 -- like social security was with the greenspan commission in the early 1980's. if you in exit, you will save billions of dollars. the democrats, however, will not, and you know why? medicare is the one issue of next year. and you are telling me that democrats and the president is serious about -- >> washington is still stuck in our partisanship. on this one particular issue, everybody thinks about this for half a second realizes that you absolutely have to -- it is not negotiable, it is not an argument -- you have to get beyond it because you have to, have to, have to raise taxes and you have to, have to, have to cut entitlements. >> neither republicans nor democrat leadership will admit that publicly. >> we just a minute -- wait just a minute, it is easy to talk about cutting programs that is absolutely crucial to the survival of seniors in this country. why not talk about it being based upon need and ability to pay? the very top hedge fund managers th

what republicans want is what was proposed by lieberman and coburn, to index medicaid and medicare to what socials credit was in t 19 -- like social security was with the greenspan commission in the early 1980's. if you in exit, you will save billions of dollars. the democrats, however, will not, and you know why? medicare is the one issue of next year. and you are telling me that democrats and the president is serious about -- >> washington is still stuck in our partisanship. on this one particular issue, everybody thinks about this for half a second realizes that you absolutely have to -- it is not negotiable, it is not an argument -- you have to get beyond it because you have to, have to, have to raise taxes and you have to, have to, have to cut entitlements. >> neither republicans nor democrat leadership will admit that publicly. >> we just a minute -- wait just a minute, it is easy to talk about cutting programs that is absolutely crucial to the survival of seniors in this country. why not talk about it being based upon need and ability to pay? the very top hedge fund managers th

lieberman says that the economy only added 18,000 jobs in june and that employers added the fewest number of jobs in nine months. president obama is going to deliver a statement on this report. we plan to bring that you live coming up at 7:30 a.m.. >> the dow is off 100 points right now with that unemployment is. we will be right back as the kron 4 morning news continues. another developing story we are falling, space shuttle atlantis is getting ready to lift off. they are finishing the fuelling process right now, in just two hours we are expecting blast off if the weather coordinates. it is a 70% no go right now. we will bring you the latest from cape canaveral on the final space shuttle mission. >> live pictures as atlantis is waiting to go. you can see that crewmembers are during out in astronauts are already on board. will launch is iffy. a 70 percent chance of thunderstorms and rain. they will reassess the weather clothes to lift off. james has a look at the radar there. >> it is a dicey. if we take a quick look here, we will show you the satellite here in a second. if you look at th

. >> reporter: senators joe lieberman and lindsay graham and together on fox news sunday from kabul,fghanistan, graham taking issue with the aggressive troop withdrawal timetable. >> it is seen as an effort to withdraw rather than transition. you hope and pray this works out well. it came at a critical time. >> if we don't succeed here and the taliban comes back into power, we'll be attacked again and there could be no greater threat to our security and our freedom, the freedom that we celebrate on july 4th. >> reporter: melanie alnwick, fox 5 news. >>> as house lawmakers resume tomorrow, the "washington post" is reporting that the republican leadership has done away with bills that honor symbolic gestures including ones in the past which had declared the bald eagle an inspiring symbol. last year, the house passed more than 250 such bills. the gop says they distract from the real work of congress. >>> two local amusement parks are paying tribune another to military families this holiday. kings dominion and six flags america are offering free admission to active duty and retired milit

greens so far these raids have refused to do this the israeli foreign minister particular avigdor lieberman insisting that israel will not apologize presumably because the israelis off fearful that it will open the floodgates for a whole host of legal claims to be made against the jewish state instead israel says it will express its word great for the loss of life now for the last few days almost mown because israeli and turkish refusing to just have the meeting in new york to try and hammer out some kind of agreement that is acceptable to both sides we understand that the sticking point is over the looting of the document now no doubt both times when to reach some kind of agreement quiet to the issue in this report because it won't help in terms of the conciliation it will be much harder for every consideration to be made off to the reported. artie's policy are reporting there and now there's more on the stories we're covering and other bad others besides on our web site r t v dot com here's what's lined up for you there right now. the bizarre story of a man who dug himself out of a grave

brains so far the israelis have refused to do this the israeli foreign minister particular avigdor lieberman insisting that israel will not apologize because you must leave because the israelis off fearful that it will open the floodgates for a whole photos of legal claims to be made against the jewish state instead israel says it will express its were great for the loss of life now for the last few days almost round the clock israeli and turkish representatives have been meeting in new york to try and hammer out some kind of agreement that is acceptable to both sides we understand that the sticking point is over the wording of the document now no doubt both sides want to reach some kind of agreement prior to the u.n. issuing this report because it will help in terms of the conciliation it will be much harder for every conciliation to be made after the report is issued but we do understand at this stage is that the view is that the u.n. report says that the blockade is not illegal but it does criticize israel for excessive use of force and you need to remember that that excessive use of forc

senator lieberman. >> thanks. i would just pick up where senator mccain left off and say that listening to the opening statements the three of you made and hearing that respond to trim 11, senator mccain which i wouldn't describe as softballs i think the cumulative effect is that you are an impressive group. today i think you've shown your intelligence and your records speak with extraordinary power to a career of patriotism, bravery and leadership capacity, and you remind us how every american has to be grateful to you and everyone else and all you do every day to protect our security and freedom so i think you very much for that. general, i want to get into the decision that the president made last week about and announced about afghanistan and just ask you this question. as i understand what was announced, one way to look at it is that this year we will withdraw, this calendar year we will withdraw from afghanistan 10,000 of the 33,000 troops we surf as a result of the president's decision in december, 2009. ne

from least small cause not far from dr lieberman gas used to flow to europe. we used to produce feel to senator graham and now see they destroy it all this is terrible and ridiculous at the same time the closer you get to the front line the more you feel it you can hear the war and you can even read it on nature's leaflet drops just before the bombs arrive this runs as you can see the reason sign here in arabic but let me tell is here leave it so in fast and i'll fly zone over the country to protect civilians on the other side there is another sign also in arabic saying that they took an attack any place any time. these any time happened three times over several hours while we were filming regular is made to all parties where the frontline lies dividing the country into two parts into two swear one side is going to flick one flashpoint between the rebels and gadhafi forces it's a very important point as to to quote casey gets in a firm hand on this town would mean taking control over the country's economy all facilities seem to be a rare target that nato bombs

don't want them to see their mother in such a condition that some of the small paul not far from dr lieberman gas used to flow to europe. we used to produce fields ascended to them and you know see they destroy it all this is terrible and ridiculous at the same time the closer you get to the frontline the more you feel it you can hear the war and you can even read it on a jew's leaflets jobs just before the bombs arrive. this runs as you can see there is a sign here i am a big name taylor is here to inform and i'll fly zone over the country to protect civilians on the other side there is another sign also in arabic saying that nato can attack any place any time. any time happened three times over several hours while we were. really delivers major is where the front dividing the country into two parts into to see. is going to put one flashpoint for. these forces it's a very important step to take location getting a firm handle on this count would mean taking control over the country's economy all who seem to be a rare target the. population can hardly. they were like my family not just going t

i see senator lieberman, we are looking at the budget numbers. a lot of people have complained that our deficit is a result of our military efforts in iraq and afghanistan. looking at the numbers, that is not really so. we have spent a tremendous amount of money on those two efforts, about $1.5 billion, maybe a little less and the deficit has increased about 15 trillion during this time. and at this point, we are projected this year -- we are spending about $150 billion on the military effort this fiscal year going to 118 next fiscal year, but our deficit this year is 1500 le in. 1,500,000,000,000. so those numbers would come down to 118 billion continue to drop on the plan that we have seen and i'm hopeful that we can adhere to it. but i just want to say that while every dollar has to be managed carefully, and the reason we have a severe financial crisis in america is not because of our military effort. it may be a part of it but it is not 10% of it. and we will have to look at it. you do represent about half of the nondefense discretionary spen

gone but they certainly want to attack wilson's home problem and you can see democrats like joe lieberman like chuck schumer saying yes we're more than willing to tackle medicare medicaid we can't see these programs as they are from want to say that you have to choose them i think that's in the mainstream american in much the congress and among peoples all you know what you're right the democrats have made some serious concessions big concessions republicans which is only natural considering republicans control congress. the question here is what's to be done about subsidies and there are some republicans who think hey the subsidies there they function like tax cuts so you should treat them like taxes taken away sort of as a tax hike i don't really buy that argument i think that if republicans want a deal that's even better than the deal that it's coming together right now i think they can get it and happy with the hard ball the stick seriously the subsidies and say themselves what's more conservative what's more along is constitutional principles propping up a huge is regime of subsidies

senator lieberman. >> thanks. i would just pick up where senator mccain left off and sathat listening to the opening statements the three of you made and hearing that respond to trim 11, senator mccain which i wouldn't describe as softbals i think the cumulative effect is that you are an impressive group. today i thinkou've shown your intelligence and your records speak with extraordinary power to a career of patriotism, bravery d leadership capacity, and you remind us how every american has to be grateful to you and everyone else and all you do every day to protect our security and freedom so i think you very much for that. genera i want to get into the decision that the president made last week about and announced about afghanistan and just ask you this question. as i understand what was announced, one way to look at it is that this year we will withdraw, this calendar year we will withdraw from afghanistan 10,000 of the 33,000 troops we surf as a result of the president's decision in december, 2009. next year w

. >> you will speak with senator lieberman and lyndsey graham about afghanistan. >> reporter: it is thesident's decision he is commander and chief some of his generaltop military folks said it wasn't really among the options they presented to him he went with a more aggressive plan we have seen a lot of violence attack at the intercontinental hotel and a roadside bomb that killed 13 additional people we will talk about whether afghanistan is ready for a draw down. >> right and then so what if there really isn't any going back now. >> reporter: yeah, sounds like it nothing is set in stone obviously, things changed markettedly he is the commander and chief he could change chorus and change plans we see in iraq for example, in the midst of a draw down there have been hints we might want to ask baghdad to say hey, let us leave a few more troops we thing it is in your best interest that is iraq's call and afghanistan we are setting the time table the president could change course. >> finally before we go, 4th of july upon us you will feature an actor, a regular here for capitol 4th celebrati

. >> reporter: senators lieberman and lindsay graham appeared together on fox news sunday from kabul, afghanistan. graham taking issue with president obama's more aggressive troop withdrawal timetable. >> it has created risk. it has changed the momentum. it is seen now as an effort to withdraw rather than transition. and i hope and pray this works out well. it came at a very critical time, and we will see what the future holds. >> if we don't succeed here and the taliban comes back into power, we'll be attacked again. and there could be no greater threat to our security and our freedom, the freedom that we celebrate on july 4th. >> reporter: melanie alnwick, fox five news. >>> the former head of the international monetary fund may have a political future in france. a new poll shows nearly half of those surveyed in france believe strauss-kahn should return to political life in france. 46% said no. the rest didn't answer the question. strauss-kahn is charged with sexually assaulting a manhattan hotel housekeeper. prosecutors say her credibility may now be in question. >>> a gaza bound a

host: under lieberman and senator colbern revealed their plan yesterday. -- senator lieberman and senator kohl board repealed their plan yesterday. would you support that? guest: no, i would not. once again, let's cut medicare. it is a cut in benefits. the out of pocket even now with medicare and so securitcial sec, out of pocket costs cuts up so much of the social security check. it will be 67 under current law. how are you going to make ends meet? how are you going to pay for your health care? as i mentioned at the beginning of the program, let's try to control health-care costs overall in managed medicare savings in that environment. that is why we need to wait and deep-rootebe prudent. host: derrick joining us on the democratic line in atlanta, georgia. caller: please do not cut me off. social security is not adding one penny to the deficit. i am a baby boomer. it used to be 16 to one paying in. that is why you had a surplus borrow from social security. also, if you look at it, medicare part b is what is adding to the debt. you cannot negotiate a price. what you must look at also is t

. >> senator lieberman? >> thanks, guys. just to have the opportunity to sit and listen to you, you've been really impressive today. we're lucky to have you in the service of our country. i think students of history, you know the details of reality that he military face and yes, a confirm you. i suppose if you say something from here to the end of the hearing that i think is overthe edge. this is a very moving picture. you used it to tell a powerful story of trust. the story of his family back home, the trust of his unit and the trust that he has when he calls that someone is going to be there. it's the certainty, a different kind of certainty that those who wish us ill rgs that if they cross lines that we will respond. that they won't get away with it. it's not trust but it's a certainty that is kred il. in that regard, i was really surprised at your response to a committee in which you spoke about the threat posed to the u.s. by iran. you said, and i quote, with its nuclear activities and its surrogate activities in southe

and let's say lieberman just on appearances. and gandolph is the tea party right here.slation raising the debt ceiling! >>> all right. let's go to carter evans for a look at your money this morn. he's not going to use dolls and, you know, representations. you're going to tell us what's really happening in the nasdaq site. good morning, carter. >> i tell you that makes a lot more sense than what's going on in washington right now, sadly enough. our futures this morning on debt ceiling concerns are lower. we do have a big report to focus on today other than the debt ceiling. our first estimate on second quarter gross domestic product, economists are expecting to soo only 1.7% growth. we're also going to get a report on consumer sentiment. as you know, ali, we need to see at least 3% growth to see significant gang gains in the economy. earnings, just a handful of them today. as for what's on cnnmoney.com today, i want you to take a look at this. debt debate day shah schu. i think you said that earlier, ali. one concerning thing, though, a lot of companies right now are qui