you were invited by the white house to give your recommendation on female genital mute liesation, what did you tell them? >> we told that that just like they treat other sexual assaults which are gender based on women and girls, we wanted the same thing. we wanted to have public service announcements on it was about female genital mute liesition, educationing the public, we wanted, as miriam pointed out. we wanted to have law enforcement prepared to take the parents to task and have them arrested if they are caught taking their children across the border or across the atlantic to have them. >> dr bawers, angela mentioned educateing thepublic, and you are educating the medical group. 74% of mutilations ever done by doctors, it has been reported. how does that stop when doctors are doing the procedures and, by default, justify it. >> right, if they are complicit in the practice of f g.m. they are as bad as the original process, even if done with annes nettics. people justify that if anaesthetic is given, somehow it cultural practice. these laws and these rules need to be enforced. >> you