concern, many places in the world t fear of a failedtate, theris less there than our fear was lead us to lieve. t in these two cases itly is sething of real concern for policymakersnd counterterrorism officials, absolutely. >> you saithe u.s. was pushing for mo action and as we said in our setup, t u.s. is give morningoney now. ishere a debate here in the u. about doing even more? >>h, i think so. and i thini would hate to undereimate yemen's ability tobsorb foreign assistance but the foreign assistance yem gets is grossly disproportiona to the military asstance going into the country. counterterrorism tining, training for theorder guards and theoast guard. i think a big policyia, however s thatveryone knows what we want to avoi in yem, state failure, ate collapse. no one can tell you wh that looks like yemen and no one can tell yowhat it will be that will lead to state failur so am couldingp with the prescripted policy msures is difficu. >> in the meanti do we expect more raids by the government with the lp of the u.s. and the potential for retaliation, issume. >> the answer is yes, it appear

afghanistan >> the core your philosophy is you have to convince e afghan pple that they have a reason to lieveat they can live in peacwith some security and some manner of governce that procts them. >> absolely. at the end of the day, the people who jge success or ilure will be the afghan people, who will make cisions on how ty go forward, who they support. so it's critical that convince them that tir government canrotect them and ll protect them, and then me their basic eds. >> what's the metr? how do youeasure that? >> there are a numr of ways, chare. one, of courseis polling; you ask them. but therare a number of other ways, as well. people make decions that reflect theioutlook on the future, whether a farmerlants a crop, whether meone makes an investment, whether inviduals will join the vernment, whether they wilbet their future with e government, join the police, joinhe army. in fact,oin the government, cept a government position. all of thosere indicators of nfidence, when they believe that things argoing in that direction, themake very, very portant life decisions, and try to look at a

. >> that is not sething that we think woed back in january, nor do we lieve that it'll work again tay you just can't snd money that we don't have and keep doi it. >>oodruff: in the meantime, a survey today by the "busins roundtab" found the number of major compans planning layoffs in theext six months outnumber those plning to hire. >> woodruff: we get me analysis of r own now about the presidens proposals and ether more should be done to spur jobreation. it comesrom paul krugman, profesr of economics a princeton unersity and a coluist for the new rk times. he wonhe nobel prize for econics last year. anbruce bartlett. he serd as an economic adviser in the reagan administrationnd in the treasury department during the george h.w. bush administration. he's aolumnist for forbes and writes a blog on econoc issues. his late book is "the new erican economy." thank you both for being wh us. paul krugman, toou first. you've been callinon the president for some timto do more to create js. what do you think of his proposals today? >> what i've been saying basically ishow me the ney. concept ally