is doing a better job at turning the schools around in the state -- >> council woman, i think -- lienelnd his -- his counterparts raise a good point which is the schools have -- it's not that they have been underperforming for years. they have been underperforming for a decade or more. and at what point are parents allowed to take things into their own hands and say this isn't working? nothing is changing -- >> at no point apparently. >> wouldn't you want to be able to take the power back and say if you aren't going to do it, we want to try to make this better for our kids -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> council woman -- >> to try to see what they could do to make the school better instead of pulling them apart. and i really -- and let me make one other point and then i'll let you talk. >> okay. >> just because you get a school -- a district -- a city -- st. george city is not going to guarantee your school's system. the legislator may not give it to you still. so what then? >> i don't believe they will deny the fifth larger city in state a school system. and it is written in the constit